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Old 11-28-2006, 01:49 PM
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Well, first of all, Luke's diner was back and in working order in just a couple of episodes. (Wasn't it Caf who pointed out how everyone but Luke has things resolved so quickly? Hmmm.)
True, but the diner was crashed.


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Second, Luke didn't lose Lorelai to Chris. Chris wasn't even attempting to get Lorelai back and had accepted that Lorelai was engaged and getting married to someone else. Lorelai left Luke because he ignored her and kept her out of his life, period. Chris didn't have to lift a finger to destroy Luke's happiness. Luke did it himself.
And Lorelai helped him (Luke) to destroy his and her happiness.


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As for the April situation, one thing we should mention first. Luke wanted children. Now he has one! Isn't that marvelous. Overnight, instant child! (Wasn't that quick, Caf?) Anyway, Anna wants her daughter to live with her. (Not surprising.)
Not surprising, no. But I understand why Luke is upset; he hasn't been involved in his daughter's life that long (not his own fault; and no, this is no lash-out to Chris) and now Anna wants to take April with her and away from him.

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So, Luke has to face a custody battle, like any other father who isn't married to the mother of his child and wants the child to live with him or nearby. So, they'll duke it out. In any event, if Luke had kept Lorelai in the loop, he could have been married, with a home, and a separate bedroom for his daughter (with Rory's trundle). Or, he could have had E&R's huge gift of a house to bring to the court's attention. And, even if this wasn't enough, he'd have Lorelai by his side, holding his hand, giving her support. But, now he doesn't have any of that because of his own actions.
And Lorelai’s.


I think my use of the word ‘lost’ was wrong. But he did lose her, due to his own faults. And hers, yes.

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Noodle, just because someone is focusing on one persons part in a mess, doesn't mean that same poster cannot see the other person has part of the responsibility of that mess also. I know your post is a response to Sandlynn, but I feel myself to be in the same position time after time. I guess that's why I feel the need to respond.
I know what you mean; whenever I try to combine all the persons that have a part in a mess, my post gets messy (just like this one, lol) and I end up not posting it in the end, because I feel like I can’t get my point across. Maybe I should just post it and see what happens…
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:50 PM
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Chere44 the temptation for me to critisize Christopher and refer to him as Dopey etc. is that it's well...so tempting. Luke has a diner, a life, a career, friends, family, he helps people out, he works hard, he has opinions, views, etc. For 7 years Christopher has just walked around being Christopher. Lorelai and Rory talk him up now and then, saying what a great guy he is, but there is never anything, anything at all, seen by the viewer to support it. Nothing. He walks around with a big grin on his face, he inherits money, he acts all creeepily stalker over Lorelai, now he's morphing into "the man of the house", he's a big nothing. I can understand liking or not liking Luke, he has a character and personality to react to, but the big thing with Christopher promoters for me is what's the deal? So he's mildly good looking, that's why Lorelai should be with him? That's destiny in your book? Other then he's not ugly, what is there to admire in this man? His good deeds, hard work, parenting, charisma? Ain't seen any of that. He's a big zero that is just too tempting to add on monikers to just so he isn't completely colourless.
Well, you know there are other characters who have changed off camera too....

That being said, it's not true that Chris hasn't been doing anything but walking around being goodlooking for last several years. His wealth is relatively new, so before that he was juggling working full time and being a father to a toddler. And, when he wasn't fully responsible for Gigi, he was working full time supporting a family. That's not okay? That's somehow dishonorable?
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:50 PM
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Yeah, because we have being seen Logan so much this season. Sure breaking up RL would improve the audience

ETA: thanks for the article, Bella.
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:51 PM
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Chere44 the temptation for me to critisize Christopher and refer to him as Dopey etc. is that it's well...so tempting. Luke has a diner, a life, a career, friends, family, he helps people out, he works hard, he has opinions, views, etc. For 7 years Christopher has just walked around being Christopher. Lorelai and Rory talk him up now and then, saying what a great guy he is, but there is never anything, anything at all, seen by the viewer to support it. Nothing. He walks around with a big grin on his face, he inherits money, he acts all creeepily stalker over Lorelai, now he's morphing into "the man of the house", he's a big nothing. I can understand liking or not liking Luke, he has a character and personality to react to, but the big thing with Christopher promoters for me is what's the deal? So he's mildly good looking, that's why Lorelai should be with him? That's destiny in your book? Other then he's not ugly, what is there to admire in this man? His good deeds, hard work, parenting, charisma? Ain't seen any of that. He's a big zero that is just too tempting to add on monikers to just so he isn't completely colourless.
Well I don't agree with your opnion but you're certainly entitled to it. I just don't see why the MAIN thread has to be so damn hostile to anyone who actually likes Chris.

Yes, he's a flawed character. Part of what I like about him is that he knows he's a screw up, but he trys again and again to make things right. Sometimes he falls short. Sometimes he tries too hard, like I suspect he will tonight, but his heart is in the right place.

There's alot more to him than looks to anyone willing to see past their couple preferences.. I like his banter with Lorelai, his obvious devotion to her, the guy is funny and sweet. He may not scowl at every living person on the planet, but his character his layered and real to me.
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:52 PM
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I wonder how many angry posts I would get in response if I kept refering to Luke as Zima Fluke or Puke.
i don't have a problem with those nicknames. i don't care, call him like you want.
how many angry posts would i get if i kept refering to Chris as Dopey, Pisstopher, or 2 Minute Man? i think a lot.
and now i'm probably gonna be attacted for this, cause i'm such a bad person to call charming Chris with those nicknames.
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:54 PM
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Rory isn't good at playing the field. Why would that suddenly change if she dumped Logan, who she loves? *kicks TV Guide* Other than that, I am assuming that several of those suggestions are coming.

Thanks for the scans.
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:55 PM
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I love the "Perk up Lorelai" bit, well Chris has the money

But better still is their ideas to get the show back, "Get Chris out of the picture"

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Old 11-28-2006, 01:57 PM
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wow .. alot of people at this thread will be upset because of the last sentence in that article lol..besides that they are right, although i like that rory made more friends
Why would I care what someone that thinks Rory & Lorelai still aren't speaking to one another thinks?

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Old 11-28-2006, 01:59 PM
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Why would I care what someone that thinks Rory & Lorelai still aren't speaking to one another thinks?

Thanks, Bella.
Hee. That made me laugh harder than it should have.
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:59 PM
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Thanks for scanning those in Bella.

Maybe it's just me, but that article from tv guide confused me. It seemed like they were confusing last season and this season and mixed them together. I didn't think that Rory and Lorelai were in a rift anymore and Rory isn't living off of her grandparents anymore. If that's been going on this season, I sure missed it.
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Old 11-28-2006, 02:00 PM
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Thanks Bella, I'll add it to the first post after I've won the fight with my VCR.

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Why would I care what someone that thinks Rory & Lorelai still aren't speaking to one another thinks?
Ah, I'm not the only confused one.
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Old 11-28-2006, 02:00 PM
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Old 11-28-2006, 02:02 PM
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i don't have a problem with those nicknames. i don't care, call him like you want.
how many angry posts would i get if i kept refering to Chris as Dopey, Pisstopher, or 2 Minute Man? i think a lot.
and now i'm probably gonna be attacted for this, cause i'm such a bad person to call charming Chris with those nicknames.
well maybe you wouldn't be mad b/c they're lame and I came up with them all by myself. Not my best creative effort

It's just seeing the name calling over and over and over and over again throughout each thread gets a little grating.

I just commented on it b/c I mistakenly thought that Cappucino was complaining about Luke name calling. If that were true then the hypocrisy would be more than I could stand. my bad.
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Old 11-28-2006, 02:02 PM
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wow .. alot of people at this thread will be upset because of the last sentence in that article lol..besides that they are right, although i like that rory made more friends
I'm not upset. They always say that in TV Guide. The moment I started perusing the article I knew that was going to be one their suggestions. Rory's life must revolve around Lorelai according to TV Guide ... although I don't know how she'll hold down a real full time journalism job, play the field, and still have her life revolve around Lorelai since that means she'll have to spend all her time in Stars Hollow. Furthermore, all the good GG seasons were ones where Rory had no boyfriend. Season 1 sucked, Season 2, Season 3, Season 5, Season 6, and Season 7. Season 4 was truly the best season of GG ever because Rory had no boyfriend and ended up sleeping with a married man.
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Old 11-28-2006, 02:03 PM
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But we never found out where that money came from, for all we know it could have been his lifes savings, so $30k is not that much IMO.

I just wish DSR would have cleared up a few of the small details, like where is the ring, had the signed and contracts as to the CS yet, how much did Luke pay and had they meet int he last 6 months before last week. I would not be surprised if they had and Lorelai had gone to Luke's for weeks before Paris, and this was there first meeting since the wedding. Thus explaining why Luke is made, maybe they had been taking like before and now she got married. I know Luke can be blind sometimes but IMO he knew they were dating.
Stats say that most people actually live off credit, so having any sort of savings is considered being "rich" (term used loosely).
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