Spoilers - Gilmore Girls Spoilers and Speculation #107 ~ 'Stache and Pearls...yo - Page 5

Ciaobella · 11-28-2006, 12:20 PM

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Ciao, nobody deserves to have their daughter move away 3000 miles, but well, that doesn't prevend this from happening in real life also. Life ain't always fair ... you deal with the punches and well you fight as hard as you can to try to make the best of it. Maybe that is the lesson for Luke to get out of this ... and again I love this guy ...

Oh I agree blaab. I was referring to Sandlynn's posts implying that Luke's heartbreak was his own doing. He does not deserve to have his daughter ripped from him, just as he didn't deserve her being kept from him.

I was wondering why he has to suffer this and I realized just what you said: Luke will stop being passive (as when he confronted that bear) and fight for April. And that will give him the courage to fight for Lorelai also.

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When I read Sandlynn's posts, it seemed like the breakup was ALL Luke's fault. Did anyone else get that idea or am I the only one?

Nope, not the only one. Luke should just retreat into hibernation and give up on women and family. He's obviously not deserving of either.

peachypeep · 11-28-2006, 12:20 PM

And don't forget that Luke sucker punched Chris!! Innocent, butter-won't-melt-in-his mouth Chris. Luke deserves every bad thing that happens to him ...

Cappuccino · 11-28-2006, 12:24 PM

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I get what you're saying but from the way I read it, it seemed like all the blame was put onto Luke. He caused the break up with his own actions therefore he is the reason he will have trouble getting custody. When I read Sandlynn's posts, it seemed like the breakup was ALL Luke's fault. Did anyone else get that idea or am I the only one?

Nope not the only one here.

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I was wondering why he has to suffer this and I realized just what you said: Luke will stop being passive (as when he confronted that bear) and fight for April. And that will give him the courage to fight for Lorelai also.

Bring it on Luke !!!

lemon tart · 11-28-2006, 12:25 PM

Great post, blaab. I especially loved the parts about Rory & Logan perhaps having an easier time because of their ages. I have a feeling that's it too. Not so much baggage to cart around or insecurities and past pain to make you quite so gun shy. And about it not all being black & white. I so agree. I think too many people try to put a pure white hat on Luke and a pure black one on Chris.

Luke screwed up, the final scene from last week makes me think he's finally realizing what he lost, so maybe he won't make those same mistakes twice. Chris, not so much, in regard to Lorelai. Though I have some hope, if only for Rory's sake. But maybe that's part of the point. Luke's supposed to realize his mistakes with both Lorelai and April. While Chris's real sins of the past are to Rory, and that's where he's really supposed to learn something.

blaab · 11-28-2006, 12:30 PM

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Oh I can clearly remember postings on previous threads where some said Luke should be locked up or stuck into therapy because of his oh so violent behavior

Right there was talk about Luke being violent, true ...

But maybe after many posts that Lorelai should be locked up in a mental institution, been called Braindead, whorelai, Chris being called well many many things, never pretty though, been wished dead on multiple occasions even, I guess some posters felt the need to overexaggerate some also when it comes to Lukes well, temper ... he does have one, I think. Am not thinking he needs to be locked up, but there is a temper ... I can't deny seeing that ...

But where does the dirty and filthy come from and the part where he deserves all this?

ETA Yeah, Lemon ... sometimes I feel it's not the easiest thing to post here while trying to see things NOT in black and white. It imo often leads to people thinking if you mention flaws or mistakes from one character, to others assuming the other one must be wearing the white hat or vice versa. I am thinking that is happening right now in response to Sandlynn's post about Luke. A poster only talking about Luke, so immediately certain conclusions are made of what this person is thinking about in this case Lorelai. But I am sure Sandlynn will respond herself to this.

Ciao, yeah that was what I was saying. I did use the word punches, remembering what you said before about the bear and the courage to fight, so yes

Cappuccino · 11-28-2006, 12:32 PM

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Luke screwed up, the final scene from last week makes me think he's finally realizing what he lost, so maybe he won't make those same mistakes twice. Chris, not so much, though I have some hope, if only for Rory's sake. But maybe that's part of the point. And maybe that's part of the point as well.

Well some learn from their mistakes and others - well not

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But where does the dirty and filthy come from and the part where he deserves all this?

I think the filthy and dirty part actually comes from Emily but some including me

were calling Chris names so others gave Luke names.

Sandlynn · 11-28-2006, 12:35 PM

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I get what you're saying but from the way I read it, it seemed like all the blame was put onto Luke. He caused the break up with his own actions therefore he is the reason he will have trouble getting custody. When I read Sandlynn's posts, it seemed like the breakup was ALL Luke's fault. Did anyone else get that idea or am I the only one?

We were talking about Luke, not Lorelai. I have lots of beefs with her. (In all the posts I've written, I can't believe people here haven't seen one post where I've criticized Lorelai.) In any event, I can only deal with ripping apart one character at a time, and then I get a headache.

charmed1NM · 11-28-2006, 12:38 PM

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Well, first of all, Luke's diner was back and in working order in just a couple of episodes. (Wasn't it Caf who pointed out how everyone but Luke has things resolved so quickly? Hmmm.) Second, Luke didn't lose Lorelai to Chris. Chris wasn't even attempting to get Lorelai back and had accepted that Lorelai was engaged and getting married to someone else. Lorelai left Luke because he ignored her and kept her out of his life, period. Chris didn't have to lift a finger to destroy Luke's happiness. Luke did it himself. As for the April situation, one thing we should mention first. Luke wanted children. Now he has one! Isn't that marvelous. Overnight, instant child! (Wasn't that quick, Caf?) Anyway, Anna wants her daughter to live with her. (Not surprising.) So, Luke has to face a custody battle, like any other father who isn't married to the mother of his child and wants the child to live with him or nearby. So, they'll duke it out. In any event, if Luke had kept Lorelai in the loop, he could have been married, with a home, and a separate bedroom for his daughter (with Rory's trundle). Or, he could have had E&R's huge gift of a house to bring to the court's attention. And, even if this wasn't enough, he'd have Lorelai by his side, holding his hand, giving her support. But, now he doesn't have any of that because of his own actions.

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I'm glad I am not the only one who sees this, and doesn't blame Chris for the whole destruction of Power Couple, the blame goes to Lorelai and Luke, Chris had nothing to do with it.

lancer1993 · 11-28-2006, 12:44 PM

I just had a thought, what if Luke puts on his old blue cap as a sign to Chris, he's not going anywhere and is gonna fight for Lorelai! Maybe Chris will not even notice and it will only be seen but Lorelai?

fox24 · 11-28-2006, 12:48 PM

First of all why the hell someone criticizes Luke for the tiniest thing they have to go with his poor card when Luke isen't poor. What people were trying to say was that Luke was partially responsible for his break up with Lorelai and its not because his poor. Any way Caf the accident was not contrived Rory would have forgave Logan even if the accident didn't happen. As she told Jess "despite of all the bad I can't help it I am in love with him." I don't see how people ignore that quote. Logan did suffer Rory was a total B to him for one episode

Cappuccino · 11-28-2006, 12:49 PM

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I'm glad I am not the only one who sees this, and doesn't blame Chris for the whole destruction of Power Couple, the blame goes to Lorelai and Luke, Chris had nothing to do with it.

The break up was not his fault but the situtation in which they are right now is partly his fault. If he had played with himself for those 2 minutes and not with Lorelai the mess right now wouldn't be that big. But little Prince Charming had to fulfill his needs as well and didn't care about the outcome - as always and I can't wait to see how some will come back and bite him in the butt.

Sandlynn · 11-28-2006, 12:50 PM

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I just had a thought, what if Luke puts on his old blue cap as a sign to Chris, he's not going anywhere and is gonna fight for Lorelai! Maybe Chris will not even notice and it will only be seen but Lorelai?

Oh well, that'll show 'em!

Saranoh · 11-28-2006, 12:54 PM

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I just had a thought, what if Luke puts on his old blue cap as a sign to Chris, he's not going anywhere and is gonna fight for Lorelai! Maybe Chris will not even notice and it will only be seen but Lorelai?

If Luke “fights” for Lorelai, I’ll lose some respect for him. Lorelai is married, and Luke has no right to disrupt that.

peachypeep · 11-28-2006, 12:56 PM

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First of all why the hell someone criticizes Luke for the tiniest thing they have to go with his poor card when Luke isen't poor. What people were trying to say was that Luke was partially responsible for his break up with Lorelai and its not because his poor. Any way Caf the accident was not contrived Rory would have forgave Logan even if the accident didn't happen. As she told Jess "despite of all the bad I can't help it I am in love with him." I don't see how people ignore that quote. Logan did suffer Rory was a total B to him for one episode

Well, as iamsher was saying yesterday about plasma TV's, it's all relative. Compared to the trust fund kids, he's waaaaaay poor.

lancer1993 · 11-28-2006, 01:08 PM

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If Luke “fights” for Lorelai, I’ll lose some respect for him. Lorelai is married, and Luke has no right to disrupt that.

Well maybe fight is too strong, but maybe just as a sign to Lorelai (and us) that he's not going anywhere!

IMO it should be Lorelai that wins back Luke this time, but only after she is done with Chris.