Spoilers - Gilmore Girls Spoilers and Speculation #107 ~ 'Stache and Pearls...yo - Page 4

gjoni · 11-28-2006, 11:39 AM

Don't forget that Luke also had to wear that dorky first new hat for two episodes and date "Psycho!" coach Bennett.

Sandlynn · 11-28-2006, 11:45 AM

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Duck, Luke, duck!!

But seriously, Luke lost 'his' girl (partly because of his own faults, but it's not about that, what I'm trying to say) to his enemy (if I can call Chris that; he felt sorta threatened by him), his diner gets trashed, Anna wants to take April with her (and away from him); what else? Isn't Luke hurt enough?

Well, first of all, Luke's diner was back and in working order in just a couple of episodes. (Wasn't it Caf who pointed out how everyone but Luke has things resolved so quickly? Hmmm.) Second, Luke didn't lose Lorelai to Chris. Chris wasn't even attempting to get Lorelai back and had accepted that Lorelai was engaged and getting married to someone else. Lorelai left Luke because he ignored her and kept her out of his life, period. Chris didn't have to lift a finger to destroy Luke's happiness. Luke did it himself. As for the April situation, one thing we should mention first. Luke wanted children. Now he has one! Isn't that marvelous. Overnight, instant child! (Wasn't that quick, Caf?) Anyway, Anna wants her daughter to live with her. (Not surprising.) So, Luke has to face a custody battle, like any other father who isn't married to the mother of his child and wants the child to live with him or nearby. So, they'll duke it out. In any event, if Luke had kept Lorelai in the loop, he could have been married, with a home, and a separate bedroom for his daughter (with Rory's trundle). Or, he could have had E&R's huge gift of a house to bring to the court's attention. And, even if this wasn't enough, he'd have Lorelai by his side, holding his hand, giving her support. But, now he doesn't have any of that because of his own actions.

Ciaobella · 11-28-2006, 11:54 AM

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Well, first of all, Luke's diner was back and in working order in just a couple of episodes. (Wasn't it Caf who pointed out how everyone but Luke has things resolved so quickly? Hmmm.) Second, Luke didn't lose Lorelai to Chris. Chris wasn't even attempting to get Lorelai back and had accepted that Lorelai was engaged and getting married to someone else. Lorelai left Luke because he ignored her and kept her out of his life, period. Chris didn't have to lift a finger to destroy Luke's happiness. Luke did it himself. As for the April situation, one thing we should mention first. Luke wanted children. Now he has one! Isn't that marvelous. Overnight, instant child! (Wasn't that quick, Caf?) Anyway, Anna wants her daughter to live with her. (Not surprising.) So, Luke has to face a custody battle, like any other father who isn't married to the mother of his child and wants the child to live with him or nearby. So, they'll duke it out. In any event, if Luke had kept Lorelai in the loop, he could have been married, with a home, and a separate bedroom for his daughter (with Rory's trundle). Or, he could have had E&R's huge gift of a house to bring to the court's attention. And, even if this wasn't enough, he'd have Lorelai by his side, holding his hand, giving her support. But, now he doesn't have any of that because of his own actions.

You never answered my question: what did Luke do to deserve having his daughter moved 3000 miles away from him - after only just getting to know her because her mother kept her from him for twelve years?

blaab · 11-28-2006, 12:00 PM

Okee, some explanation is maybe needed. When I say Luke has flaws and has made some mistakes, which yeah has consequences, that doesn't mean I am disowning the guy or trashing him. I still think he is one great guy ... In a way I am only recognising he is human. Same goes for all the other characters I see on this show. Some around here might have the need to view some characters as Cartoon-figures, or well that is how I experience some posts anyway. As if I have to call someone Dopey to recognise a guy has made mistakes. As if by only calling a certain character Whorelai or braindead to show that I don't think what Lorelai is doing is the best of decisions she could have made ...

Again all these characters to me are extremely human ... and therefor all make mistakes. I am not disowning anyone. Once I see one of these characters hurting another character deliberately, when knowing from previous eps or seasons, they could have known better, without asking for some kind of forgiveness, than well, I might change my mind and will actually state someone is a foul character. But I have not seen that yet. So, while I am recognising flaws, I am again not disowning anyone. I still feel Luke and Lorelai should be together, still don't dispise Chris, I actually like the guy, I love Rory and Logan together and I am also thinking they are growing individually, I love me some Kirk

, Stache and Pearl and well the list goes on and on. All these characters trying in their own way, with their own baggage to find happiness in this world. And yeah falling on their asses while trying so ... again that happens. But I do feel that all of these characters will time after time stand up and try again, this time maybe knowing a little better how to handle things and well maybe learning some that will bring them a little closer to this feeling of happiness. Rory and Logan, the youngsters, a little less set in their ways, I believe, showing the way.

And I really am not thinking Lorelai has not before felt hurt from her actions or flaws (the relationship where she has been shown to struggle with her parents, I see as quite some consequences, same goes for E & R when it comes the their relationship with Lorelai). And it's not as if I haven't seen Lorelai devastated, sure partly as a result of her shutting up, also partly as a result of being afraid to push Luke, because of how he responded in WBB, which was also caused partly by Lorelai not being open about tequila-night with Chris ... there is a nice circle of consequences in there ...). And I am not thinking Chris and Lorelai won't get hurt after their marriage is over with. Sure, they got themselves in this mess, even though right now they are thinking and feeling this is all great, doesn't mean they won't suffer consequences ... Same goes for Rory and Logan, they both have messed up, but I am happy to say, they learned quite quickly from their mistakes and well found a way to rise above some Issues. Now the waiting is for the older characters on this show ... and yeah I do believe it's more difficult to change ways and way of dealing with things when you have believed in something for so long to be the way to go for you ...

Ciao, nobody deserves to have their daughter move away 3000 miles, but well, that doesn't prevend this from happening in real life also. Life ain't always fair ... you deal with the punches and well you fight as hard as you can to try to make the best of it. Maybe that is the lesson for Luke to get out of this ... and again I love this guy ...

lancer1993 · 11-28-2006, 12:02 PM

lorelaisgirl thanks for the thread (a little late I know) so nothing new?

Okay mack to the last few pages....

Cappuccino · 11-28-2006, 12:06 PM

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You never answered my question: what did Luke do to deserve having his daughter moved 3000 miles away from him - after only just getting to know her because her mother kept her from him for twelve years?

Ah the filthy old diner dude doesn't deserve to have his kid around him. Besides he has a bad influence anyway. All the violence and aggression in him and he has so little controll over it. Duh such a dude isn't allowed to have a kid around him

gjoni · 11-28-2006, 12:08 PM

I was afraid they'd have Luke learn that April wasn't his. I guess they've gone soft and will "only" have her possibly move thousands of miles away from him. They probably figured it was devastating enough and still good drama.

blaab · 11-28-2006, 12:08 PM

Cappu, I do wonder where you get the impression that some view Luke that way, because I haven't seen that anywhere ...

Sandlynn · 11-28-2006, 12:09 PM

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You never answered my question: what did Luke do to deserve having his daughter moved 3000 miles away from him - after only just getting to know her because her mother kept her from him for twelve years?

I never said he deserved it. S**t happens to eveyone. What I said is that he'd be in a better to position to fight Anna in court and, altogether able to bear the situation better, if he had not iced out Lorelai. Because of that, he made his situation a lot worse than it needed to be.

noodle_scooze · 11-28-2006, 12:09 PM

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Well, first of all, Luke's diner was back and in working order in just a couple of episodes. (Wasn't it Caf who pointed out how everyone but Luke has things resolved so quickly? Hmmm.) Second, Luke didn't lose Lorelai to Chris. Chris wasn't even attempting to get Lorelai back and had accepted that Lorelai was engaged and getting married to someone else. Lorelai left Luke because he ignored her and kept her out of his life, period. Chris didn't have to lift a finger to destroy Luke's happiness. Luke did it himself. As for the April situation, one thing we should mention first. Luke wanted children. Now he has one! Isn't that marvelous. Overnight, instant child! (Wasn't that quick, Caf?) Anyway, Anna wants her daughter to live with her. (Not surprising.) So, Luke has to face a custody battle, like any other father who isn't married to the mother of his child and wants the child to live with him or nearby. So, they'll duke it out. In any event, if Luke had kept Lorelai in the loop, he could have been married, with a home, and a separate bedroom for his daughter (with Rory's trundle). Or, he could have had E&R's huge gift of a house to bring to the court's attention. And, even if this wasn't enough, he'd have Lorelai by his side, holding his hand, giving her support. But, now he doesn't have any of that because of his own actions.

So Luke is the only reason that LL broke up? Lorelai doesn't get any blame...ANY??? Both Luke and Lorelai contributed to the breakup. Yes Luke shut Lorelai out but well...he was kind of wrapped up in learning to be a father to really notice. Shouldn't Lorelai have said something....anything...instead of just stare off into space with a sad look on her face. If Lorelai spoke up, maybe Luke would have gotten a clue and included her.

Luke just found out he was a father of a 13 year old girl....he doesn't get any room for adjustment? All of a sudden, Luke is supposed to know exactly what to do? Of course Luke should have told Lorelai as soon as he found out and of course he should have included April into Lorelai's life. But I do see his point of view of trying to get to know HIS daughter by himself without Lorelai for a little bit

You could also say that if Lorelai hadn't slept with Christopher a millisecond after "breaking up" with Luke, LL might have stood a chance. I seem to remember a certain flannel wearing man standing in Lorelai's front yard with a packed truck ready to elope. If Lorelai hadn't slept with Christopher, who's to say they wouldn't have eloped then? While it took a car crashing into his diner to really see how important Lorelai meant to him, well so what....he finally realized it. How is that any different than Rory realizing how much she loves Logan by him being in the hospital.

But of course Luke deserves everything he has coming towards him because he didn't know how to deal with finding out he was a father. So what's next for him? Will Liz and TJ randomly die in a car accident. Don't worry....Luke deserves it!

lilmelodie · 11-28-2006, 12:10 PM

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Great title!

Imo, Luke's finally seeing where he went wrong, he regrets it, he's blaming himself. The last scene in ep. 8 showed that. He's learning how to be a great dad, etc... Even since the first two eps of the season, he knows what he lost and that HE threw it away, that he let it get away. That's why this stuff's so heartbreaking to me. He's dealing with ruining LL and everything, then he has to see the ring, probably doubt how much she really cared at all, then Anna tries to take April away, the one thing that's keeping him together in all this. What more can they do to this guy...

Exactly. Even though he messed up, I still think that he should be allowed to be dissapointed. Screw up or not, he loves Lorelai and it hurts no matter what. I think that he is realizing some things and to see Lorelai rush off and get married to Christopher is like a knife in the gut. Like you said, it makes him doubt how much she cared in the first place.

blaab · 11-28-2006, 12:13 PM

Noodle, just because someone is focusing on one persons part in a mess, doesn't mean that same poster cannot see the other person has part of the responsibility of that mess also. I know your post is a response to Sandlynn, but I feel myself to be in the same position time after time. I guess that's why I feel the need to respond.

Cappuccino · 11-28-2006, 12:18 PM

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Cappu, I do wonder where you get the impression that some view Luke that way, because I haven't seen that anywhere ...

Oh I can clearly remember postings on previous threads where some said Luke should be locked up or stuck into therapy because of his oh so violent behavior

lancer1993 · 11-28-2006, 12:19 PM

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Love the title.

P.S. It would be even better without the numbers.

Hm, what’s with the new episode description saying that L/C told E/R already and only the Townies are left to convince now. I hope that L/C telling E/R won’t happen off screen, alla Lorelai saying to Chris “yeah we managed it to go to hell and back, the Town is going to be a walk in the park.” I want to see it when Lorelai tells Emily the news and I want to see a smad Emily Gilmore!

My spec is the scene we say in the promo the other week of E&R toasting C&L will be the teaser this week and may be all we see of E&R.

I feel so sorry for Luke and agree with others, Luke made one error but Lorelai screwed up also by not calling him on is earlier than Partings, So Luke may lose the one thing that may mean more to him than a Gilmore girl and Lorelai ends up married NOT to the man she loves.

Stupid SL!

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Lorelai left Luke because he ignored her and kept her out of his life, period.

She was just as responsible by not calling him on this! She should have, if he didn't change then leave him, not go screw Chris hours later only to find Luke was willing to change and now wanted to elope!

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And, even if this wasn't enough, he'd have Lorelai by his side, holding his hand, giving her support.

He may still get this, we don't know how long the custody will last and when L&L get back together.

noodle_scooze · 11-28-2006, 12:20 PM

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Noodle, just because someone is focusing on one persons part in a mess, doesn't mean that same poster cannot see the other person has part of the responsibility of that mess also. I know your post is a response to Sandlynn, but I feel myself to be in the same position time after time. I guess that's why I feel the need to respond.

I get what you're saying but from the way I read it, it seemed like all the blame was put onto Luke. He caused the break up with his own actions therefore he is the reason he will have trouble getting custody. When I read Sandlynn's posts, it seemed like the breakup was ALL Luke's fault. Did anyone else get that idea or am I the only one?