Well this has been debated quite frequently on this thread so I probably shouldn't even go into it.

Lorelai's problem in 5.22 was that one man had made Rory question her self so severely. She didn't like that one review had caused Rory to go into a tizzy and decide she wasn't good enough to do what she had dreamed to do. Lorelai was fine with Rory deciding to change her life's plan, but she knew Rory was better than sitting around wasting time in Stars Hollow moping over what Mitchum said. All she wanted was for Rory to continue to get an education and figure a new path. I will say there was a lot of miscommunication and mishandling of that situation on both sides. However, Lorelai never deemed Rory a failure. It was never a question of whether Rory had failed or not. She was angry that one stupid man had so much influence on Rory. Also, when Rory finally called on the night of their reconciliation, Lorelai asked Rory if she was sure her new plan was what she wanted. Lorelai was willing to accept whatever Rory felt was right for her.

There is a difference in being upset over a situation and thinking the situation is/was a failure. Lorelai was simply upset at the situation. Could both sides have handled things a little better? Definitely. Unfortunately there isn't much that can be done about the past.

I agree. And I don't think that Lorelai's look at Rory regarding Paris being editor was because she was disappointed with Rory and thought she was a failure. Rather, I saw a sympathetic look because she knew that Rory was going to be feeling a little jealousy and disappointment that she wasn't in school so she didn't have the opportunity to get that position.

Well this has been debated quite frequently on this thread so I probably shouldn't even go into it.

Lorelai's problem in 5.22 was that one man had made Rory question her self so severely. She didn't like that one review had caused Rory to go into a tizzy and decide she wasn't good enough to do what she had dreamed to do. Lorelai was fine with Rory deciding to change her life's plan, but she knew Rory was better than sitting around wasting time in Stars Hollow moping over what Mitchum said. All she wanted was for Rory to continue to get an education and figure a new path. I will say there was a lot of miscommunication and mishandling of that situation on both sides. However, Lorelai never deemed Rory a failure. It was never a question of whether Rory had failed or not. She was angry that one stupid man had so much influence on Rory. Also, when Rory finally called on the night of their reconciliation, Lorelai asked Rory if she was sure her new plan was what she wanted. Lorelai was willing to accept whatever Rory felt was right for her.

There is a difference in being upset over a situation and thinking the situation is/was a failure. Lorelai was simply upset at the situation. Could both sides have handled things a little better? Definitely. Unfortunately there isn't much that can be done about the past.

I think that Lorelai should have done things with Luke that he liked. I'm not denying that and I never have. I wasn't talking about them though.  I was just talking about how I wouild like to see Rory bring Logan to Stars Hollow sometime.  It would funny. I don't get your point about Paris not liking it.  That isn't the point. He doesn't have to love it and be all enthralled with it, although I think he would be amused by it.  I would just like to see him experience it. There is a difference.

And on the other topic discussed in this post, I don't think that Rory just becomes this mindless girl when she's around Logan, but I can see some people's point that she does get overpowered by Logan in a sense. Some of that may just be that MC overpowers AB in their acting so that their characters come off that way. But I don't think that it is completely off that we saw Rory sort of get lost in Logan's world. I think that we are seeing her more on her own this year and even though she is feeling lost and not knowing what to do with her life after graduation, she has seemed much stronger to me this season and I have enjoyed her character more than I have in a long time.

At any rate, are you suggesting that living a life in Stars Hollow or any Small Town America is a failure? You're suggesting that Lorelai's life is a failure even though she has a successful inn, friends, and a loving family? Granted she's being a bit of an idiot at the moment, but that's really beside the point. Are you also suggesting that a Yale education is too good for a small town? Even if a small town life is what ultimately makes a person happy? Rory can only be successful if she graduates Yale with honors, lives in a high rise apartment in the city, and is working a corporate job? Whatever happened to being happy for a person as long as they are happy with their lives, especially if it's not hurting anyone?

And do you really think that Lorelai would think everything she went through to get Rory where she is was for nothing just because Rory decided she didn't want to be a journalist (or something not nearly as elite as we may have expected)? Her daughter will still have an excellent education because she had gone to one of the best prep schools, an ivy league college, and will have experienced so many things that many don't ever get to experience. As long as Rory is living the life that makes her most happy, that doesn't have her having a melt down every 6 months, then I think Lorelai will be quite pleased with who her daughter has become. Lorelai has never considered Rory a failure. And Lorelai would never consider Rory a failure.

He didn't give up those interests - and Lorelai encouraged him to pursue them, to have it all.

What's more to the point is how the show has failed to show us Logan's life outside of Rory, and for a long time, it failed to show much of Rory's life apart from Logan. This doesn't mean those lives didn't happen. But for a TV show, it loses impact when viewers don't see, experience, or hear about  it.

Actually, Rory grew up in Stars Hollow and her roots include relationships with most of the town. Plus, you're forgetting Lane. And Mrs. Kim. And Mia. Etc.

Until age 16, Rory's entire day-to-day life was in Stars Hollow. She didn't only sleep there, she lived there, all day. She went to school there.

You're right that Logan hasn't insisted he can't stand Paris. He's quite tolerant of most people. But that one scene of Paris and Logan together rocked. It's wasted chemistry (not romantic chemistry, just basic acting chemistry). It would be good to see more.

I'd agree that he doesn't hold her back. And perhaps - because their relationship still leaves me meh - I'd feel more invested in it if we did see Rory-Logan scenes that weren't merely about their relationship but bothered to show them both getting on with their lives while in that relationship.

The real choice Lorelai made was to put raising her daughter first, in front of all else. And in that, she succeeded.

101 Threads of Analysing a TV Show
101 Days spent on this board (I bet if we put all our hours together, we'll get at least that many 24 hour days)

THere should seriously be a class for something like this. I'd ace it

101 Television Show Analysis of Character, Relationships, and Themes

101 Ways to Ruin a TV Show Fanbase

why is it when I tried to explain the same thing Lorelai was ripped apart and called a bad mother? good to see some people see the same show I do

Some people don't recognize that Rory is very stubborn, and as a true Gilmore Girl, wants things her own way. And what she wanted to do was drop out of school and mope. The irony seemed to have been lost on her when she and Logan had their fight in S6 and she accused Logan of not appreciating all his advantages -- like she hasn't had a ton of them herself.

Well this has been debated quite frequently on this thread so I probably shouldn't even go into it.

Lorelai's problem in 5.22 was that one man had made Rory question her self so severely. She didn't like that one review had caused Rory to go into a tizzy and decide she wasn't good enough to do what she had dreamed to do. Lorelai was fine with Rory deciding to change her life's plan, but she knew Rory was better than sitting around wasting time in Stars Hollow moping over what Mitchum said. All she wanted was for Rory to continue to get an education and figure a new path. I will say there was a lot of miscommunication and mishandling of that situation on both sides. However, Lorelai never deemed Rory a failure.

Some people don't recognize that Rory is very stubborn, and as a true Gilmore Girl, wants things her own way. And what she wanted to do was drop out of school and mope. The irony seemed to have been lost on her when she and Logan had their fight in S6 and she accused Logan of not appreciating all his advantages -- like she hasn't had a ton of them herself.

I get the feeling that whenever some people say they want Logan to visit Stars Hollow that others think that we mean that he and Rory should move there and never leave. That isn't what we are saying at all by that. In fact I think that we agree. It is an important place to Rory and it would really funny to watch. That's all I'm asking for. One time.