Spoilers - Gilmore Girls Spoilers and Speculation #101 - Page 2

lkelve · 11-21-2006, 09:12 AM

Yay! 101st post! We've past 100....

So, who's excited for.....

Lorelei telling Rory her news?

Rory telling Lorelei off?

Logan returning to town?

Rory growing a backbone and trying to be independent?

April in a dilemma?

Luke calling Lorelei?
Luke spotting the ring?
LUKE AND LORELEI IN A SCENE TOGETHER?!?!!? (Finally! WOO HOO!!)

CAN. NOT. WAIT.

blaab · 11-21-2006, 09:19 AM

Thanks for the new thread ...

Oh no, you all have made me so exited for something that won't happen ... Paris won't be outing Marty ... well, maybe there will be some interaction between them later on.

Great post Lemon!

So all exited for tonight? First of all can't wait to see Logan again and am very curious to how Rory writing that article will play out, second of all am looking forward to hopefully more talk between Rory and Lorelai, I loved the DC, but do hope Chris entering is not the end of that conversation, maybe later on they will pick it up, I would really like to hear Rory say why she is angry. I have an idea, but it is always nice to see it play out. Am fascinated/intrigued even by what happens to April and how Lorelai ends up in the hospital and yeah

am looking forward to some Lorelai and Luke interaction ... I must say I loved all three (KAB, LG and DS) and the acting in the DC and what I saw of the promo I also liked both SP and LG expressions very much. I didn't think Lorelai looked guilty ... extremely uncomfortable. And she looked so happy there for a moment ...

caf123 · 11-21-2006, 09:19 AM

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Thanks for the new thread, caf and the article, gjoni. I'm reposting something I put near the end of the last thread, I'm sure everyone will be thrilled!:

Hey, such a treatise deserves the exposure. lol.

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Well could not the same be said of Luke? Who had given up hunting, fishing and camping as his preferred hobbies and took up shopping for women's clothes?

He didn't give up those interests - and Lorelai encouraged him to pursue them, to have it all.

What's more to the point is how the show has failed to show us Logan's life outside of Rory, and for a long time, it failed to show much of Rory's life apart from Logan. This doesn't mean those lives didn't happen. But for a TV show, it loses impact when viewers don't see, experience, or hear about it.

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However, I don't think Logan does or doesn't know Rory because he has or hasn't been to a festival or Luke's for coffee. Luke doesn't like festivals. What true impact does Kirk have on Rory's life, outside being an object for mocking? The only townie IMO that has had a real day to day impact on Rory's life is possibly Babette. Outside that Sookie & Luke are the only townspeople with a true relationship with her. He met and spent a weekend with Luke.

Actually, Rory grew up in Stars Hollow and her roots include relationships with most of the town. Plus, you're forgetting Lane. And Mrs. Kim. And Mia. Etc.

When a child interacts daily with people for many years, at the very least, they have a formative influence on her.

It's regrettable that the writers haven't bothered to let Logan visit SH except when he turned to Lorelai for help. You don't need to meet your boyfriend/girlfriend's family and friends or understand their past, but it adds a dimension of understanding.

Besides, as someone posted last night, that would be classic Gilmore Girls. Something that's in scant supply these days.

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All those other people he could go to a single festival or Luke's and get the full effect and never have to come back. Yes, these are people that care about Rory, and who looked after her, but most did not have a massive day-to-day impact on her life. That's Lorelai's life. Just like Luke didn't have to do more than spend a day with Richard or evening with Emily or Richard & Emily to see where Lorelai came from. In the end that is their life, the one they chose, not the one Lorelai did. Getting to know that side of Lorelai is the same as Logan getting to know that side of Rory, it's about where she came from, not necessairly where she's going or who she's choosing to be as a person. Those are Lorelai's choices. Or in the case of Emily & Richard, the life she rejected.

As Rory also rejected that life, after trying it a year ago.

Stars Hollow was obviously Lorelai's choice - Rory was a mere babe at the time. But how can you say they looked after her and, in the same breath, claim they "didn't have a massive day-to-day impact on her life"?

Until age 16, Rory's entire day-to-day life was in Stars Hollow. She didn't only sleep there, she lived there, all day. She went to school there.

Responding to the rest of your treatise, oops, post

: You're right that Logan hasn't insisted he can't stand Paris. He's quite tolerant of most people. But that one scene of Paris and Logan together rocked. It's wasted chemistry (not romantic chemistry, just basic acting chemistry). It would be good to see more.

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So Rory's ingenuity in getting all those people back to the paper that had quit, getting them organized and motivated, Logan included, didn't count? The only thing Logan did was make sure all of those people's work, and Rory's efforts, didn't go for naught. Before that he was pitching in just like everyone else, not being a Huntzberger, just a regular staffer.....

I think the problem is that we've had so few scenes where Rory is actually doing something while Logan is in the picture.

I'd agree that he doesn't hold her back. And perhaps - because their relationship still leaves me meh - I'd feel more invested in it if we did see Rory-Logan scenes that weren't merely about their relationship but bothered to show them both getting on with their lives while in that relationship.

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Lorelai's choices have led her to where she's ended up. She's known Luke for a decade. He's been in love with her that entire time. Had she had any desire to really let love into her life she could have been with Luke at a much younger age. That her biological clock is beginning to clang is a product of that choice. Not really even the Luke v Chris one. It's because Lorelai cut herself from building a life with someone she's now in this massive hurry.

THAT is the real choice Lorelai made along the way.

The real choice Lorelai made was to put raising her daughter first, in front of all else. And in that, she succeeded.

This is part of why it's so hard to watch the writers repeatedly throw up any old obstacle to her finding personal happiness while the show is still live.

Wherever L&L's individual "journeys" lead, however small or even large the crumb that DSR drops in 722 - we will never see or understand the fabric of their relationship. We know what it was in the past. If DSR wants to change or teach them lessons, then we'll have new and improved characters - HOW do they relate? WHAT is the nature of that relationship? Beyond the obvious fact that they still love each other, this is now something we'll never know.

Lorelai prioritised Rory, the writers are doing the same - we'll probably get a better glimpse of Rory's future than Lorelai's.

This would be less frustrating if the show hadn't once pretended it would take that next step. Viewers built up interest in a story that will remain forever untold.

Ciaobella · 11-21-2006, 09:48 AM

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How do you tell your daughter that you married her father? It's not a question that many people wrestle with, but it's a big moment that Lorelai faces tonight. She invites Rory to dinner to tell her the joyous news, but isn't overjoyed by the reaction it provokes. Meanwhile, Rory gets good news from Logan; and Luke has a medical crisis with April, which leads him to call Lorelai for help. And, for a series that revels in words, this storyline produces an uncharacteristic silent scene that is just devastating. — Bill Ecklund

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I wonder if this is the scene where Luke sees the ring on Lorelai's finger. If it is, JJ's may need to organize a support team tonight.

caf123 · 11-21-2006, 09:53 AM

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I wonder if this is the scene where Luke sees the ring on Lorelai's finger. If it is, JJ's may need to organize a support team tonight.

It sounds too sad for words.

When does this show become fun again? Ever?

WandaRose · 11-21-2006, 09:55 AM

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So you want both Rory and Lorelai to be failures? For all of what Lorelai went through to have been for nothing? That's a novel concept. Makes the entire point of the show, well pointless.

I apologize if we've moved on and this is a dead subject, but I'm only now able to do a bit of skimming and catching up.

At any rate, are you suggesting that living a life in Stars Hollow or any Small Town America is a failure? You're suggesting that Lorelai's life is a failure even though she has a successful inn, friends, and a loving family? Granted she's being a bit of an idiot at the moment, but that's really beside the point. Are you also suggesting that a Yale education is too good for a small town? Even if a small town life is what ultimately makes a person happy? Rory can only be successful if she graduates Yale with honors, lives in a high rise apartment in the city, and is working a corporate job? Whatever happened to being happy for a person as long as they are happy with their lives, especially if it's not hurting anyone?

And do you really think that Lorelai would think everything she went through to get Rory where she is was for nothing just because Rory decided she didn't want to be a journalist (or something not nearly as elite as we may have expected)? Her daughter will still have an excellent education because she had gone to one of the best prep schools, an ivy league college, and will have experienced so many things that many don't ever get to experience. As long as Rory is living the life that makes her most happy, that doesn't have her having a melt down every 6 months, then I think Lorelai will be quite pleased with who her daughter has become. Lorelai has never considered Rory a failure. And Lorelai would never consider Rory a failure.

lorelaisgirl · 11-21-2006, 09:59 AM

Since this is the 101st thread (thanks btw

), there are those classes or lessons called [insert class name here] 101, right?
Okay, here it goes:
Television 101
Show writing 101
Support-group 101
... (fill in the blank)

tazzded · 11-21-2006, 10:01 AM

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I wonder if this is the scene where Luke sees the ring on Lorelai's finger. If it is, JJ's may need to organize a support team tonight.

I'll bring the alcohol.

lilmelodie · 11-21-2006, 10:05 AM

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Hey, such a treatise deserves the exposure. lol.

He didn't give up those interests - and Lorelai encouraged him to pursue them, to have it all.

What's more to the point is how the show has failed to show us Logan's life outside of Rory, and for a long time, it failed to show much of Rory's life apart from Logan. This doesn't mean those lives didn't happen. But for a TV show, it loses impact when viewers don't see, experience, or hear about it.

Actually, Rory grew up in Stars Hollow and her roots include relationships with most of the town. Plus, you're forgetting Lane. And Mrs. Kim. And Mia. Etc.

When a child interacts daily with people for many years, at the very least, they have a formative influence on her.

It's regrettable that the writers haven't bothered to let Logan visit SH except when he turned to Lorelai for help. You don't need to meet your boyfriend/girlfriend's family and friends or understand their past, but it adds a dimension of understanding.

Besides, as someone posted last night, that would be classic Gilmore Girls. Something that's in scant supply these days.

As Rory also rejected that life, after trying it a year ago.

Stars Hollow was obviously Lorelai's choice - Rory was a mere babe at the time. But how can you say they looked after her and, in the same breath, claim they "didn't have a massive day-to-day impact on her life"?

Until age 16, Rory's entire day-to-day life was in Stars Hollow. She didn't only sleep there, she lived there, all day. She went to school there.

Responding to the rest of your treatise, oops, post

: You're right that Logan hasn't insisted he can't stand Paris. He's quite tolerant of most people. But that one scene of Paris and Logan together rocked. It's wasted chemistry (not romantic chemistry, just basic acting chemistry). It would be good to see more.

I think the problem is that we've had so few scenes where Rory is actually doing something while Logan is in the picture.

I'd agree that he doesn't hold her back. And perhaps - because their relationship still leaves me meh - I'd feel more invested in it if we did see Rory-Logan scenes that weren't merely about their relationship but bothered to show them both getting on with their lives while in that relationship.

I agree about the Rory stuff. I should have just waited for you to post. I'm far too sleep deprived to say what I'm really wanting to say. I especially agree with the bolded parts.

SarahLovesLogan · 11-21-2006, 10:07 AM

How awesome would a scene be where the silence is first Luke noticing Lorelai's ring, then cut to Logan on bended knee proposing to Rory. All silent. By awesome I don't mean fun, I just mean powerful, and would really strike a chord at how different their lives are at this point.

I know it won't happen, and I personally want to HEAR Logan when he proposes, but the wannabe writer/director in me thinks that would look awesome. Haha. It would also be devastating to watch.

lkelve · 11-21-2006, 10:09 AM

tazzded, how bout a drinking game?

Take a drink every time....

Chris calls Lorelei "Lor" or Lorelei call Chris "honey"

you spot Logan's hair gel

Rory has a disgruntled look on her face or is wearing a long matronly dress or skirt

Lucy/Marty/the other friend are on screen

Luke's new hat is in sight

April says a big word, a la Dawson's Creek

Lane complains or Zach grunts

Emily judges someone or somethng, either positively or negatively

Richard adjusts his tie

Paris answers someone back

Anna or Jackson appears, even if it's for a brief moment (You'll need a drink....)

Kirk sings

Luke acts like a great Dad

Luke sees Lorelei

Luke sees the ring

Lorelei seems upset

Lorelei acts like the character we've once loved!!

Sandlynn · 11-21-2006, 10:10 AM

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And do you really think that Lorelai would think everything she went through to get Rory where she is was for nothing just because Rory decided she didn't want to be a journalist (or something not nearly as elite as we may have expected)? Her daughter will still have an excellent education because she had gone to one of the best prep schools, an ivy league college, and will have experienced so many things that many don't ever get to experience. As long as Rory is living the life that makes her most happy, that doesn't have her having a melt down every 6 months, then I think Lorelai will be quite pleased with who her daughter has become. Lorelai has never considered Rory a failure. And Lorelai would never consider Rory a failure.

It was getting pretty close there during the rift. What's your big plan, Rory? You're not going to hang around Stars Hollow. Then, leaving Yale, working at the DAR, and living in the poolhouse. The look she gave Rory when Paris announced she was the YDN's new editor-in-chief.

If Rory had continued on that path instead of going right back to what her mother wanted for her, I wonder if Lorelai could've accepted that?

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I'd agree that he doesn't hold her back. And perhaps - because their relationship still leaves me meh - I'd feel more invested in it if we did see Rory-Logan scenes that weren't merely about their relationship but bothered to show them both getting on with their lives while in that relationship.

There was the scene where....

1) Rory was going off to the editor-in-chiefs' panel, while Logan was going off to his sister's rehearsal dinner. They each reassure each other about their separate events.
2) Logan was planning his trip to Costa Rica with his friends and Rory walked in and criticizes it.
3) Rory was going on and on about Logan's father praising his brilliance for hiring her to the WSJ and Logan was talking her down off the ledge.
4) Rory was telling Logan about how she became editor-in-chief and he's thrilled. Then, she tells him about Paris' reaction and he commensurates.
5) Logan was confronted by his father and had to leave for London for the weekend. (That was an inadvertent sharing of how he's having to "get on with his life.")
6) Big one here: Logan invites Rory to share his celebratory dinner with his colleagues.
7) Rory goes on and on about her community service problems to Logan over breakfast.
8) Logan arrives at the Gilmore mansion upset by his father's demands and tries to find solace there.
9) Logan invites Rory to dinner at his house to support his sister while she announces her engagement.
10) Logan visits Rory at the Stamford Evening Gazette and she goes on and on about how much she loves to work there and informs him of what's going on.
11) Logan tries to reassure Rory that his father is not the final word on her abilities.
12) Logan heads off to graduate from college while Rory cheers him on.
13) Logan reluctantly helps Rory get info on his dad, both before she starts work and after she's already there.
14) They save the YDN together.
15) Logan encourages Rory to be a risktaker and live life in the moment at the LDB event.

I could go on…. Seriously, they've had plenty of moments that were about their individual problems, issues or successes -- i.e., getting on with their lives -- that they shared with each other.

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The real choice Lorelai made was to put raising her daughter first, in front of all else. And in that, she succeeded.

That wasn't a real choice as much as it was a false choice. After all, Lorelai dated Max and almost married him while still raising Rory. I think Lorelai used Rory as an excuse not to make a commitment, not to open up her life or have to compromise with someone else. Instead of recognizing that, she actually put the blame on Christopher, confessing to him that she was probably always waiting for him and that's why she never moved on.

lorelaisgirl · 11-21-2006, 10:55 AM

lkelve, if people take a drink everytime one of your things happen, they are going to be sooo drunk! How funny is it gonna be to read the posts after the episode aired?

SarahLovesLogan · 11-21-2006, 11:08 AM

It won't be very funny for those of us that are sober. Hee.

I don't think the episode will be bad for either ship IMO. We'll see, of course, but I wouldn't get too much of a head start on the drinking.

lorelaisgirl · 11-21-2006, 11:16 AM

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It won't be very funny for those of us that are sober. Hee.

I don't think the episode will be bad for either ship IMO. We'll see, of course, but I wouldn't get too much of a head start on the drinking.

It wouldn't be good for me to drink, 'cuz that means I would be drunk at school and that's probably frowned upon...