Spoilers - Gilmore Girls Spoilers ~ The Hiatus is Almost Over...We feel the Earth move

Jet1945 · 04-16-2005, 02:22 PM

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Episode 5.18 - To Live and Let Diorama
Air date: 19 Apr 2005

Writers: Daniel Palladino
Director: Jackson Douglas

Courtesy: Fraz and The WB
Tuesday, April 19
Gilmore Girls (8:00 - 9:00 pm ET)
"“To Live and Let Diorama”" ((TV-PG) (HDTV))
CAROLE KING GUEST STARS/JARED PADALECKI RETURNS AS DEAN –— When Stars Hollow’s oldest resident dies and leaves his house to the town, Luke (Scott Patterson) has an ulterior motive for volunteering to help turn the house into a temporary museum. Dean (Jared Padalecki) is also working on the project, and offers Luke some unwelcome advice about the dangers of dating a Gilmore girl. To get publicity for the Dragonfly Inn, Lorelai (Lauren Graham) does an interview with a travel magazine, but immediately regrets the unkind comments she makes about being raised by Emily (Kelly Bishop, who does not appear in the episode). Meanwhile, Lane (Keiko Agena) suspects that Zach (Todd Lowe) is having a fling with music store owner Sophie (guest star Carole King), while Rory (Alexis Bledel) and Paris (Liza Weil) are both devastated by trouble with their respective boyfriends. Melissa McCarthy and Sean Gunn also star. The episode was written by Daniel Palladino and directed by Jackson Douglas, who plays Sookie’s husband Jackson on the series

From TV Guide:
To Live and Let Diorama
The death of Old Man Twickham inspires Taylor to turn the deceased's house into a museum--with Luke's help; Rory, Paris, and Lane drown their guy troubles in Miss Patty's punch; and Lorelai has second thoughts after ranting about her mother in a magazine article on her inn. Carole King appears as a music-shop owner.

A Casting Side for Epsiode 5.18 has been posted for 1 character. The published Casting Side is for a character named Sandra Drake from the American Travel Magazine. She is interviewing Lorelai about the Dragonfly for an article. The Side runs for 6 pages. There is a marked out scene between Luke, Taylor and perhaps others at the Twickham House.

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Episode 5.19 - But I'm A Gilmore
Air date: 26 Apr 2005

Writers: Amy Sherman-Palladino
Director: Michael Zinberg

Tuesday, April 26
“But I’m A Gilmore!”
RORY MEETS LOGAN'S FAMILY - After Rory (Alexis Bledel) tells Logan (Matt Czuchry) that she can't have a casual relationship with him and they should go back to being just friends, she is amazed when Logan insists he is ready to commit to her. However, when he brings her home to meet his powerful and intimidating family, Rory is shocked by his parents' negative reaction to the relationship. The following day, Logan's father (guest star Gregg Henry) apologizes to Rory and offers her an internship at one of his newspapers. Meanwhile, when Sookie (Melissa McCarthy) is put on bed rest by her doctor, Lorelai (Lauren Graham) calls Luke (Scott Patterson) to fill in as the substitute chef at the Dragonfly Inn. Yanic Truesdale, Liza Weil, and Sean Gunn also star. The episode was written by Amy Sherman-Palladino and directed by Michael Zinberg

From: TV Guide
Rory forces Logan to make a decision about their relationship; Lorelai needs to find a substitute cook when a pregnant Sookie is ordered to stay in bed; and Paris uses her nanny (Soledad St. Clair) to care for a sick Doyle.

This is the first episode for the appearance of Gregg Henry as Mitchum Huntzberger.

From Spoilerfix.com:
Episode 5.19: But I'm a Gilmore
Airdate: April 2005

03/05 - Logan accepts that he and Rory be exclusive but will the ladies' man be able to keep his promise? Doyle has a fever and Paris tries to help him out. Sookie's doctor puts her on bed rest making Luke have to help Lorelai at the inn. Logan's sister, Honor, drops by his dorm. She wants him to come home for dinner tomorrow as she'll make an announcement to their family and she needs her brother's support. Rory accompanies him to the family dinner. In attendance are Honor, Logan's mother, the grandfather and Honor's boyfriend. Mitchum, Logan's father, is stuck at work. There is much tension at the dinner.

Casting Notices:

Grandpa Huntzberger - Guest Star / MALE / 70 TO 79
70's He is a strong willed, grouchy, mean and VERY WEALTHY man. He ran a newspaper for years before he handed it over to his son Mitchum Huntzberger (Gregg Henry), who will eventually hand it over to his son Logan (Matt Czuchry).

JOSH - Co-Star / MALE / 28 TO 28 / Caucasian,*Cute, nebbishy Jew marrying into a very wealthy, very white, screwed up family.

Links to Spoilers:
From Jet1945: Info taken from Sides in the Shooting Script 3/1/05 - Amended 2 Mar 05
From fan1bsb97: Some spoilers from her recent tour to the Gilmore Girls set.
Ausiello's TV Guide Cover Story and Pictures captured by gossipcom:
The Cover Story links.
The Pictures.
The Captions to the Pics
From SassySmarty The TV Guide Article (Scanned pages)

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Episode 5.20 - How Many Kropogs to Cape Cod?
Air date: 3 May 2005

Writer(s): Bill Prady & Rebecca Rand Kirshner
Directors: Jamie Babbit

From The WB

Wanting to make a good impression on Logan's (Matt Czuchry) powerful father, Mitchum Huntzberger (guest star Gregg Henry), Rory (Alexis Bledel) learns everything she can about him before starting work as an intern at one of his newspapers. When Lorelai (Lauren Graham) learns that Emily (Kelly Bishop) and Richard (Edward Herrmann) have invited Logan to Friday night dinner, she ends her boycott of family gatherings in order to get to know Logan better. During the evening, Emily and Richard fawn over Logan, but Lorelai sees a side of him that causes her to worry about Rory's involvement with the Huntzberger family. Meanwhile, Lorelai gets an interesting job offer, and Luke (Scott Patterson) tries to talk Taylor (Michael Winters) into closing the Stars Hollow museum.
Melissa McCarthy and Liza Weil also star. The episode was written by Bill Prady & Rebecca Rand Kirshner and directed by Jamie Babbit.

Links to Spoliers:
From Jet1945: Info taken from Sides in the Shooting Script 3/10/05 -
From Caligirl84: Some spoilers from her tour at the WB studios.
From ABitStormy brought over some information. It is a Lane Concert, Rory, Lorelai and FND with Logan.
From -Genevieve- and ~Kitty: Some spoilers from their recent visit to the WB studios.

From A Friend: A Kropog is not a person.

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Episode 5.21 - Blame Booze and Melville
Air Date 10 May 2005

Writer(s): Unknown
Director: Jamie Babbit

* Casting Notices:

RUSSIAN BALLERINA - Co-Star / FEMALE / 16 TO 16 / Caucasian
Required Skills - Dialects: Russian
RUSSIAN BALLERINA MUST SPEAK WITH A RUSSIAN DIALECT, NO DANCING IS INVOLVED. PLEASE SUBMIT ACTORS WHO ARE STRONG WITH DIALECTS AND WILL DO A CO-STAR.

MALE NURSE - MALE / 27 TO 39 / African American
Late 20s-late 30s, works in the maternity ward.

TOWN ELDERS - Co-Star / MALE / 59 TO 70 / Caucasian
- The scene takes place in a steam room with Luke (Scott Patterson) and Taylor (Michael Winters) and they, along with the town elders, discuss the pros and cons of Luke buying an old house for himself in Stars Hollow.

SAM - Co-Star / MALE / 56 TO 59 / Caucasian
AUTHORATATIVE, HARD HITTING NEWSPAPER MAN

LLOYD - Co-Star / MALE / 34 TO 39 / Caucasian
ACCOUNTANT FOR A NEWSPAPER FIRM

MAN - Co-Star / MALE / 30 TO 34 / Caucasian
NEWSPAPER WORKER WHO THANKS RORY BY SAYING "THANKS BEAUTIFUL."

MIKHAIL - Guest Star / MALE / 24 TO 36 / Caucasian
Required Skills - Dance: Ballet; Dialects: Russian
A TRAINED BALLET DANCER FROM RUSSIA, mid 20s-mid 30s, SUBMIT TRAINED BALLET DANCERS WHO CAN DO A RUSSIAN DIALECT. Emily (Kelly Bishop) sponsors a Russian ballet dancer to raise money for a local ballet company.

Links to Spoliers:
From Jet1945 - Info taken from Sides in the Shooting Script 3/22/05
From n6730: Some spoilers about the setups for 5.21 from their tour at the WB studios.
From Opheliascat of TWoP: Some spoilers from the set Post 1. Post 2. Post 3.

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Episode 5.22 - Unnamed - The Season Finale
Air date: 17 May 2005

Writer(s): Unknown
Directors: Unknown

Links to Spoliers:
From Jet1945: Info taken from Sides in the Shooting Script 4/4/05 -

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General Spoilers/Articles

On Rory's Crisis -

Rory's "identity crisis" is a reaction to something specific that happened at her internship.
There is a scene that has to do with the intership & Rory that throws her off and it makes sense for her to do something crazy.

Confirmed Season 5 Finale - 17 May 05

TV Guide - Amy Sherman Paladino Interview - Insider

Originally posted by gossipcom - TV Guide ASP Interview - Long Term Spoilers

From TV Guide's Ask Ausiello:

For 12 April 2005

Question: In last week's AA, you stated Dean won't appear again this season on Gilmore Girls. However, the sneak peek at the 4/19 episode showed Dean and Luke interacting. Ha! — Bryan

Ausiello: Thanks for a) pointing out my mistake (which was quickly fixed Wednesday morning) and then b) rubbing my nose in it with the "Ha!" You're a peach, Bryan. Anyway, in my defense, a publicist for the show repeatedly denied that Dean was returning this season — even after other outlets were reporting that he was. And instead of vetting it with my own sources, I pulled a Dan Rather and let the denial stand. Long story short: I relied on incorrect information and got burned. The good news, however, is that said publicist felt so bad about the screwup that she gave me this juicy GG season-finale tease to share exclusively with AA readers: "For the first time in their lives, a wall is created between Lorelai and Rory when Rory ignores her mother's wishes and turns to Richard and Emily for advice."

6 Apr 2005 - Dean answer Version 2 - Dean answer Version 3

From 30 March 2005

Question: When exactly does your Gilmore Girls cover(s) story go on sale? — Tami

Ausiello: Nonsubscribers can purchase the issue on newsstands beginning April 7. Please tell me you're gonna go out and buy both covers, Tami. And you're gonna urge your friends to do the same, right? Because there's a lot riding on this issue selling well, OK? I'm glad we had this chat.

Question: Do you think Rory's "crisis" is overrated and it's not that big a deal, like some people (including myself) are making it out to be? — Jessy

Ausiello: Well, it certainly won't seem overrated to Rory. But I do think fans were quick to play the "cliché TV twist" card (Rory's pregnant! Dean gets hit by a dump truck! Paris gets abducted by aliens!) when I first hinted at the forthcoming crisis. I mean, this is Gilmore Girls, people, not One Tree Hill!

Question: Yo, Ausiello, how good of a show is Scrubs? Besides it being the, you know, best comedy on television and all. Here's my question: I heard Sarah Chalke has a movie coming out. What have you heard? — Eugene

Ausiello: I assume you're referring to Cake. Haven't heard much, except that it's about a travel writer (played Chalke's ex-Scrubs costar, Heather Graham) whose outlook on love changes after she takes over her dad's wedding magazine. And, in addition to Chalke and Graham, it also stars such tube MVPs as David Sutcliffe, Cheryl Hines and Taye Diggs. Speaking of Chalke, she's coming to New York next month to join the cast of the godawful Off-Broadway play Modern Orthodox. Note to Sarah: Fire your agents.

Question: With so many to choose from, how did you decide which Smurf to bring to the set of Gilmore Girls? — Steven

Ausiello: They drew straws and Bashful won. (That was him on the phone earlier.)

Question: Can you please give us a tiny clue as to whether Lorelai is gonna get pregnant or not? — Caty

Ausiello: All will be revealed May 10. New episodes, by the way, begin airing April 19.

Question: God, are you one catty SOB. — Tom

Ausiello: That's Mr. God to you.

From 23 March 2005

Question: Is Rory's big crisis on Gilmore Girls (Ask Ausiello 3/2) about Logan's family and how they don't approve of her? Because if it is, a ton of people already know that.

Ausiello: Well, tell the ton of people that already know that that no, it isn't. It involves papa Huntzberger, and a certain internship Rory will take at his paper. (For those keeping track, that was the second of three GG questions.)

All of Mike Ausiello's Gilmore Girls comments from March 23rd can be found here.

From 16 March 2005

Question: So... how did your trip to Stars Hollow (aka Gilmore Girls) go!?!?!?!?!

Ausiello: I was wondering when someone was going to get around to asking me about that. As you can tell by the photo to your right, they all loved me. They really, really tolerated, er, loved me. There's so much I have to tell you guys that I honestly don't know where to begin, so let's start with my much-hyped cameo as Dragonfly Inn Guest No. 6. Turns out, my character's name changed to Dragonfly Inn Guest No. 1 when producers discovered that, well, I was the only person in the scene with Lauren Graham and Scott Patterson! I'm standing by the bookcase in the back of the main living room flipping through Great Men of Literature by Will Durant when Luke throws one of his trademark tantrums in front of Lorelai. Startled by all the commotion, I take my book and make a hasty exit. The cameras had barely stopped rolling when the raves started pouring in. "I felt like you really needed the book," observed Graham. "You were nothing without the book." Added series creator Amy Sherman-Palladino: "I just couldn't take my eyes off of you. I don't understand why you're wasting your time at TV Guide." Director Michael Zinberg, meanwhile, assured me that unlike that big Felicity catastrophe circa 2002, all of my body parts (well, almost all) will be on display when the episode airs April 26. "The only way you'll get dropped from the episode," he said, "is if they cut the scene all together." And unless they want to jeopardize the upcoming Gilmore Girls cover story (!!!!) I'm working on for TV Guide magazine, I'm fairly certain that my scene will not be cut.

Question: So, if Melanie Griffith is out of Gilmore Girls (Ask Ausiello 3/9), who's the actress they're talking to now? Surely you found something out while on set.

Ausiello: Actually, I jumped the gun when I said Ms. Griffith had turned down the gig. According to Amy Sherman-Palladino, if the scheduling can be worked out, Antonio's paler half — who was recently sidelined with a broken foot — is game to appear on the show either this season or next. "We logistically haven't found the time when she's in town, out of a cast, and available for an episode," Amy told me. "She's interested and all parties are go. It's a story line we won't do unless we have Melanie Griffith. It's for her." I thought about telling Ms. Sherman-Palladino about all the anti-Melanie sentiment pouring into Ask Ausiello in recent weeks, but I just didn't have the heart. She's a big Melanie fan.

Question: What can you tell me about Rory's big crisis (Ask Ausiello 3/2)?

Ausiello: I have to save the details for the upcoming cover story (!!!!), but let me once again assure everyone that Rory is not going to get pregnant.

Question: Do you think Matt Czuchry (Logan) will be back on Gilmore Girls next year?

Ausiello: Yes. "I don't know what the formal wording of the deal is," Amy says, "but he's on the show for the entire season."

Question: So, will Lorelai and Emily ever speak to each other again before the season ends?

Ausiello: They sure will, although their exchanges will be far from pleasant. Lorelai will even return for a special Friday-night dinner attended by Logan. How do I know this, you ask? Because after I wrapped my guest stint, Amy personally invited me to sit in on a table read for this episode — only the second time she has allowed a journalist this far inside the process. To say the experience ranked among the most exciting 45 minutes of my life is an understatement. I get goose bumps just thinking about it. The biggest laughs were generated by Kelly Bishop (Emily) and Edward Hermann (Richard), who, being the pros that they are, nailed every single one of their line readings as if they had had the script for a month. And they weren't even there in the flesh. Both were teleconferenced in — Kelly from her home in New Jersey and a vacationing Edward from his hotel in Florida. Other interesting tidbits: The episode (No. 20, the one after my cameo) begins with Paris belting out a cover of "I'm Walking on Sunshine," but an embarrassed Liza Weil chose to recite the lyrics instead of sing them in front of her cast mates; Amy's husband, fellow exec producer Dan Palladino, read the role of Logan's father Mitchum in actor Gregg Henry's stead; when Bishop discovered she was missing page 32, Alexis Bledel jumped in and read Emily's lines.

Question: Are Rory and Logan getting married on Gilmore Girls? Is that the crisis?

Ausiello: Nope.

Question: Does the crisis with Rory have anything to do with her affair with Dean at the beginning of the season?

Ausiello: Nope.

All of Mike Ausiello's Gilmore Girls comments from March 16th can be found here.

Previous Ask Ausiello Spoliers

Question: How long will Matt Czuchry (Logan) be on Gilmore Girls?
Ausiello: If Ms. Sherman-Palladino is smart, forever. This guy's a keeper.

Question: My heart is broken after watching last week's Gilmore Girls. Please, Michael, tell me everything is going to be OK between Luke and Lorelai.
Ausiello: Spoiler alert! Everything's gonna be OK, Shawna — at least through April. After that, all bets are off.

Question: Is Christopher (David Sutcliffe) gonna return to Gilmore Girls this season? — Meg
Ausiello: He'll be back in May when Rory finds herself in the throes of a huge crisis.

Question: Regarding our favorite Girls, could you elaborate just a wee bit on that upcoming "crisis" of Rory's (Ask Ausiello 3/2)? Please tell me our increasingly naughty good girl ain't gonna get prego! — Matt
Ausiello: I can confirm for you that she ain't gonna get prego — with Logan's baby or a can of tomato sauce.

Question: What's the latest on Melanie Griffith joining Gilmore Girls? — Pam
Ausiello: The deal fell through. Melanie apparently had a "scheduling conflict," which is Hollywoodspeak for "too much Botox." An offer has apparently gone out to another actress.

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Character Spoilers

From sdummer: The waiting is killing me. Any good Gilmore gossip? You love alliteration, don't you?
Kristin: I feel ya. Christopher will be back before the end of the season, and it looks like Logan is in it for the looong haul.

Carole King has a Guest Appearance in Episode 5.18 - Pictures here.

Leann Hunley has been cast as Logan's Mom, Shira.

Gregg Henry has been cast in the role of Mitchum Huntzbgerger.

Christopher will be in 7 episodes this season. As of 5.13, he has appeared in 5, 2 remaining.

Dean will be in 10 episodes this season. As of 5.13, he has appeared in 7, 3 remaining.

Alex Borstein is returning for season 5. She was Miss Celine in Episode 5.12.

From Fraz:
Okay a friend of mine has the same reps as the guy that plays Chris and he has already been asked how many episodes can he be available for season 6....ugh

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Episode 5.13 - Wedding Bell Blues Summary Archive - The 100th Episode
Airdate - 8 Feb 2005

Genevieve - Fraz - Ms Chicklet - Wedding Bell Blues Summaries Archive

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Jet1945 · 04-16-2005, 02:23 PM

Photos and Posters
(Click thumbnails to open larger versions of pics)

May sweeps poster from Painted Aura of fanbolt

Courtesy of The WB, Fraz, Jet1945 and -Genevieve-

Episode 5.20 - To Live and Let Diorama

Pictures of the Twickham House in Episode 5.18

Pictures of Ausiello on the set of Episode 5.19

Episode 5.19 - But I'm a Gilmore

Ausiello's Cover Story (!!!) in TV Guide.

Other episode promo pics, cast photos and posters from Season 5 can be found in Genevieve's album. Thanks to Fraz, Nerble and the WB for the original pics.

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PROMOS

Promos on the WB sites:
Low quality- ONE TWO
High Quality - ONE TWO
One with new scenes.
And another new composite promo of GG/OTH

Caps of the New Promo - from Audirox - From gossipcom

From Jet1945: Gilmore Girls Composite Video Promo

Gilmore Girls/OTH Composite Video Promo

The links below are for Gilmore Girls/OTH Composite Promo aired on 15 April 05 During Fran.

Promo Title: Fran Says The Hiatus has Ended - By A Nose

The Promo looks like it is made from Scenes from Episodes 5.18 - To Live and Let Diorama, Episode 5.19 - But I'm a Gilmore and 5.20 - How Many Kropogs to Cape Cod?

The Promo is the Full-Screen version of the most recent GG Promo. No cropping or proportional enlargement was done.

It is a 30 sec clip.

Have Fun!

Computer Geek Stuff:

PC Users - Right Click to save on your machine
Mac Users - CTL Click to get context menu to save on your machine.

Two file formats: Quicktime mpg (MPEG1) Format (5.0 mB) and DivX AVI (7.7 mB). Quality is good enought to double in size for playback.

Gilmore Girls Promo for 15 April 05 - mpg Format - 5.0 mB

Gilmore Girls Promo for 15 April 05 - DivX AVI Format - 7.7 mB

Gilmore Girls Video Promo

The links below are for Gilmore Girls Promo aired on 12 April 05 at the conclusion of Wedding Bell Blues..

Promo Title: The Hiatus has Ended - Finally

The Promo looks like it is made from Scenes from Episodes 5.18 - To Live and Let Diorama, Episode 5.19 - But I'm a Gilmore and 5.20 - How Many Kropogs to Cape Cod?

It is a 20 sec clip.

The clip has been cropped to eliminate the credits at the bottom and proportionately enlarged to eliminate distortion. Consequently it is available only in DivX AVI format. I will have an mpg version as soon as a full-screen airs.

Have Fun!

Computer Geek Stuff:

PC Users - Right Click to save on your machine
Mac Users - CTL Click to get context menu to save on your machine.

One file format: DivX AVI (5.3 mB). Quality is good enought to double in size for playback.

Gilmore Girls Promo for 12 April 05 - DivX AVI Format - 5.3 mB

Technical Note: The DivX Format clip has significant improvement in quality at 720 x 480 in size. Anyone wishing to know how to add a DivX codec and DivX Player, go to www.divx.com. The software is free and far superior to wmv or mpg files. Applies to Windows and Mac machines.

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EPISODE CLIPS

Prior Episode Video Clips

From Jet - 5.16 - So...Good Talk - Video Clips

From Jet - 5.15 - Jews and Chinese Food Video Clips

From Jet - 5.14 - Say Something - Video Clips

From Jojo - 5.14 - Say Something Clips

From Jet - 5.13 - Wedding Bell Blues - Video Clips

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OTHER CLIPS

From SnowWalk and Genevieve - Behind the Scenes of the 100th episode

Folie · 04-16-2005, 02:27 PM

NEW THREAD!!! Jim You're an angel! You've got wings baby!!!!!!!!!!!!

{Double

for 1st post! I've always wanted to be the fist poster on a new thread(I'm vain like that)!}

czarsala · 04-16-2005, 02:59 PM

Wow! I can't leave my house again till the new ep. airs. I went out for a few hours and had to come home and read pages and pages from the last thread. The closer it gets to the new show, the more sick I feel. Why am I nervous?? It is a show right? It doesn't actually affect my REAL life, does it? L&L are not real people are they? How come even though I know the answers to these questions, I still don't believe it. They are real DARN IT!!!! They are!!!!

OK, I've officially cracked up....

Barbara

neves · 04-16-2005, 03:06 PM

new thread - great title

breza · 04-16-2005, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by czarsala

Wow! I can't leave my house again till the new ep. airs. I went out for a few hours and had to come home and read pages and pages from the last thread. The closer it gets to the new show, the more sick I feel. Why am I nervous?? It is a show right? It doesn't actually affect my REAL life, does it? L&L are not real people are they? How come even though I know the answers to these questions, I still don't believe it. They are real DARN IT!!!! They are!!!!

OK, I've officially cracked up....

Barbara

I'm so with you.

New thread! Thanks Jim!

Bessi'sKid · 04-16-2005, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cybertwinkee

Of course Emily wants what is best for Emily--she wants her daughter married to a man she can relate to, a granddaughter in a successful career with the same options in a mate and life. She also wants a relationship with Lorelai no matter what and Luke is a threat no matter what. He doesn't relate to R/E's world and in time Lorelai will likely skip out of FNDs because without Rory there is nothing to bind to her parents. Emily is a scared, desperate woman clinging to a child who doesn't want her and she knows it. The hurt just keeps getting compounded for her. So if she acts out of spite it isn't surprising--

Though her acts may not be surpising, the reasoning does not make them acceptable. All evil comes of fear.

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--just like Lorelai bad-mouthing Emily in a magazine--that's spiteful too but hardly surprising.

First if all, we do know exactly what Lorelai said yet in the article. 'Unkind' is the word released and all in reference to how Lorelai was raised by Emily. And second, there is not evidence it is calculated (as are certain things E & R do) but in response to a question directly asked. I do not not sense the root of this is self-centeredness or spite. Lorelai was asked in a legal deposition about her mother's behavior (towards her maids), and though some of her wording if read on paper looks terrible, knowing the person, you know 1) she always uses colorful language and 2) she was very uncomfortable being in that position and did not relish saying negative things about Emily though it was truthful. And most important of all, Lorelai at least FEELS remorse if she realizes she had been unkind.

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Don't be surprised if you see Lorelai putting the screws to Logan because she disapproves of him but in her case she will be considered a devoted Mom just looking out for her child. The bottom-line is that Lorelai and Emily are both different sides of the same coin. Lorelai has learned to forge a successful mother-daughter relationship, Emily hasn't as yet--maybe that willl come next season with Emily 2.

I would not be suprised at all. I have a mom, and one who is somethimes less than thrilled about some of the guys (or girls) that come over our house. And Lorelai has not approved of all of Rory's guys. In fact, there has not been ONE that she liked at first, and Jess and Dean2 she did not like at all. Did she deny them entrance into her home? No. Was she mean to them? No. Did she put the screws to them? Sure, on particular occations. Did she allow Rory to continue the relationship without constantly harrassing the girl? Yes. And most of this when Rory was a minor. Does Lorelai fear 'loosing' her daughter? Yes. And we have already seen how she is dealing with it - recognizing it, trying not to react to it, and acknowleging that Rory is her own person capable of making her own decisions. Did Emily ever do this for Lorelai? No.

So I suggest to you that Lorelai's feeling for her daugher come of a place totally different from Emily's feeling for her daughter. And it is a big difference.

sealoves · 04-16-2005, 03:23 PM

I'm a new fan.
I have to say that i've been reading the GG threads for some time and i decided its time to come out and let the world know that i love The Gilmore Girls. English is not my natine language so.... sorry for any mistakes i made and will make.

As for Emily and her attitude toward Lorelai.... well we all love differently and show our love in differet ways.... It's just the way Emily was raised. This is how they show their love in her world.

Bessi'sKid · 04-16-2005, 03:30 PM

And there really are some people who don't really love at all.

Folie · 04-16-2005, 03:32 PM

sealoves welcome!

sealoves · 04-16-2005, 03:36 PM

Sure they do.... It's just that some don't let that love show. They ignore it. But we are all born Human. With the capacity to love as much as the next. But some people are raised in a way that they don't see love, they don't feel it and they begin to think that it's a bad thing. But they still have it in them... to love.

sealoves · 04-16-2005, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Folie

sealoves welcome!

Thank's Folie. I was really nervous when deciding to start posting. I've never done this before.

Bessi'sKid · 04-16-2005, 03:39 PM

No, there is only the potential. But potential does not a reality make.

ETA: As you suggest, there is some choice involved.

martasmagdalenas · 04-16-2005, 03:42 PM

New thread!!! Thanks Jim

I am off to sleep, its 1am here

Hi and wellcome Sealoves

Enjoy!

sealoves · 04-16-2005, 03:46 PM

I'll try to explain this as good as i can... I know people that for some reason or another hurt the ones they love by not telling them that they love them and by thinking that the fact that they love that person offers the possibility to control theyre life. It's because they love that they try taking decision in the name of that person. Because they think they know whats better for theire loved ones.
I know that what i just said doesnt make much sense but.... I'll think about it and I'll try to formulate my thoughts better next time..

Thanks martasmagdalenas