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Old 03-03-2007, 11:50 AM
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After watching R&R yesterday, I can guess Lorelai didn't consider it infidelity either given that she excused her sleeping with Chris because he was only engaged to Sherry, not married. I'd forgotten that bit from her until I watched the last scene where Rory is trying to justify having slept with Dean.

I never cared what you call you it - I thought what she did was beyond hurtful and pathetic - whether it was supposedly tecnically infidelity or not. Anyone who would jump into someone's else bed the same night she ended an engagement/relationship is really, to me, pretty pitiful.
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Oh, I'm sure it will be very difficult. I myself have a very hard time letting go of grudges. But it's what has to be done, or Luke and Lorelai will never make it past the hurt and the pain. Though, I wouldn't call it infidelity. I'm sure it hurt Luke just as much as it would have had it been infidelity, but I wouldn't call it that.
And from what I've read & a segment or 2 that I've watched, he's moving toward forgiveness, plus the big "I'm sorries" from both supposely coming up.
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Old 03-03-2007, 12:01 PM
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Random, but one of my favorite Emily/Richard/Lorelai scenes is in Twenty-One is the Loneliest Number, when Emily says "we haven't failed until that girl comes home pregnant"...or something along those lines. And then Lorelai says "and on that note"...and walks out. It was such a good scene. Not good as in heartwarming, obviously, but just so powerful.
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Tara Ashley and Blaab, I don’t think Emily/Lorelai or Lorelai/Luke should play the blame game either, but it’s all about how it’s displayed on screen. I don’t like it that Emily is portrayed as the “bad mean one” again, just in order for Lorelai to be the “innocent victim” who sees the bigger pictures and makes the first step, I never thought it was fair to Luke, making an ass out of him, nor do I think it’s fair how they show Emily now, it just doesn’t fit.
I do know what you are saying and I would have loved to see that one look you spoke about on Emily's face in that last breakfast scene. But I think because I really do not see Lorelai as the innocent victim and haven't seen Emily as the bad mean one (well for about 2 years now ) and did not see Luke as an ass ... but all of them as being flawed and messing up on occasion, I guess I do not have a problem with this ...

And somehow I like the idea (this is all spec) that since Lorelai was the one who left the Gilmore Mansion the way she did with Rory (regardless of her reasons making sense or not ... there is no denying for me that she did leave), that Lorelai will also be the one to try and make the step to try and convince her mom that both should let go of the BS ...
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It made more sense to me that she would specify her relationship with Emily, rather than with Rory, because she and Rory are on good terms again. In terms of pointing out what could be lost, years of interactions, rather than 6 months, makes more of an impact. Of course, I didn't see them painting her as the innocent victim of the evil Emily, either.

And clmorrow, what makes the scene in R&R even better? Chris wasn't engaged to Sherry at the time. That happened after he got the phone call, as far as I could tell. He and Sherry were "on a break", according to what he tells her at Sookie's.
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Old 03-03-2007, 12:23 PM
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I do know what you are saying and I would have loved to see that one look you spoke about on Emily's face in that last breakfast scene. But I think because I really do not see Lorelai as the innocent victim and haven't seen Emily as the bad mean one (well for about 2 years now ) and did not see Luke as an ass ... but all of them as being flawed and messing up on occasion, I guess I do not have a problem with this ...
I certainly don't see Lorelai as the “innocent one” or Emily as the "bad mean one", but from the last ep I got the feeling that they want to portray them that way. I just hope they make the next ep better than this, 'cause it was OOC and didn't feel right to me.

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And somehow I like the idea (this is all spec) that since Lorelai was the one who left the Gilmore Mansion the way she did with Rory (regardless of her reasons making sense or not ... there is no denying for me that she did leave), that Lorelai will also be the one to try and make the step to try and convince her mom that both should let go of the BS ...
That's what I don't like, only Lorelai being the one making the step in the right direction, because it was always shown that both want a better relationship, not only Lorelai. They just never knew how tell each other this.
And I have this bad feeling, that we might see some good moments between Emily and Lorelai and then everything comes crashing down again, like before. Otherwise it wouldn't make for good drama. One good moment between them overshadowed with ten bad, so to speak.
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Old 03-03-2007, 12:37 PM
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Another stupid question, how far is it from SH to Mia, now assuming they go to North Caroline (It was the state indicated on the promo, was that a spoiler or something?) I've worked it out to about 600 miles so I guess they have at least one stop on the way, hence the hotel room.
I posted last night that the scene from the promo where they're in the motel room they're clearly wearing their wedding clothes. So the motel is likely in or near Charlotte. They wouldn't be dressed for the wedding only to get in the car and drive several hours. I don't think, since they can all potentially drive, they have to make any over night stops, except to eat, stretch their legs, and bathroom breaks.
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Hope we get a hospital scene with Luke, Lorelai and Rory, maybe even Emily sees what kind of a man Luke truly is!
Wasn't that supposed to happen in IRBIP?
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Rory and Logan - I disagree with MA - I think this is finally the first time that they actually might be moving forward with the two, since it's an issue that will not only carry over to several episodes, unlike the others that were basically introduced and resolved within a single episode, but it also apparently leads to major life defining/changing decisions for Logan which will undoubtedly involve Rory.
I agree. I don't know what he's smokin. Especially as I would assume he knows where this is heading. This isn's small potatoes, it's big. And both of them have meaty storylines for the first time this season, finally.
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I am not suggesting that there's anything more to it than there was supposed to be at the dinner he and Lorelai attended when the psychologist was there. At that dinner, it wasn't about the Gilmores putting Lorelai and Chris together. That just was an unintended consequence of Lorelai and Luke's breakup. But, face it, Rory is L&C's child and at important occasions involving Rory, they are going to have to suck it up and be in the same room together. And, if and when there is a reuniting of Lorelai and Luke, he is going to have to be just as understanding.
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Again you are right. And yeah, we all make mistakes. But still Lorelai didn't point her flaws, she only pointed Emily's . and I'm sure that her own estragement from Rory should be painful enough to be mentioned.
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And what bugged me the most, was giving Lane advise that her babies would enjoy Mrs. Kim lifestyle, like going to the church and bible course, because Lorelai always wanted to have for Rory a different life and never took into consideration that Rory could enjoy Emily’s way of life.
I disagree. I think the scene with Lane was the first time I've really seen Lorelai take account for her transgressions during the rift. She's finally accepted that Rory's decisions might not be her own. That Rory might choose a lifestyle more similar to the one Lorelai left behind and it might make her happy. I loved that scene with Lane, because to me it was one of the few times that Lorelai took responsibility for the fact that she'd done things wrong. And I don't think you can look at one over the other, both matter. And I hope, perhaps, that translates into things with her relationship with Emily, as well. We'll see this week.

And 2GGObsessed, I think we all have to accept that the central conflict is Emily/Lorelai and if we get peace and some acceptance there, the other will naturally happen. Richard's told her he's proud of her before, he's given her opportunities to broaden herself. He ended up siding with her during the rift. They're much further along than Lorelai & Emily. Have been for a while.
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Old 03-03-2007, 12:54 PM
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I disagree. I think the scene with Lane was the first time I've really seen Lorelai take account for her transgressions during the rift. She's finally accepted that Rory's decisions might not be her own. That Rory might choose a lifestyle more similar to the one Lorelai left behind and it might make her happy. I loved that scene with Lane, because to me it was one of the few times that Lorelai took responsibility for the fact that she'd done things wrong. And I don't think you can look at one over the other, both matter. And I hope, perhaps, that translates into things with her relationship with Emily, as well. We'll see this week.
Yeah, that's right, but that’s now twenty years later, I was talking about Rory's childhood and the time before the rift between Lorelai and Rory happened. Like the fact that Lorelai couldn’t imagine that Rory would enjoy a day at the club with Richard playing golf and having fun, well I guess she was also a bit jealous that Rory had an easygoing relationship with E/R, something that Lorelai never had because of the past.
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I was annoyed with Lorelai giving Lane advice about how to deal with Mrs Kim, when she never gave a chance to Emily. Besides, just like Emily and Mrs Kim, Lorelai also was estranged from her daugther for months. She didn't show up at Rory's court date!! And she is only talking to her daughter again because Rory did all the work to fix their relationship.
Maybe this is all part of Lorelai maturing and finally recognizing her past mistakes with her mother/father. It is only through acknowledging her past mistakes and the pain she caused to the people she loved can she hope to make things better, starting with Mrs. Kim and Lane.

Lorelai didn’t have anyone around that she trusted, respected, listened to and who understood what she was going through to point out her mistakes with her mother. She didn’t have anyone that was willing to stand up and represent her. It’s possible that if Lorelai had someone there for her, like she was to Lane, that things would have turned out differently between her and her parents. As a result of Lane’s relationship with Lorelai, she is more likely to heed Lorelai’s words than her mother’s., likewise is Mrs. Kim.

Lane respected Lorelai, their relationship and the difference she made in her life that’s why she was able to ask Rory to be there for her own kids the way Lorelai was to herThis is the underlying theme in these two scenes (Lorelai representing Lane to Mrs. Kim and Lane asking Rory to be her kids’ godparent); someone you know you can turn to and depend on; to help guide you, be understanding and supportive; someone to make the bad days more enjoyable; someone that’s always there for you through the good and bad times. Again the theme is repeated in this conversation.

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Rory: Yeah … big shoes to fill.
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The extra place and the Gilmore Mansion, I doubt it's for Chris or a divorce lawyer, I think it's something on Rory's side, Mitchum and maybe his wife. Who says Lorelai has to be there anyway? Maybe they want to get on better terms and for some reason Lorelai can't be there?

Jason, have fun on the tour!

I'm thinking part of what Lorelai has learnt over the years is how much she missed by cutting Emily out of her life with Rory and she is passing that on to others, it might be the reason she has forgiven her so easily over the last couple of years. No matter how many times she wanted to cut them out they always end up back at FND.

Thanks for the info about the air dates, but I have to wonder are they changing 'cause they know something or are they following other sites?

and caf thanks for the mediavillage stuff, when did they spend time AWAY from Stars Hollow?

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Similarly, Luke and Lorelai need not play the blame game . It doesn't much matter who set off the break-up. It's more about forgiving each other for the mistakes made and moving forward with the resolution to make things work this time around. Because they love each other deeply, and they want to make things work.
ITA right now it doesn't look like they have another fight about what happened, past is done, they are moving on and formally forgiving each other.

Just like the divorce, IMO they are past that, DSR is not gonna show it and we'll probably not hear about it again, like the letter and so many other things that were dropped.

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I never cared what you call you it - I thought what she did was beyond hurtful and pathetic - whether it was supposedly tecnically infidelity or not. Anyone who would jump into someone's else bed the same night she ended an engagement/relationship is really, to me, pretty pitiful.
ITA but I thing they are beyond that now.

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The extra place and the Gilmore Mansion, I doubt it's for Chris or a divorce lawyer, I think it's something on Rory's side, Mitchum and maybe his wife. Who says Lorelai has to be there anyway? Maybe they want to get on better terms and for some reason Lorelai can't be there?

Jason, have fun on the tour!

I'm thinking part of what Lorelai has learnt over the years is how much she missed by cutting Emily out of her life with Rory and she is passing that on to others, it might be the reason she has forgiven her so easily over the last couple of years. No matter how many times she wanted to cut them out they always end up back at FND.

Thanks for the info about the air dates, but I have to wonder are they changing 'cause they know something or are they following other sites?

and caf thanks for the mediavillage stuff, when did they spend time AWAY from Stars Hollow?

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ITA right now it doesn't look like they have another fight about what happened, past is done, they are moving on and formally forgiving each other.

Just like the divorce, IMO they are past that, DSR is not gonna show it and we'll probably not hear about it again, like the letter and so many other things that were dropped.
They do have a reputation for dropping issues or half explaining them. But that's been going on for years.
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Maybe this is all part of Lorelai maturing and finally recognizing her past mistakes with her mother/father. It is only through acknowledging her past mistakes and the pain she caused to the people she loved can she hope to make things better, starting with Mrs. Kim and Lane.
I still want to see her doing something to fix her relationship with her parents. Despite of their differences, it took one little rant from Lane about how that would be her last party, because after her sons were born she would be like her mother to make Mrs Kim a supporter of the party. And this is something that Lorelai still has to give to Emily.

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We don't know that for sure. Didn't Sookie and even Rory in earlier seasons try to point out Lorelai's stuborness towards her parents? If I recall, Lorelai wouldn't hear any reason from anyone who tried to say that she should be more flexible with her parents.
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I still want to see her doing something to fix her relationship with her parents. Despite of their differences, it took one little rant from Lane about how that would be her last party, because after her sons were born she would be like her mother to make Mrs Kim a supporter of the party. And this is something that Lorelai still has to give to Emily.
This is yet another reason they need season 8, there is barely enough time for L&L to hook up let alone all the other stuff to be fixed in Lorelai's life, and that includes Chris, yes I hate him but do we really think he will not appear in S8 if it happens?
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