Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #172 ~ Who Moved My Gazebo? - Page 7

Sandlynn · 03-03-2007, 10:56 AM

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Maybe the extra seat is for a divorce lawyer for Lorelai. Remember what a big deal she made of Luke getting his divorce at Mailboxes, etc.

I can't imagine someone inviting their divorce lawyer to dinner with their parents, their daughter, and their daughter's boyfriend ... if these are, indeed, the other people involved. Divorces aren't social events. At least, they didn't used to be. They are usually worked out between the parties in a lawyer's office or, if need be, a judge's chambers, if that. Besides, I don't think we received any casting notices for a new person for that episode, did we?

I also doubt that Emily and Richard would invite Mitchum to dinner. Not considering the bad blood that now exists between them. Furthermore, I don't think they would get involved in any dispute between Logan and his family. That would be very presumptuous. Logan's a 25 year old man who needs to decide for himself whether he wants to make amends with his father or not. Besides that, there is no indication that Mitchum is making another appearance. When asked if Gregg Henry would be returning, MC, in his latest interview, said that he would return for a short bit (or something like that). I took that to mean for the short scene in 7.17 that is in the DC.

La Linn · 03-03-2007, 11:01 AM

yeah I took at the same way as 7.17 is the last episode for Gregg Henry on GG but it would have been nice if the writing staff had written some Gilmore/Huntzberger meeting this year.

blaab · 03-03-2007, 11:14 AM

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I was annoyed with Lorelai giving Lane advice about how to deal with Mrs Kim, when she never gave a chance to Emily. Besides, just like Emily and Mrs Kim, Lorelai also was estranged from her daugther for months. She didn't show up at Rory's court date!! And she is only talking to her daughter again because Rory did all the work to fix their relationship.

But where was Lorelai saying she has NOT made any mistakes or has not been estranged from her mom or her daughter. Or where did she say her mom or her daugter made mistakes? This was about Lane and Mrs. Kim. Just because she tried to make things right between Lane and Mrs. Kim doesn't mean she finds herself flawless. If anyone that has made mistakes can't advice others on similar matters, not much advice would be given in this world

To me it just showed that Lorelai is seeing more clearly how this all happened and how she also has a part in that. She didn't blame Lane or Mrs. Kim in any way over the other. She just emphazised I guess what is important. And her realising this more and more will I think lead to some positive movement between her and her mom ...

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LORELAI: She doesn't agree with all your decisions. However, she knows how much you love and respect her. Don't you, Lane?

LANE: Of course I do.

That even though there is disagreeance, this in no way means there is no love and respect. And I guess both Emily and Lorelai made the wrong assumption by disagreeing with each other that the other also did not love and respect them! And I think that is where the messiness started and can now be somewhat resolved again ...

gilmorebrazil · 03-03-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikette (View Post)

Maybe the extra seat is for a divorce lawyer for Lorelai. Remember what a big deal she made of Luke getting his divorce at Mailboxes, etc.

But isn't 7.18 too late to the Gilmores start thinking about a divorce lawyer for Lorelai?

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But where was Lorelai saying she has NOT made any mistakes or has not been estranged from her mom or her daughter.

You are right, Lorelai didn't say that she didn't make mistakes. But she pointed to Mrs Kim how much Emily lost of hers and Rory's lives for beeing controlling and didn't mention her own problem with Rory.

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Just because she tried to make things right between Lane and Mrs. Kim doesn't mean she finds herself flawless. If anyone that has made mistakes can't advice others on similar matters, not much advice would be given in this world

Again you are right. And yeah, we all make mistakes. But still Lorelai didn't point her flaws, she only pointed Emily's

. and I'm sure that her own estragement from Rory should be painful enough to be mentioned.

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To me it just showed that Lorelai is seeing more clearly how this all happened and how she also has a part in that. She didn't blame Lane or Mrs. Kim in any way over the other. She just emphazised I guess what is important.

Well, I get that DSR main focus with this storyline was to show that Lorelai has matured and is ready to try to fix some things with her mother (which I think we'll hopefuly see next week). But at same time, last episode came out trying to sell Lorelai as a more understanding mother (otherwise whe wouldn't have had the Lane/Rory "will you be my Lorelai Gilmore" scene). And there is where I disagree.

blaab · 03-03-2007, 11:21 AM

Since there was mention of Paris possibly being in ep 18, maybe she joins them (Lorelai, Rory, Logan) at a dinner at the Gilmore Mansion ... I would definitely like that! Would make more sense to me than a divorce lawyer

pimbolina · 03-03-2007, 11:23 AM

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I didn't get that at all from this episode. I just saw a wistful Lorelai who was sorry her mother had missed moments like these -- I didn't see a blame game at all. I don't think the comparison between Lane/Mrs. Kim and Lorelai/Emily was meant to go any farther than that there are great, generational differences that can be resolved when they show respect and love for one another.

I see it a bit differently.
Yeah Lorelai was sorry that her mother missed so much, but nevertheless blamed Emily because she thought she was overcontrolling. But Lorelai was the one who shut her parents completely out of her life, that was Lorelai's decision alone.

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Yep, was just writing something similar Tara ... post it anyway

Sandra, I did not see Lorelai blaming anyone. She merely mentioned this:

She didn't say her mom was to blame at all. Or I didn't hear that. She was just as much drawing a line in the sand (with the xmas party) so she could have easily been speaking about herself. But I felt Lorelai does not care about that anymore ... who was right, who was wrong ... her mom cares and worried, that is what matters. Not who wins ... I really felt she could finally see the bigger picture. And I guess it will be even more clearer that her mom did care and all when she finds out in the next ep that Emily already met Mia ...

I knew we would disagree about this Blaab. But like Gilmorebrazil said:

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I was annoyed with Lorelai giving Lane advice about how to deal with Mrs Kim, when she never gave a chance to Emily. Besides, just like Emily and Mrs Kim, Lorelai also was estranged from her daugther for months. She didn't show up at Rory's court date!! And she is only talking to her daughter again because Rory did all the work to fix their relationship.

I agree, nothing more to add.

And what bugged me the most, was giving Lane advise that her babies would enjoy Mrs. Kim lifestyle, like going to the church and bible course, because Lorelai always wanted to have for Rory a different life and never took into consideration that Rory could enjoy Emily’s way of life.

Lorelai’s sees others faults, but not her own.

landlfan01 · 03-03-2007, 11:27 AM

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yeah I took at the same way as 7.17 is the last episode for Gregg Henry on GG but it would have been nice if the writing staff had written some Gilmore/Huntzberger meeting this year.

I thought they made a big deal with him coming back & then didn't really go anywhere with it. Maybe because of the (what's their name girls?) didn't really go over either.

Tara Ashley · 03-03-2007, 11:35 AM

Blaab, word to your post above.

At this point in time --with regards to practically everything, from Lorelai and Luke to Emily and Lorelai-- it's time to put the past aside and look at the whole picture. It doesn't matter who shut who out twenty two years ago. What matters is that now, in 2007, they can see that they both love and respect each other greatly, and that ultimately, they both want the best for each other. I would like a little affection to be thrown in there, but perhaps it's not in the cards. Regardless, the bottom line should be that they can look past their differences if they will only accept each other for who they are. And I think we are definitely seeing some of this. I think Lorelai does recognize her faults -- who's to say that her speech to Lane about her kids maybe wanting to go to church was not an indication of this? Maybe she has realized that Rory appreciates some things that she does not, and that's ok.

Similarly, Luke and Lorelai need not play the blame game . It doesn't much matter who set off the break-up. It's more about forgiving each other for the mistakes made and moving forward with the resolution to make things work this time around. Because they love each other deeply, and they want to make things work.

You can even throw the estrangement in this mix. Rory and Lorelai have been very supportive of one another since the separation. It belongs in the past as well.

clmorrow · 03-03-2007, 11:35 AM

Lorelai's 40 years old - her parents should have nothing to do with her divorce lawyer - she can and should take care of that herself. I could see maybe getting a reference for a lawyer from her parents, but nothing more by way of their involvement, let alone a dinner.

blaab · 03-03-2007, 11:36 AM

Yep, no surprise on us disagreeing on this Sandra

I think it boils down to this for me. I see it as promising and hopefull, the fact that Lorelai could look at it like that when about Lane and Mrs. Kim, makes me feel she will or is already seeing it more like that between her and her mom. Therefor I think she will make some positive steps soon towards Emily.

Great post Tara!

landlfan01 · 03-03-2007, 11:40 AM

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Similarly, Luke and Lorelai need not play the blame game either. It doesn't much matter who set off the break-up. It's more about forgiving each other for the mistakes made and moving forward with the resolution to make things work this time around. Because they love each other deeply, and they want to make things work.

Forgiving infidelity is hard though. Even though it has been said, that Lorelai had the green light to go from Luke's house to Chris''s bed in the same night.

Tara Ashley · 03-03-2007, 11:43 AM

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Forgiving infidelity is hard though. Even though it has been said, that Lorelai had the green light to go from Luke's house to Chris''s bed in the same night.

Oh, I'm sure it will be very difficult. I myself have a very hard time letting go of grudges. But it's what has to be done, or Luke and Lorelai will never make it past the hurt and the pain. Though, I wouldn't call it infidelity. I'm sure it hurt Luke just as much as it would have had it been infidelity, but I wouldn't call it that.

2ggObsessed · 03-03-2007, 11:43 AM

Good afternoon all. Congrats Sandlynn on reaching 6000+. Thanks to everyone (lorelaisgirl, Craig, Caf and anyone else I have forgotten) who provided new information and blaab for the new thread.

I sound like someone making an acceptance speech at an award ceremony but then again FF could be considered an award of sorts.

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I see alot of whats going on now as the writers tieing up loose ends so the series can come to an end. Lorelai reaching an understanding with her parents is definitely one of those.

Lorealai still has a good way to go before loose ends with both her parents are tied up. So far, we’ve seen Lorelai and Emily coming to some kind of understanding with each other with the hope of final acceptance. However, we haven’t seen much movement yet between Lorelai and her father.

Even though Lorelai was there with him in the hospital room in IRBIP, we haven’t seen any one-on-one scenes similar to those in F&S and CR. We’ve seen many one-on-one scenes with Emily. I still feel that there is some unfinished business between Richard and Lorelai which was started in that touching scene in CR after Richard defended her to Straub. At the end of their confrontation, Lorelai left the study deeply hurt after telling him “So, we just end it here … nothing resolved?

I would like to see these two come to a better understanding and acceptance of each other. It would be nice to seem them able to have light hearted conversations similar to those with Rory. Richard participating with Lorelai and Rory in their mock interview when he was walking in the hospital halls in FWP was really nice to see. This shows that he has a sense of humor and can be just as silly as Lorelai when he wants to and when he loosens up. Still this all occurred when Emily and Rory were around.

I love the dynamics of the Emily and Lorelai relationship but even better (IMO) is the dynamic of her relationship with her father which, though similar to Emily’s, is more guarded, distant and somewhat tentative. Richard is such an imposing figure, yet there is so much unspoken love and pride between the two of them.

I can sense more of a need in Lorelai for his approval and her need to prove herself to him and make him proud of her. Because Richard rarely says much to Lorelai, when he does express his disapproval, I believe his words carry more weight and are more cutting to her than her mother’s. The wall between the two of them still needs to be been broken down completely.

blaab · 03-03-2007, 11:47 AM

Speaking of ... Anyone know that song by Alanis Morissette, called This Grudge ... love it ... here are the lyrics.

Great post 2GGObsessed. I think I don't prefer the one dynamic over the other, but I definitely love the way you described Lorelai/Richard. And I would also love to see more of them.

pimbolina · 03-03-2007, 11:49 AM

Tara Ashley and Blaab, I don’t think Emily/Lorelai or Lorelai/Luke should play the blame game either, but it’s all about how it’s displayed on screen. I don’t like it that Emily is portrayed as the “bad mean one” again, just in order for Lorelai to be the “innocent victim” who sees the bigger pictures and makes the first step, I never thought it was fair to Luke, making an ass out of him, nor do I think it’s fair how they show Emily now, it just doesn’t fit.