Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #172 ~ Who Moved My Gazebo? - Page 13

clmorrow · 03-04-2007, 07:30 AM

While watching R&R the other day, I realized we haven't heard Luke utter "jeez" all season - have we? I miss so many layers of this great character. If I was just tuning into the show this season, Luke would be boring the heck out of me....Just watching the great Luke rant that lead them to their first kiss reminded, yet again, of how much they have taken away from his character...sniff.

I can't imagine for a second this show without AB - but, even if were to consider it, it would mean more screen time for LG who has said numerous times now that she is tired and she doesn't have a life - and LG has clearly nixed the idea of the show without AB.

Lorelai without Rory? Can't even fathom that.

Captain Hawkeye · 03-04-2007, 08:11 AM

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A more accurate analogy would be if Yale expelled Rory for the felony, then she joined Colin and Finn for a year of playing poker and jumping off cliffs. Eventually she found her way back to academia. And the series ends with her walking back into a classroom at some local college, with an implied hope that she will get that degree and even end up in journalism - but NOT in the way that we always imagined.

Interesting. Does this mean that you hated Lorelai's relationship(s) with Max? Or Digger? Were they not part and parcel of who Lorelai is every bit as much as Christopher? And why is Christopher different from Luke getting married?

gjoni · 03-04-2007, 09:23 AM

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Personally, I'd love to see a Hannah and Her Sisters ending for Lorelai. A huge family dinner table, surrounded by broken individuals who never thought they'd find love outside or inside their family. But they do, in the least expectant people or manner.

I really liked the Thanksgiving gatherings in that movie, and when ASP was aboard, because she apparently loved the movie, I believed we'd get such a scene. We got a semblence of it at the DF with Liz's Ren. faire friends. But I'd love to see that again, not necessarily as an ending. Extended family and friends sharing a holiday or event, perhaps even celebrating Rory's graduation with everyone there for her.

And hope you have grand, informative tours, JSW & Sarah! Maybe you'll get to see some new town festivity being set up in the square.

caf123 · 03-04-2007, 09:51 AM

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Interesting. Does this mean that you hated Lorelai's relationship(s) with Max? Or Digger? Were they not part and parcel of who Lorelai is every bit as much as Christopher? And why is Christopher different from Luke getting married?

Because Christopher neglected his child for many years, and has never experienced any consequences or even shown serious remorse - he's occasionally regretted what he missed, but never shown remorse on Rory's behalf.

He tried to destroy Lorelai's happiness in WBB, he slept with her in Partings, he literally left Sherry holding the baby for two years - his destructive selfishness repeatedly hurts other people. That he's never paid, that other people always pay the price for his selfishness, makes him contemptible. IMO, of course - but you knew that.

Christopher is different because he's reprehensible. Lorelais compromised herself by marrying him, in a fundamental way. That's the difference.

If she had entered a rebound relationship or marriage with anyone else, any decent human being, I would feel differently.

She didn't repudiate him and yes, he's now part and parcel of who she is. That's why I feel offended looking at her, which is probably why I didn't enjoy recent episodes despite the relief of his being gone.

lilmelodie · 03-04-2007, 10:14 AM

Caf, I get that you are bothered by Christopher and all of that. But what about letting go? Forgiveness? Acceptance? Moving on?

gjoni · 03-04-2007, 10:22 AM

lilmelodie, I'm glad the show let go of Christopher.

I'd like him to be there for Rory's graduation, though, because I think it would be extremely important to her.

BTW, did they have child lock devices in cars when Lorelai was a child?
Imagine how much easier it would've been to raise her nowadays ....

I hope the girls have a talk on the trip, that let's them all be more forgiving and accepting towards each other and allows a bit of growth, as well. Though Lorelai chattering away, makng puns and "misbehavin'" around her parents to some degree, should never be eliminated. It won't be her, just like rantless Luke is too different at times (I believe ranting Luke will be back for Lorelai and/or when Taylor comes back.)

La Linn · 03-04-2007, 10:41 AM

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Caf, I get that you are bothered by Christopher and all of that. But what about letting go? Forgiveness? Acceptance? Moving on?

Caf you don't seem to enjoy any part of the show anymore. It's five episodes left of the entire show, if you want to enjoy the end of it you need to hurry up and do the things lilmelody said.

blaab · 03-04-2007, 10:43 AM

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Emily/Lorelai went backwards so many times that I lost count.
One or two good moments between them simply aren’t enough for me anymore, when in the end it’s back to before or even worse. They have to turn that around, a good common understanding between them, with one or two bad moments would be fine, if it’s made clear that they moved on and can keep their achievements longer than one ep. I don’t expect them to have the best mother/daughter relationship in history ever or to be like Lorelai/Rory over night, they will never have that, and I like their fights, but I would like to see some permanent improvement. But with the way they write Emily I’m not sure if they are able to do this in a believable way for me.

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Sandra - I agree, they really have to do some freaking good writing if they want a better understanding of Emily and Lorelai sound plausible. I still support the confrontation-theory, only plausible thing to come up with, imo. At least at that time.

Yep, I do agree with that Sandra and Riska. It will need pretty damn good writing that will be convincing enough for the viewers to believe there is permanent progress made in this relationship and not just a temporary moment of understanding... I do think the writers will be able to pull it off though ... or well hoping for it

I also think they will use the confrontation-theory ... so that spec has a name now, nice

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But what about letting go? Forgiveness? Acceptance? Moving on?

Yep, both the characters and the viewers I guess

Sandlynn · 03-04-2007, 10:47 AM

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Caf, I get that you are bothered by Christopher and all of that. But what about letting go? Forgiveness? Acceptance? Moving on?

This sounds similar to what Luke said to Liz's "bitter women's group" in Driving Miss Gilmore.

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LUKE: So, can I get you ladies anything, compassion, perspective?

FuzzyCerts · 03-04-2007, 10:55 AM

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She didn't repudiate him and yes, he's now part and parcel of who she is. That's why I feel offended looking at her, which is probably why I didn't enjoy recent episodes despite the relief of his being gone.

I couldn`t have said it better.

gjoni · 03-04-2007, 11:20 AM

Why do we find it necessary to expect acceptance of characters on the show, yet find it so difficult to accept people here, who just think differently about them?

blaab · 03-04-2007, 11:36 AM

I personally feel this is not about accepting other peoples POV on the characters or not, but simply a case of people on a Forum also replying to other posters POVs ... there is a dynamic here (of course). I did not read people not accepting other posters but I only read a question and some responses to that. Seems to be what we do here all the time.

I totally accept other posters POV and them feeling differently about some characters, that does not mean I don't also have a response to that opinion, which is my opinion on that matter. Which on this matter (we are talking about that right

) is feeling that acceptance, forgiveness, letting go is I feel the way to go in general (so also for posters and characters I guess). Again this in no way means all posters have to feel that way. That is just my perspective ... and that is all it is ... MINE

Sandlynn · 03-04-2007, 11:38 AM

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Why do we find it necessary to expect acceptance of characters on the show, yet find it so difficult to accept people here, who just think differently about them?

Because this is a message/discussion board, and with opinions like that, there is no room for discussion. It's basically over before it's begun. However, if people with a different point of view say nothing at all, it's like one is turning over the tenor of the board, the opinion of the board, to one side, suggesting that they are *the word* on how one should view a character. In other words, you're damned if you do say anything and you're damned if you don't.

GEORGEIII · 03-04-2007, 11:50 AM

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I really liked the Thanksgiving gatherings in that movie, and when ASP was aboard, because she apparently loved the movie, I believed we'd get such a scene. We got a semblence of it at the DF with Liz's Ren. faire friends. But I'd love to see that again, not necessarily as an ending. Extended family and friends sharing a holiday or event, perhaps even celebrating Rory's graduation with everyone there for her.

I would not mind a Hannah and her Sisters ending to GG at all, provided that Logan joined Rory along with everybody else at the table. I think it would be rather nice, actually (assuming it had been set up properly by the writing staff; but that is another kettle of fish altogether.)

gjoni · 03-04-2007, 11:58 AM

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Because this is a message/discussion board, and with opinions like that, there is no room for discussion. It's basically over before it's begun. However, if people with a different point of view say nothing at all, it's like one is turning over the tenor of the board, the opinion of the board, to one side, suggesting that they are *the word* on how one should view a character. In other words, you're damned if you do say anything and you're damned if you don't.

Opinions like what?

There is room for dicussions and debate and expressing opinions about everything here. We don't and won't all think alike, we have our POVs and discuss those all the time. But accept the person. As long as they don't expect me to hate/love the show/Christopher/Lorelai/Luke/Rory/Logan/SL/showrunner etc. as they do, but rather express their opinions, even defending them with a passion as we all may want to do about our own POV, then I don't want to expect anything of them either, other than to respect me and my POV. That's how I feel, I hope it makes some sense. In no way was I saying we have to agree with everyone and everything said here, how is that even possible ?