Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #172 ~ Who Moved My Gazebo? - Page 12

gilmorebrazil · 03-04-2007, 12:32 AM

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Sadly, you're not allowed to take pictures inside the soundstages.

Wasn't there some report that they were taking Logan's TriBeCa loft down? That only the basic outline was still visible (and this was somewhere last week)?

I didn't remember if the report said that was Logan's apartment for sure, only that was something in the Yale soundstage.

Thank you for the informations

lorelaisgirl · 03-04-2007, 01:21 AM

From midorable's tour report:

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~ Got to tour Logan's NY apt. Most stuff was gone already, you can still see the lay out. If you go thru the apt door, there's a nice curve thru the entry way. The bed is on the right side, and a fireplace in the middle. Very chic kitchen.

I'd say they're taking it down. Poor TriBeCa-loft... Where's Logan gonna live now?

Cappuccino · 03-04-2007, 02:12 AM

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From midorable's tour report:

I'd say they're taking it down. Poor TriBeCa-loft... Where's Logan gonna live now?

Maybe he's moving in with Rory for a change

I bet Paris will be thrilled

blaab · 03-04-2007, 02:13 AM

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The way I look at it is she can't go backward. What's in the past is in the past. The pain, hurt, bad decisions, on all sides, they're in the past. Yes, Lorelai was both surprised and jealous in KMN, and she's been jealous of Rory's relationship with E&R in the past on multiple occasions. However, no one, Emily nor Lorelai can change what is. They can only acknowledge past errors, ask for forgiveness, and try to not make the same mistakes again in the future. They can't change what happened. And I feel like that is happening.

I couldn't agree more. If anything has been shown in the Emily/Lorelai relationship it is the negative results staying stuck in old ways and holding on to the pain and hurt based in past can have. The only way forward and out of this is letting go. And I guess this show has showed many characters and couples struggling with this. Which make sense of course ... since I do feel to some extent how we deal with the past somehow does determine how happy we are NOW.

There is no undoing what has happened in the past. All that can be done is find some resolvement and forgive and ask for some!

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I understand your feeling, but how can they change what's done now?

Exactly! I think the same thing does apply to the viewers also. Sure, it would be great if some that were dissapointed still get some lemonade. But the past has to be acknowledged though and it does has consequences. And I guess the sweetness of the lemonade is affected by that. And I guess I do feel that is also part of accepting what has happened.

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In any event, my point wasn't that the outcome is somehow "lesser" but that's it's different. And why my original analogy is less accurate, I don't know. It, in fact, addresses exactly what everyone apparently thinks Lorelai wants: a marriage, more children, and a family. Just as Francis did in *the movie*, "Under the Tuscon Sun". Francis, however, didn't get those things exactly as she envisioned, but she got them. Francis wasn't being punished, she didn't do anything wrong, and the outcome wasn't second best. The revelation for her was that the things she wanted were there all along. She *had* achieved her dream.

I think many people base their wishes on the past, while not always taking the time to question them later in life. Many seem to accept those wishes somehow as fact: This is what I want PERIOD. But I can imagine Lorelai thinking is this still what I want? People change and therefor I feel also wants and needs. I can definitely see how Lorelai now looking at things differently (that is what I am expecting and seeing some of that already), letting go of the past and I guess more living in the present might also change these wishes. Things like that are not set in stone. And that change I feel can definitely also lead to her ending in a situation that is not exactly what she envisioned years ago, but turns out to be exactly what she wants!

Sarah, of course I hope you have lots of fun also in LA!

pimbolina · 03-04-2007, 02:23 AM

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The way I look at it is she can't go backward. What's in the past is in the past. The pain, hurt, bad decisions, on all sides, they're in the past. Yes, Lorelai was both surprised and jealous in KMN, and she's been jealous of Rory's relationship with E&R in the past on multiple occasions. However, no one, Emily nor Lorelai can change what is. They can only acknowledge past errors, ask for forgiveness, and try to not make the same mistakes again in the future. They can't change what happened. And I feel like that is happening.

Emily/Lorelai went backwards so many times that I lost count.
One or two good moments between them simply aren’t enough for me anymore, when in the end it’s back to before or even worse. They have to turn that around, a good common understanding between them, with one or two bad moments would be fine, if it’s made clear that they moved on and can keep their achievements longer than one ep. I don’t expect them to have the best mother/daughter relationship in history ever or to be like Lorelai/Rory over night, they will never have that, and I like their fights, but I would like to see some permanent improvement. But with the way they write Emily I’m not sure if they are able to do this in a believable way for me.

lancer1993 · 03-04-2007, 02:24 AM

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Maybe he's moving in with Rory for a change

I bet Paris will be thrilled

There we go we have the set up for S8, Logan, Rory, Paris and Doyle share and apartment in NYC.

Tara Ashley · 03-04-2007, 02:48 AM

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Which make sense of course ... since I do feel to some extent how we deal with the past somehow does determine how happy we are NOW.

Speaking from personal experience, WORD. Letting go of the past is like lifting a veil-- everything becomes easier, clearer, better, etc. I wonder to what extent this Mia encounter will help Emily and Lorelai put the past aside. Handled properly, this could be a great episode for E/L.

I still think an LL wedding could be a wonderful showcase for the progress made in the Emily/Lorelai/Richard relationship. So much could be done with it.

Mag13 · 03-04-2007, 03:49 AM

Thanks God, not so much to read. It's the positive side of the lack of news or spoilers...

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Similarly, Luke and Lorelai need not play the blame game . It doesn't much matter who set off the break-up. It's more about forgiving each other for the mistakes made and moving forward with the resolution to make things work this time around. Because they love each other deeply, and they want to make things work.

Maybe because I've watched the first episodes of this season once again, I noticed something. I think, there's something to compare between two seemingly different storylines: Lane getting pregnant and the developing of Lorelai and Luke into emotional "grown-up" people after their break-up. 9 months is needed for a child to be born; it was Lane's way she had to go through after "making whopee". We can see L&L inability to communicate what headed to their break up as their "making whopee"; they weren't ready to a stable relationship despite the fact, they loved each other deeply. Their experience after they broke up (Luke-April, Lorelai-Christopher) changed them; they've grown up finally. It could be compared to the process of creating a new man. Lane needed 9 months, Luke and Lorelai needed their "9 months" to be born as new people. Both storylines were written as parallel, and beginning at the same time. A coincidence?
We like metaphors, don't we?

GEORGEIII · 03-04-2007, 04:18 AM

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A more accurate analogy would be if Yale expelled Rory for the felony, then she joined Colin and Finn for a year of playing poker and jumping off cliffs. Eventually she found her way back to academia. And the series ends with her walking back into a classroom at some local college, with an implied hope that she will get that degree and even end up in journalism - but NOT in the way that we always imagined.

Given the way she has been written since the series started, I don't know that there was ever a chance that the writers would dream up this ending for Rory.

GEORGEIII · 03-04-2007, 04:21 AM

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What I want to know is what will they do with Paris next season? She's off to medical school and Rory could be off to the New York Times, so will they meet for lunch to bitch about stuff? All I can think of is Rory and Logan spend some time apart. So Rory and Paris get an apartment, don't know about Doyle, maybe they broke up? Or fo some reason the only intern ship Paris can get is at the Times also?

Any other options?

Well, not sure really, but if the writers go for Rory living in Manhattan, having "Paris scenes" wouldn't be that hard if the writers have Paris attend school at Cornell Med, since that's located in the middle of Manhattan.

lancer1993 · 03-04-2007, 04:37 AM

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Well, not sure really, but if the writers go for Rory living in Manhattan, having "Paris scenes" wouldn't be that hard if the writers have Paris attend school at Cornell Med, since that's located in the middle of Manhattan.

Well I don't know much about NYC but if Paris is going to med school and Rory's and the NY Times then I only see contact out side of work, I just wonder if DSR has any plans for Paris. As far as I can see all other main character are okay.

La Linn · 03-04-2007, 05:13 AM

It would be easier for DR to just have Rory going to grad school and her visiting SH a lot. I doubt anyone want to watch that show though. Now we want to see Rory out of school, working as a reporter in NY.

landlfan01 · 03-04-2007, 05:41 AM

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It's english.

oooookay.

Spikette · 03-04-2007, 06:10 AM

If they wanted to, they could keep Paris in the show by giving her character mini-storylines that don't necessarily involve Rory. They did that with Lane...Lane was a little easier because she was in SH, but they did have several scenes about her interacting with the band, her college"friends" and her mom that did not involve the main characters. Since Paris is a series regular, they could legitimately do the same thing with her.

Riska · 03-04-2007, 06:47 AM

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If they wanted to, they could keep Paris in the show by giving her character mini-storylines that don't necessarily involve Rory. They did that with Lane...Lane was a little easier because she was in SH, but they did have several scenes about her interacting with the band, her college"friends" and her mom that did not involve the main characters. Since Paris is a series regular, they could legitimately do the same thing with her.

As much as I love Paris, I hope they don't. The show aka the plots are already too widespread, 'causing the authors to forget about characters and relationships for too long, writing a meaningless scene just to have them on the show or ending plots abruptly because they've no time to finish telling it propperly. Nope, they should concentrate on the basics again. Lorelai. Rory. Emily. Family - loves attached, all shaked well and with a lace of SH.

Sandra - I agree, they really have to do some freaking good writing if they want a better understanding of Emily and Lorelai sound plausible. I still support the confrontation-theory, only plausible thing to come up with, imo. At least at that time.