Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S # 168 ~ We All Need Some Luke's Coffee - Page 15

blaab · 02-25-2007, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by genki (View Post)

Jason everyone is guilty of nutjobbery but this lj takes it to a new level. Its a bunch of gutless wonders who don't have the balls to face people with their issues. If you think you are being singled out, I can't make you feel otherwise. But, its time this hypocracy ends. I am angry! I am angry that people go after others publicly cause they disagree and I am angry that people retaliate. I am mad that this place is no longer fun. I am angry that I have noticed posters go from being respectful to venomous in one year. I am angry that the fans of this show are so cruel to each other. I am angry that you don't understand that you have to be responsible for yourself as well as taking offense to the way others post. I am angry that I too have fallen prey to this stupidity. Above all I am angry that the sense of community among gg fans is essentially DEAD!

I agree that everyone is guilty of nutjobbery. And I agree that this lj is also part of it. But it is I believe not only on this lj that there are a bunch of gutless wonders who don't have the balls to face people with their issues directly!

But regardless of that I do very much agree though that this hypocrisy NEEDS to end. On ALL levels. And not just this lj that now suddenly gets the attention. That I have not read and will not read.

Why in the world you would single out Jason again in this post that seems to be a general one in all other aspects blows my mind though. Or maybe you are talking about the general YOU ... then sorry, my mistake!

Again I do agree though that this madness needs to stop, but I was feeling that already regardless of this lj ... that again I am assuming have some more madness on it ...

Shu · 02-25-2007, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by blaab (View Post)

I agree that everyone is guilty of nutjobbery. And I agree that this lj is also part of it. But it is I believe not only on this lj that there are a bunch of gutless wonders who don't have the balls to face people with their issues directly!

But regardless of that I do very much agree though that this hypocrisy NEEDS to end. On ALL levels. And not just this lj that now suddenly gets the attention. That I have not read and will not read.

Why in the world you would single out Jason again in this post that seems to be a general one in all other aspects blows my mind though. Or maybe you are talking about the general YOU ... then sorry, my mistake!

Again I do agree though that this madness needs to stop, but I was feeling that already regardless of this lj ...

its a general you.... not one at directed at jason. I was responding to his response to my response to his question.

TheJSW · 02-25-2007, 03:03 AM

Genki, have you read that livejournal? Have you read it? There is some truly venomous stuff over there from people who are not apparently...THE BAD GUYS. See? Even in your post to me...you make me the bad guy...'This I am angry that you don't understand that you have to be responsible for yourself as well as taking offense to the way others post." I have to take responsibility for what? People thinking less of me? I got called out on a grand level for not what I TYPED but what someone ASSUMED I TYPED. Someone assumed I was being a scumbag. I can assume responsibility all day. I have apologized. You might have missed all the times that I have. ETA: If it's a general YOU, then I am more understanding. However, I am not going to edit this, because I honestly feel the above.

Nevertheless, you know why the fandom is not fun anymore? 2 reasons; 1) People still hate Logan. 2) Some folks feel more entitled to their fandom then others. That's my take on this whole deal. Things would be better. IF some folks let things go. Yet, one character, is still hated for no tangible reason associated to this TV show. While some fans feel better or feel more entitled to the other. Again, it's silly, and we need to be led out of the wilderness. However, do we really want to be led out of the wilderness? Do we?

blaab · 02-25-2007, 03:03 AM

Okee, cool! Than my mistake ... it did come across that way, that's why I asked. But if you say it was a general YOU, then well, it was a general YOU.

lorelaisgirl · 02-25-2007, 03:10 AM

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Nevertheless, you know why the fandom is not fun anymore? 2 reasons; 1) People still hate Logan. [..]

Since I've always wondered: how many people exactly hate Logan? General question to everyone. Show of hands please.
(my hands are staying down btw, like, ground level, if not lower)

Shu · 02-25-2007, 03:12 AM

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Genki, have you read that livejournal? Have you read it? There is some truly venomous stuff over there from people who are not apparently...THE BAD GUYS. See? Even in your post to me...you make me the bad guy...'This I am angry that you don't understand that you have to be responsible for yourself as well as taking offense to the way others post." I have to take responsibility for what? People thinking less of me? I got called out on a grand level for not what I TYPED but what someone ASSUMED I TYPED. Someone assumed I was being a scumbag. I can assume responsibility all day. I have apologized. You might have missed all the times that I have. ETA: If it's a general YOU, then I am more understanding. However, I am not going to edit this, because I honestly feel the above.

Nevertheless, you know why the fandom is not fun anymore? 2 reasons; 1) People still hate Logan. 2) Some folks feel more entitled to their fandom then others. That's my take on this whole deal. Things would be better. IF some folks let things go. Yet, one character, is still hated for no tangible reason associated to this TV show. While some fans feel better or feel more entitled to the other. Again, it's silly, and we need to be led out of the wilderness. However, do we really want to be led out of the wilderness? Do we?

You have to take responsibility for the fact that your posting style upsets people. That it is inflammatory. But, you are not alone. You are overly defensive. Its not just "You" as in jason, jsw. Its "you" as in everyone. I had the unfortunate pleasure of reading that disgusting lj. Ther fact that, you, jason, think its a good thing speaks louder than all your posts.

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Frankly, yes there are peoplep that don't like logan but there are more people who like them on this thread. There are individuals that like to hold on to crud from two years ago. There are people who fill themselves up with self-righteous hatred on both sides and who can't seem to understand that linking to an lj like that when you have zero posting histroy is beyond obvious. That when attacks get personal, its gone too far. But, than again some people glory in personal attacks.

TheJSW · 02-25-2007, 03:13 AM

LGirl, if you get an honest answer, that would be rather interesting. Genki, I think it's a good thing, for me. If you want to know how I feel away from this environment. I am easy to spot. That you would once again SINGLE ME OUT for not being happy in your little JJ/SOPHIE BUBBLE is on you. Sorry, my style does nothing but entertain people. If it upsets people...that's you. That's whomever you are. It's a love/hate thing. Two people can read the same post and have two completely different reactions. This happened to me the other night. The person it was intended..felt it. Others thought I was trying to start some ****. If you want to attack my style. Why is it I never feel anything but disdain coming from you? I sometimes feel a rainbow from Bella or Sandlynn on occasion. Heck, caf, even throws in a hearty self-effacing laugh. Yet, with you, I feel like you are coming at me like my mom did when I spelt something on a rug when I was five. That's not a cool feeling to get from a post.

blaab · 02-25-2007, 03:15 AM

Genki, I read Jason's posts and I just don't see him stating anywhere that it is a good thing ... will go read them again ...

I read this by Jason: Craig, apparently, we need a place to settle beefs. That could be our place...to settle beefs. You dig? SHO-NUFF! No it has a place here. After what happened the other night. It has a place. Again, peachy, if you want to chat, then let us chat. Why FF how we feel?

Shu · 02-25-2007, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by blaab (View Post)

Genki, I read Jason's posts and I just don't see him stating anywhere that it is a good thing ... will go read them again ...

Jason edited it

this is what he said originally...

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Craig, apparently, we need a place to settle beefs. That could be our place...to settle beefs. You dig? SHO-NUFF! No it has a place here. After what happened the other night. It has a place. Again, peachy, if you want to chat, then let us chat. Why FF how we feel?

blaab · 02-25-2007, 03:19 AM

Uhhh yeah

We just quoted the same parts, which stated No, it has a place here .... which I thought was a reference to well, here, FF ...

There is no editing, that would be shown in that post right? Or well at the end of it, in small letters ... I don't see that edit-message ... and you wonder why someone gets defensive? The original message is still there, I just quoted the same part from it.

lorelaisgirl · 02-25-2007, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TheJSW

LGirl, if you get an honest answer, that would be rather interesting.

That's what I thought

TheJSW · 02-25-2007, 03:23 AM

Did I edit that post? Really? I forget. Again, genki, no offense, but who do you ride with as a fan of this show? I do not see you in any places where I roll. I see you in one place and this place. You are caught in between a rock and a hard place. That does suck for you. However, you want to be a fan like this. I love Luke, Lorelai, and every character on this show. I LOVE THEM to the EXTREME. Yet, I picked a side, because I was almost forced into it. Since the other side of the coin completely and utterly goes behind my back without every confronting me in a pm about something.

Shu · 02-25-2007, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by blaab (View Post)

Uhhh yeah

We just quoted the same parts, which stated No, it has a place here .... which I thought was a reference to well, here, FF ...

There is no editing, that would be shown in that post right? Or well at the end of it, in small letters ... I don't see that edit-message ...

actually there was....and it shows it at the bottom of the original post....

the salutation to craig and the reference to settling beefs were removed.

blaab · 02-25-2007, 03:25 AM

HUH ... well then there is FF weirdness, because if I go back to that post, that quote is still standing there about the beefs, Craigs name ... without an addition of an edit being made ... I checked 10 seconds ago and it is still there

Seriously ...

Shu · 02-25-2007, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TheJSW

Did I edit that post? Really? I forget. Again, genki, no offense, but who do you ride with as a fan of this show? I do not see you in any places where I roll. I see you in one place and this place. You are caught in between a rock and a hard place. That does suck for you. However, you want to be a fan like this. I love Luke, Lorelai, and every character on this show. I LOVE THEM to the EXTREME. Yet, I picked a side, because I was almost forced into it. Since the other side of the coin completely and utterly goes behind my back without every confronting me in a pm about something.

I don't want to pick a side. I PICK ME! ME MYSELF AND I. I love GG. I love Logan, Lorelai, Luke, Rory, Lane, Paris, and Zack.

You (thats another collective) have chosen to make it into a war which I hate. Not the other side...You have. Those who apparently love the whole show but decide to pick a corner have made it difficult for me to even visit those other places. If you check the main board you'll see I do visit "certain" places. But, maybe there's a reason for not visiting others. Maybe being forced to chose is not nice. One group wants to make it while the other doesn't. But this probably all futile because I will never ever buy into your line of thinking.