Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #167 ~ We Love Logan's Buns - Page 16

currienc · 02-23-2007, 01:47 PM

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Show of hands.....how many of you expect a rip-off of NaCaP and Lorelai buys the boat from Kirk for more than he paid for it and hides it in her garage?

Hah! Actually, that's the first thought that went through my mind. But then I thought, "Naah - even Lorelai would know Kirk wouldn't keep his mouth shut and then Luke would find out and then . . . . " Hmmmm.

blaab · 02-23-2007, 01:49 PM

Ciao, my hand stays down on this one. I am thinking Luke will figure this out for himself or maybe because he overhears something or someone (April maybe ...) will address something related to the boat or about family and history. I am not thinking Lorelai will buy the boat. Could happen of course, just not thinking that ...

Tara, I guess it depends on how you define major bad decisions. I have seen some major ones, but also an accumulation of minor ones that lead to bigger ones ... and

to Barack for me ...

Thanks for the transcript Craig ...

lemon tart · 02-23-2007, 01:50 PM

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And I do not see season 6 as Lorelai's downward spiral. I don't see the mistake after mistake -- only two major ones.

There are two large ones, there are zillions of other small ones that also happened along the way. N&IL centers around her decision to cut Rory loose, so that's all related to the big screw up, and the decision to propose to Luke because of her freakout. But then FF, she chooses to go confront Rory in the middle of the road, driving the wedge deeper. AAGNAG, the childish behavior at the christening, then refusing to take Rory's new cell number. 21ITLN, initially ignoring the invitation to Rory's b-day party. Each of those are smaller, but they make the situation worse.

They make up and she promptly cuts Luke out of the planning of their wedding. Next, April shows up and every single episode she makes the wrong decision to never tell Luke she didn't like how he was handling the situation, that she wanted to get to know April, that she thought it was important. She had to get up every morning and decide to say nothing. Luke cut her out of his life, but she let him do it, as well. Those are bad decision in and of themselves. They lead to the final blowup, but they're still a string of bad decisions.

lancer1993 · 02-23-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by notoutforawalk (View Post)

There are definitely flashbacks in Gilmore Girls Only, with a three year old Rory. I still find it weird that they cast someone who looks so much younger than the original to play Mia, unless they were casting on flashback-ability.

is this a spoiler?

Sorry just catching up some of the posts from overnight.

BTW - thanks for the spell checks guys

gilmorebrazil · 02-23-2007, 01:59 PM

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I don't agree with that either. She told Chris in Haunted Leg :

LORELAI: I know she needs her father, I’ve been telling her she needs her father! But she feels like her father bailed on her and she’s mad and hurt, and I can’t change that in three minutes!

I know that was in reference to Chris bailing in ICGS, but I think it also refers to the broader scope. Lorelai knew Rory needed Chris, but she also knew he couldn't be counted on, and she had to compensate for that. Rather than thinking she was all Rory needed, it was more that she was all Rory had.

I remember that quote from Haunted Leg, but also this one from Those Lazy-Hazy-Crazy Days:

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LORELAI: Okay. Hey Rory, I don’t want you to freeze out your dad because I am.
RORY: I’m not.
LORELAI: ‘Cause I’m fine if you wanna go back to the way things were.
RORY: I think that would be a little hard this time.
LORELAI: Okay, maybe not now, but eventually.
RORY: Eventually, maybe, but for now – solidarity sister.
LORELAI: Ya ya!

Part of Rory's anger toward Christopher was in solidarity to her mother, not just because she felt like "her father bailed on her" and Lorelai was aware of it. And let's not forget Lorelai's sabotage of Christopher's attempt to spend holidays with Rory in season 2 (when he was already living with Sherry).

Does this make Lorelai evil? No. She's human, and was jealous. But the truth is that she didn't always do the best job to detach her unsolved feelings for Christopher from his relationship with their daughter.

Now, I agree that Christopher neglected Rory. Though, IMO, part of his flaws as Rory's father - aside his own inability to detach his role as her father from his undying love for her mother - come from that he was still a child when he became a father.

ETA: lemon, you can add to your list of signals of Lorelai's downward spiral in season 6 her speech at Lane's wedding. That was one of her saddest moments.

Tara Ashley · 02-23-2007, 02:01 PM

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There are two large ones, there are zillions of other small ones that also happened along the way. N&IL centers around her decision to cut Rory loose, so that's all related to the big screw up, and the decision to propose to Luke because of her freakout. But then FF, she chooses to go confront Rory in the middle of the road, driving the wedge deeper. AAGNAG, the childish behavior at the christening, then refusing to take Rory's new cell number. 21ITLN, initially ignoring the invitation to Rory's b-day party. Each of those are smaller, but they make the situation worse.

They make up and she promptly cuts Luke out of the planning of their wedding. Next, April shows up and every single episode she makes the wrong decision to never tell Luke she didn't like how he was handling the situation, that she wanted to get to know April, that she thought it was important. She had to get up every morning and decide to say nothing. Luke cut her out of his life, but she let him do it, as well. Those are bad decision in and of themselves. They lead to the final blowup, but they're still a string of bad decisions.

I don't agree with the entire list, but I do get what you are saying. I just never saw it as a downward spiral -- not that you did, but I'm just saying.

Does anyone else immediately think of "Luke's boat in Lorelai's garage" as a dirty metaphor? I swear I don't usually have a dirty mind, but...

notoutforawalk · 02-23-2007, 02:03 PM

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is this a spoiler?

Sorry just catching up some of the post from overnight.

I would double check, but gossipcom posted that a couple of days ago at TWoP, which is down right now.

lancer1993 · 02-23-2007, 02:08 PM

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Thanks for the transcription Craig.

Show of hands.....how many of you expect a rip-off of NaCaP and Lorelai buys the boat from Kirk for more than he paid for it and hides it in her garage?

No but I'm wondering if Lorelai will storm into the diner asking for her $600 LOL

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I would double check, but gossipcom posted that a couple of days ago at TWoP, which is down right now.

I haven't even had time to go to TWoP this morning, which thread was it on and I'll have a look later also.

3yo Rory, so I guess they are not gonna use KAB

damselfly · 02-23-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gilmorebrazil

Part of Rory's anger toward Christopher was in solidarity to her mother

But that was Rory's choice, it wasn't because Lorelai encouraged it - she didn't have a problem with Rory staying in touch with Chris, and she let her know that.

lorelaisgirl · 02-23-2007, 02:15 PM

7.30PM EST, is that 7.30PM in NYC? Because then that'd be in an hour and 15 minutes...

Spikette · 02-23-2007, 02:19 PM

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7.30PM EST, is that 7.30PM in NYC? Because then that'd be in an hour and 15 minutes...

NYC is EST....but it is 4:20pm here right now.

lorelaisgirl · 02-23-2007, 02:23 PM

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NYC is EST....but it is 4:20pm here right now.

Yeah, you're right; I don't do math that well with a cold

Cappuccino · 02-23-2007, 02:30 PM

The avi version of the DC via send space. I'll have it up on you tube in whenever you tube is ready

Tara Ashley · 02-23-2007, 02:40 PM

I'm out for a few days to visit my best friend. Have a great weekend yall!

Shanti70 · 02-23-2007, 02:40 PM

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I'm guessing that Lorelai decided a long time ago that it was better for Rory to have a relationship with Christopher even if he couldn't/wouldn't be a full-time parent. I don't see that as a wrong or bad decision. Should she have cut Rory completely off from him? I don't think that would have been the right thing to do. They accepted what Chris could offer and Rory seems to completely understand where Chris is coming from and she does not harbor resentment. I'm sure she is disappointed that he was not a better father, but she loves him just the same. I agree with JSW that ASP never intended for Chris to be perceived as a bad person. Flawed, immature, yes. But not evil. They have demostrated many times that Chris knows what he did while Rory was growing up wrong. I guess I just don't understand this whole line of thinking about Lorelai being morally bankrupt because she tried to have a relationship with Chris. She was simply trying to live out a dream she had. She needed to live out the dream to get past it. The dream was stopping her from living her life. Now she is free. I am a die-hard JJ, but I can totally understand what happened in this SL and I can understand why Lorelai did what she did in marrying Chris. I also believe that Lorelai is not solely responsible for the LL breakup and she should not be made to bear the weight of that alone. I understand that there are a great deal of people out there who love Luke, as do I, but he did not deserve to marry Lorelai last year. They were not ready. She needed to let go of the dream and he now needs to see that he can have more than one relationship at a time. He can be both a good father and a good partner/husband and share his life with someone.

Remember, as always, I come in peace.

Great post.

I think Rory knows exactly how her father is and she loves him, but not like she loves her mother. I do think her living without a father has had a negative effect on her life, however. Not trying to negate the importance of mothers as sole parental influences, but many a study has been done that shows having two loving parents is better than one loving parent. Fathers are important to their children.

I do disagree with the second bold part. I don't think that Lorelai had to marry Chris to get him out of her system. I think she went to Chris because she was afraid of being alone and knew he would be there for her. Her actions were motivated by fear, not a desire to see if she could make a go with Chris.

I also think that she was too afraid of really confronting Luke about April when it first happened because she learned that when you confront someone they might turn away from you. She had that lesson twice with Rory. First when she told Rory she was disappointed with Rory sleeping with Dean and again when she confronted Rory about Rory dropping out of Yale.

Lorelai became a fearful person. Not acting out of character, but because she had learned to be afraid of losing a loved one if you showed disapproval in their actions. This was again driven home when she gave Luke the ultimatum about marrying him, and he figuratively turned away from her. She just couldn't deal with it and went to Chris because he could temporarily ease her fears.