Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #167 ~ We Love Logan's Buns - Page 12

gilmorebrazil · 02-23-2007, 07:02 AM

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Lorelai sacrificed her life to raise her kid, and in the end it ruined her.

Ouch. This sums how the Ha(y)dens felt about Rory even before she was born: that her existence would ruin Christopher's future, so since then they didn't share enjoyment for Rory's achievements and happiness. I hope DSR doens't make Lorelai agree with them ever.

caf123 · 02-23-2007, 07:24 AM

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Ouch. This sums how the Ha(y)dens felt about Rory even before she was born: that her existence would ruin Christopher's future, so since then they didn't share enjoyment for Rory's achievements and happiness. I hope DSR doens't make Lorelai agree with them ever.

Point. The irony is that it led to Lorelai's ruin after Rory left home, when her daughter is on the verge of graduating and going out to conquer the world.

But the ghost of Rory's father returns and destroys the independence, the moral center and the caring heart that propelled Lorelai so far over those 21 years - only to lose it all at the very end.

George, How does it benefit Lorelai to gain an 'empire' of worldly success and lose her soul?

lilmelodie · 02-23-2007, 07:25 AM

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Those might be just about the ugliest dresses both Lorelai and Rory have ever worn on this show.

Oh, I agree on Rory's part, but I think the dress Lorelai wore in GB was much worse. At least this one is more flattering to her figure.

clmorrow · 02-23-2007, 07:49 AM

I don't believe Lorelai sacrificed anything by having Rory - unelss someone views her life as only having meaning if there is a man in it, which I personally don't. She adores Rory and has never expressed regret; rather she has been clear in her joy at having had her, so I don't get this concept of her sacrificing her life at all.

Her life has been rich with a great kid, a supportive environment with all the townies in SH, a fortunate match with Sookie to open her dream inn - what has been sacrificed?

We know she will reunite (or at least I'm assuming we do) with Luke and will have her whole package. Not everyone gets their whole package when they hope to - and many never get it it all. She's been luckier than many to have had her teenage mishap turn out as well as it did and she deserves all the credit for that - no one else.

gilmorebrazil · 02-23-2007, 07:57 AM

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Point. The irony is that it led to Lorelai's ruin after Rory left home, when her daughter is on the verge of graduating and going out to conquer the world.

But the ghost of Rory's father returns and destroys the independence, the moral center and the caring heart that propelled Lorelai so far over those 21 years - only to lose it all at the very end.

George, How does it benefit Lorelai to gain an 'empire' of worldly success and lose her soul?

But Lorelai's constant running into Christopher's arms isn't Rory's fault. Maybe we could blame ASP and DSR, but not Rory... We could also blame, you know, Lorelai (it was her choice after all)

And it's time for Lorelai to take some responsibility for her problems. It's easy to blame her parents for her unhappinnes, to blame Luke for not see her unhappiness when they were engaged...

If the writers make Lorelai aware of her part in the failure of her engagement to Luke and also in her estrangement from her parents, she'll end the show in a better place.

And honestly I find really sad when parents blame their failures on their children. I always ask myself why those people became parents in the first place.

clmorrow · 02-23-2007, 08:06 AM

I'm still waitin' to see what impact this so-called "journey" had on Lorelai. So far, I've seen nothing. What was it? Just that she made a mistake and oops married the wrong guy? Is that what this 40 year old woman's journey has been about? And that she winds up summing up the whole stupid debacle as "not right" just left me scratching my head. That's it? Oy.

Maybe some of the next few episodes are supposed to fill in this vaunted "journey" replete with flashbacks (which I personally detest in any incarnation in any show) - I guess we'll see.

Mag13 · 02-23-2007, 08:09 AM

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Those might be just about the ugliest dresses both Lorelai and Rory have ever worn on this show.

The most of wrap dresses, Lorelai/LG wears, are from Diane von Furstenberg. This one also; it's Furstenberg's deco diamond wrap dress. But I find Rory's dress even worse...

blaab · 02-23-2007, 08:09 AM

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Point. The irony is that it led to Lorelai's ruin after Rory left home, when her daughter is on the verge of graduating and going out to conquer the world.

But the ghost of Rory's father returns and destroys the independence, the moral center and the caring heart that propelled Lorelai so far over those 21 years - only to lose it all at the very end.

George, How does it benefit Lorelai to gain an 'empire' of worldly success and lose her soul?

We will always disagree on this ... I do not feel it led to Lorelai's ruin after Rory left home. The problem I have with a statement like that is that the source of what led to this what you call ´ruin´ was already seen in all the previous seasons before Rory went out on her own. We got to see what was so great about this relationship between Rory and Lorelai, but only after Rory ´left´ to live her own life or try to, it became even more obvious what was the negative of a relationship that close and dependant on each other. Makes sense it was not so obvious when they were still in a relationship like that ... living together and being able to depend on each other emotionally.

And about the independence, the moral center and the caring heart ... Lorelai is in many matters the kayak Emily spoke about and she has always remained that way, that never changed. I have never seen her independent when it came to the emotional matters though, because there was always Rory and well then Luke and after that Chris. The moral center, I think what became more and more obvious in the latest eps is why Lorelai did what she did. And again she never saw Chris the way you see him, so I think to say that her moral center changed based on how you feel, something the character Lorelai definitely seems to disagree with, is not something I can agree with. And if anything I have seen Lorelais caring heart, sure the woman has messed up on occasion, but Lorelai not having a caring heart is something I can never agree with. Yes, she might have hurt Luke incredibly with sleeping with Chris that night in Partings. But in her experience she was so hurt also. And I think in ep 14 in became very clear why Lorelai was in that relationship with Christopher and if anything it showed that she did care, does care and will always care about Christopher. And I believe there are so many others in her life that she loves very, very much.

Again, it seems that you claim Lorelai lost her soul based alone on her not feeling similarly about Christopher as you do. But again from Season 1 I have never seen her agree with how you feel about him. So in a way reasoning from what you stated Lorelai never had a soul to loose ... because she never had one. I disagree though ... she may mess up, she may freak and has run on occasion. But there was always soul and heart ... she might not have always known how to deal with certain emotions, but they were so obviously there. And the ironic thing (compared to how you feel) is that I have never seen Lorelai as mature and taking things on as she has in the last few eps. Chris admitting him pushing her into this relationship, but Lorelai taking her own part in this and not blaming it on him by saying she jumped (which I feel she did and I love that she took her own part in this). Her expressing how sorry she is and how much she really wanted this to work. Chris supporting her and letting her know, saying he does know. Both Chris and Lorelai learning a lot from this relationship. Learning some things that I feel will make it a lot easier for them both individually in the rest of their lives. Both taking responsibilty and ending this with closure, respect for the other ... I guess really talking about things can work out in a good way. Lorelai actually allowing to feel how she really feels in ep 14. Sure, it was painfull, but they dealt with it in a way that I really really loved. They faced the hurt and came out of it without blaming the other. That is something for Lorelai ... truely facing and experiencing her emotions. So she can then truely move on ...

NewHaven2005 · 02-23-2007, 08:12 AM

I don't think there will be any flashbacks. But I think the impact her journey had on her was that she finally realized that a life with Christopher is not an option. That was something that would have stood between her and Luke for the rest of her life, as it had already caused trouble when L and L were still an item. In any major crisis (as they naturally happen in marriages) she might have fallen back into Chris' arms, just the way it had happened to her many times before. That's why I think this was necessary, so that she could rule out the "Christopher - Marriage - Alternate - Universe - Option" forever.

and I agree with you blaab.

first I don't think Lorelai was ruined at all in any way. and especially not by Rory's independence. In addition to that, I totally understood why Lorelai went to Christopher after the blow up with Luke. It was weak that she slept with him, but to err is human.

nst · 02-23-2007, 08:21 AM

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Guess Kelly hasn't done anything to make Wardrobe mad.

what did Lauren do ?

notoutforawalk · 02-23-2007, 08:22 AM

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I don't think there will be any flashbacks. But I think the impact her journey had on her was that she finally realized that a life with Christopher is not an option. That was something that would have stood between her and Luke for the rest of her life, as it had already caused trouble when L and L were still an item. In any major crisis (as they naturally happen in marriages) she might have fallen back into Chris' arms, just the way it had happened to her many times before. That's why I think this was necessary, so that she could rule out the "Christopher - Marriage - Alternate - Universe - Option" forever.

and I agree with you blaab.

first I don't think Lorelai was ruined at all in any way. and especially not by Rory's independence. In addition to that, I totally understood why Lorelai went to Christopher after the blow up with Luke. It was weak that she slept with him, but to err is human.

There are definitely flashbacks in Gilmore Girls Only, with a three year old Rory. I still find it weird that they cast someone who looks so much younger than the original to play Mia, unless they were casting on flashback-ability.

fox24 · 02-23-2007, 08:25 AM

I also understood Lorelai journey Chris was always a "what if" for her, and know she let go of that. JJ's might have felt that you knew that but Lorelai didn't

nst · 02-23-2007, 08:25 AM

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Point. The irony is that it led to Lorelai's ruin after Rory left home, when her daughter is on the verge of graduating and going out to conquer the world.

But the ghost of Rory's father returns and destroys the independence, the moral center and the caring heart that propelled Lorelai so far over those 21 years - only to lose it all at the very end.

?

god that sounds sad and dramatic but true

nst · 02-23-2007, 08:31 AM

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The most of wrap dresses, Lorelai/LG wears, are from Diane von Furstenberg. This one also; it's Furstenberg's deco diamond wrap dress. But I find Rory's dress even worse...

fox24 · 02-23-2007, 08:31 AM

How did Lorelai's life got ruined, she has a successful bussiness that even Emily proud of. She has acheived the parental dreams of having her daughter be an ivy league graduate; and is seeing her happy in her relationship. She and Luke were probably get together or what ever. Just because she didn't marry the guy you wanted this year didn't mean she ruined her life