Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #163 ~ I'd Rather be a Kayak than a Writer - Page 15

notoutforawalk · 02-17-2007, 02:40 PM

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I just wonder will anyone compare Logan going to Vegas to Chris wanting time to think?

If you were going to do a comparison, it seems more of a Lorelai move. Get away and not think about it. Lorelai runs, Rory has taken to the sea, none of these things end up working well for them. And there is the whole near death thing last time he went somewhere with these two.

jalapeno_wildchild · 02-17-2007, 02:41 PM

it'll probably come up sooner or later lancer

gilmorebrazil · 02-17-2007, 02:42 PM

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As for partying with Colin and Finn, I think Rory has very valid reasons to be concerned. Unlike others, I never found them to be likeable characters, and it seems that Logan usually gets into trouble when he's with them. He had a habit of avoiding responsibility before with these two friends, and it seems he's doing it again. I think that will be Rory's problem with this, is that Logan isn't facing up to his problems, and running from them. I doubt it is because Rory doesn't have faith in Logan. That's my spec.

I understand why Rory will be upset at first. But I hope they don't make a big deal of it, and probably they won't since Logan comes back and they make up in 7.17 and are happy in 7.18.

As for Colinn and Finn, I don't know how DSR will write them. But if he decides to make them the eternal trouble makers, I'll be disappointed. IA that they were irresponsible at times. But they were also good friends. And almost every character from GG made mistakes, but had the hability to grown up at some point and redempt themselves. So why Colin and Finn should forever act as crazy college students.

And some could also say that Rory got Logan into trouble when she dragged him out of his sister's engagement party and convinced him to steal a yacht with her. And before even meet those guys, she also had a big part in the failure of Dean and Lindsay's marriage. She probably wouldn't do the same stupid things again, because she grew up. And like she said once to Lorelai "people change".

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I see nothing wrong with Logan going to Vegas with Colin/Finn. I would have liked to see that trip by the way.

I would love to see the trip too

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I just wonder will anyone compare Logan going to Vegas to Chris wanting time to think?

I'm sure some will. You are already doing it

carolav · 02-17-2007, 02:51 PM

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I just wonder will anyone compare Logan going to Vegas to Chris wanting time to think?

I hope that anyone won't think that... because that sounds ridiculous in my opinion.

GEORGEIII · 02-17-2007, 02:54 PM

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I HATE how the writers turned him into a simpleton who's never had lobster or knew Martha's Vineyard was an island even though he's a lifelong resident of Conneticut. Lame.

Yep. I actually hated that as well. And that first bit is totally inconsistent with 5.19, But I'm a Gilmore, which showed that Luke had skills pretty close to a gourmet chef at the time he was pitching in for Sookie as the Dragonfly head cook.

gilmorebrazil · 02-17-2007, 02:54 PM

RL should introduce Colin and Finn to Olivia and Lucy. And they all could go out for dinner with Doyle and Paris. That would be an interesting version of the dinner at the chinese restaurant in JACF.

GEORGEIII · 02-17-2007, 02:58 PM

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I hope that anyone won't think that... because that sounds ridiculous in my opinion.

Well, regardless of anyone's opinions in regards to Chris, I thought that, for better or worse, the writers took great pains in spelling out for everyone in 7.13 that, well, Logan ain't Chris.

Sandlynn · 02-17-2007, 02:59 PM

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I just wonder will anyone compare Logan going to Vegas to Chris wanting time to think?

It seems you are, Craig, since you brought up the topic. Do you want to expound on that a little bit?

clmorrow · 02-17-2007, 03:03 PM

I take promos and episode descriptions with a grain of salt. The last episode description had L/C talking about her "tender" feelings about Luke...well, I must have blinked, because I sure as heck missed that revelation.

The week before the description said that Lorelai was shocked and "happy" that Luke arrived and took over some tasks for Emily - again, I didn't see "happy" for a second -

So until I see the episode with this "fight" between Rory/Logan and her reaction to his going to Las Vegas - I'm going to pocked my opinions on it cause so many things play out differently when the thing actually airs.

I'm not a big fan of this thing for R/L this year, where they fight and make up, fight and make up - this upcoming one, will be what? the third fight/make up? The fight when she wrote the article, the fight over Marty, and now this one? I get that they may be trying to show that they can fight and then make up without breaking up, but I just haven't found these fight storylines very compelling -

I think the crush plot was just plain silly. The entire thing was just bizarre to me. And, when do people announce to their significant other that they have a little crush on someone and recommended a book? It seemed so high school to me. Again, if this is all to make Logan seem to be the mature one, fine - but, I the writers aren't selling me on whatever it is they are trying to do with R/L anymore than they sold me on L/C.

I had thought at this point, R/L might be talking more about her future and what she wants to pursue and how that might affect their relationship - if she gets a job someplace that is not close to NYC, how they might handle those types of things - so far, not interesting stuff yet. Maybe they are going to get there.

Sandlynn · 02-17-2007, 03:09 PM

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Yep. I actually hated that as well. And that first bit is totally inconsistent with 5.19, But I'm a Gilmore, which showed that Luke had skills pretty close to a gourmet chef at the time he was pitching in for Sookie as the Dragonfly head cook.

I agree. I thought the "what is the DAR, what is sushi, what is lobster" stuff was totally out of character and yet that was done under ASP's reign. What exactly was she trying to say? She could've found things that Luke was unfamiliar with or uninterested in that were apart of the lives of people like the Gilmores or Huntzbergers' but those things -- especially the food -- was crazy. One good way they showed a difference without dumbing anyone down was with the whole visit to the country club Luke took with Richard. He didn't play golf -- which is okay -- he didn't want to franchise, he didn't want to collect art or coins, etc. I thought that was very much in character and showed some distinct differences between himself and Richard which belittled neither of them. They were just different.

Interesting enough, in season 1, Rory went to the club with Richard and grew closer to him. Luke went and found himself not making a connection.

katiediaz · 02-17-2007, 03:10 PM

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I just wonder will anyone compare Logan going to Vegas to Chris wanting time to think?

No, and I'll tell you why. Logan isn't going to Vegas to think. He's going to whind down, come back and return to where he left off after blowing some steam. Chris left to think whether his marriage was something he would remain in or not, and then he came back without a concrete answer to his own question, feeling the same as when he left.

catkirk7 · 02-17-2007, 03:13 PM

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I think the crush plot was just plain silly. The entire thing was just bizarre to me. And, when do people announce to their significant other that they have a little crush on someone and recommended a book? It seemed so high school to me. Again, if this is all to make Logan seem to be the mature one, fine - but, I the writers aren't selling me on whatever it is they are trying to do with R/L anymore than they sold me on L/C.

I agree the crush was silly. And I saw absolutely no reason for Rory to be so flustered right away. It's not like Brad Pitt was standing in front of her half-naked. I do think that there is some set up for Rory over-reacting in this way. The last time she had a crush when she was in a relationship she kissed the other guy and then dragged her boyfriend along for almost a year. She doesn't know how to handle it. I think the whole thing was a mishandled attempt to show Logan as the forever guy and not the college guy (a storyline promised by DSR). Or at least to show Logan feels that way.

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I had thought at this point, R/L might be talking more about her future and what she wants to pursue and how that might affect their relationship - if she gets a job someplace that is not close to NYC, how they might handle those types of things - so far, not interesting stuff yet. Maybe they are going to get there.

Again, I agree. There is so much they could be doing with these two. I think the problem was that they were focusing so much on LLC that they forgot to give Rory a meaningful storyline. I was hoping this upcoming storyline would focus more on the family drama of the whole thing and not more unwarranted insecurity from Rory. They keep moving them forward and moving them back again. I guess I'm still hoping that the focus will be more on the family and not the fight. The ep descriptions for the TA incident described the TA as "stealing Rory's heart." We could definitely see a similar exaggeration.

gilmorebrazil · 02-17-2007, 03:22 PM

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I agree the crush was silly. And I saw absolutely no reason for Rory to be so flustered right away. It's not like Brad Pitt was standing in front of her half-naked.

Well, that is an image that deserve some screen time. And I wouldn't care if it was in front of Rory or Miss Patty and Babette!

Sandlynn · 02-17-2007, 03:27 PM

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I agree the crush was silly. And I saw absolutely no reason for Rory to be so flustered right away. It's not like Brad Pitt was standing in front of her half-naked. I do think that there is some set up for Rory over-reacting in this way. The last time she had a crush when she was in a relationship she kissed the other guy and then dragged her boyfriend along for almost a year. She doesn't know how to handle it. I think the whole thing was a mishandled attempt to show Logan as the forever guy and not the college guy (a storyline promised by DSR). Or at least to show Logan feels that way.

They also said he was charming and intelligent, but he seemed pretty normal to me. All he did was introduce himself during the first meeting in a fairly average way and later he was shown to be interested in Isobel Allende, who is not exactly Gabriel Garcia Marquez.

In other words, what was SO extraordinary that just then, just now, Rory couldn't think straight over a pretty ordinary guy? I'm beginning to think it had more to do with Logan's behavior in 7.13 and Rory trying to come to terms with the scary thought that she might be moving to the next level.

2ggObsessed · 02-17-2007, 03:38 PM

We’ve all (or some of us) wondered why Rory has never exhibited more emotional and psychological reactions towards her father’s intermittent presence in her life. I think in FMP we saw some of these suppressed emotions come to light when we saw Rory’s insecurities and doubts in her relationship with Logan.

Neither Lorelai nor Christopher has been good role models to Rory where it comes to sustaining a healthy, happy, secure and trustworthy relationship with a loved one. She has been emotionally scarred. Her outlook and insecurities in relationships has been influenced by her father’s absence in her life and witnessing and experiencing her mother’s painful and emotional breakups. We’ll probably see more evidence of this in her relationship with Logan.

Due to the unusually close bond that Rory has with Lorelai, it’s impossible for her not to have been deeply affected and influenced by her mother’s failed relationships. Through it all she has stuck with her mother and even told her in FMP that she would always be on her side, no matter what.

When Lorelai told Rory that Christopher was there for her and that he came to the hospital, she was not impressed by this, as was heard in her tone of voice when she said “Yeah, but then he left!” Even though Rory truly loves her father, this has always been her experience with him and we got a sense of how she really felt about this from her response. She believed her father time and time again when he said that he had changed and each time she was disappointed and hurt when he reverted back to his old ways.

She probably sees some traits of her father in Logan and has doubts that, like her father, even though she loves him and he loves her she can’t fully allow herself to trust that he will be always there for her. We saw that Rory was upset and angry that her father was not there for her mother. A lot of Rory’s feelings and resentment towards Christopher came out in FMP so it’s natural that these emotions would feed into or cause her to reflect on her insecurities about her relationship with Logan.

Was it a coincidence that many references were made and emotions expressed about being able to rely on and trust that a loved would always be there for you (Rory expressing her anger and resentment to Lorelai for Christopher not being there for her (Lorelai), Lorelai telling Rory that Christopher always leaves when things get complicated, Lorelai telling Christopher that part of her wasn’t surprised that he was not there for her) and then we see Rory acting surprise, disbelievingly and insecure when she was told that she had broken Logan and when Logan himself told her that he would never leave her for other girls, that she belonged to him and he wasn’t worried about their relationship? I think not. Rory’s insecurities, actions and reactions tend to mirror Lorelai’s at times.

With all her negative experiences where it came to love, trust and disappointment, it’s only natural for Rory to doubt Logan’s sincerity in his love for her and fear that he would revert back to his old ways. With time, Logan’s undying love, his confidence in their relationship and determination to keep her in his life, Rory’s insecurities will all disappear and she’ll able to believe and trust in their relationship.