Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #158 ~ Emily in a motel? But, seriously, folks - Page 5

clmorrow · 02-11-2007, 06:34 AM

I think that Lorelai was really happy to see that Logan was there for Rory at the hospital daughter and it was probably even more obvious since her own husband didn't bother to show up all day - We haven't seen Lorelai spend time with Logan - or hardly anyone else for that matter since Chris was on the scene - it's nice to to know they are finally getting back to some of the basics of the show -

I don't see how Logan spending time in SH translates into Rory seeking the townies' approval of anything - she grew up there, loves the place, participated in all the town events while living there and her mom lives there - why wouldn't she want to have her guy spend some time in her hometown. I'm sure Babette and Miss Patty will be thrilled.

I also don't see that Lorelai was ever seeking the townies' approval - I think the nervousness she was depicted as having about Chris being who she married and how they might react was supposed to indicate her own internal confusion and possible lack of confidence about what she had done by eloping with him so quickly. And, she and Luke are both loved by the townies who want both of them to be happy.

i think they were probably disappointed that both L/L wound up hurt after their romance - in such a teeny hamlet of a town (I lived in one for about 3-1/2 years) it is nearly impossible to not constantly be running into people and knowing everyone's business.

This Lane centric episode coming up seems like a good example of that - Luke is being asked to be godfather while just across the street, Lorelai is helping with the baby shower - they may not be in the same room, but there's no escaping being in the same orbit.

~~ CherylS ~~ · 02-11-2007, 06:35 AM

I would hope by now Luke sees how he botched the April thing from the beginning. Hindsight and living without the woman you love should count for something.

Spikette · 02-11-2007, 06:53 AM

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I would hope by now Luke sees how he botched the April thing from the beginning. Hindsight and living without the woman you love should count for something.

I have always felt that Luke really needs to verbalize that the was the one who ruined that relationship. Lorelai didn't break them up by sleeping with Christopher, he did by shutting her out. He drove her to that, IMO. I'm not saying that she is without fault, but she slept with Chris I think because she wanted to feel loved and wanted by someone, and she knew she could get that from Chris. Luke wasn't giving her that anymore. I want to see a scene where Luke breaks down and admits that!

clmorrow · 02-11-2007, 06:57 AM

As much as I want - and actually do now believe - Luke has realized how he screwed up and lost what he wanted most, I want even more of the same from Lorelai. She not only screwed up her life and Luke's life (yes, I know he had a part in it) by not speaking up and saying what she was feeling and actually fighting for the relationship; she compounded her behavior by rushing into a marriage with Chris which just screamed lack of self esteem to me.

But then, I never bought any of this stupid storyline - from the second Luke was shown keeping April and Lorelai apart for more than one episode I knew the writers were digging a hole for themselves trying to twist the characters into this direction.

i'm just glad it is over - let L/L have a good talk about what both of them did and get this show on the road already -- time is short.

Spikette · 02-11-2007, 07:02 AM

For some reason, Lorelai was afraid to tell Luke how she felt about what he was doing last year which seemed so out of character. Maybe she was afraid because they had broken up once before and she didn't want to rock the boat. I still think her silence last year was off the mark.

**Mirella** · 02-11-2007, 07:07 AM

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I have always felt that Luke really needs to verbalize that the was the one who ruined that relationship. Lorelai didn't break them up by sleeping with Christopher, he did by shutting her out. He drove her to that, IMO. I'm not saying that she is without fault, but she slept with Chris I think because she wanted to feel loved and wanted by someone, and she knew she could get that from Chris. Luke wasn't giving her that anymore. I want to see a scene where Luke breaks down and admits that!

I don't think it was just Luke who ruined that relationship.

For a relationship to work it needs trust and also for both people to be honest and open with each other which I feel both of them failed to do.

Luke wasen't honest with Lorelai from the beginning about April and when Lorelai finally found out, well it must have been heartbreaking to know that he knew all along without telling her. And when Luke began to shut Lorelai out of his relationship with April - Lorelai should have been honest with him and told him how uncomfortable she felt and that she so badly wanted to be a part of his relationship with his daughter. She should have told him that as his fiancee she should be a part of all his life, not just bits and parts of hit.
April is Lukes daughter and Lorelai should have gotten to know her, not run every time she saw her.

Lorelai's ultimatum for Luke came she had had enough. I understand her but if she had told him how she felt from the beginning maybe he had changed how he handled the situation.

And for her to run to Chris when Luke didn't do what she wanted him to do, right there in that second, is really low. I understand she needed comfort but not in that form, she didn't. She could have talked to Rory or Sookie but no. She ran to Chris like she always does. And she needed to stop doing that. And luckily, that's all over now.

So for me, both of them were responsible for ruining their relationship.

So, I'm done now.

Spikette · 02-11-2007, 07:11 AM

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I don't think it was just Luke who ruined that relationship.

For a relationship to work it needs trust and also for both people to be honest and open with each other which I feel both of them failed to do.

Luke wasen't honest with Lorelai from the beginning about April and when Lorelai finally found out, well it must have been heartbreaking to know that he knew all along without telling her. And when Luke began to shut Lorelai out of his relationship with April - Lorelai should have been honest with him and told him how uncomfortable she felt and that she so badly wanted to be a part of his relationship with his daughter. She should have told him that as his fiancee she should be a part of all his life, not just bits and parts of hit.
April is Lukes daughter and Lorelai should have gotten to know her, not run every time she saw her.

Lorelai's ultimatum for Luke came she had had enough. I understand her but if she had told him how she felt from the beginning maybe he had changed how he handled the situation.

And for her to run to Chris when Luke didn't do what she wanted him to do, right there in that second, is really low. I understand she needed comfort but not in that form, she didn't. She could have talked to Rory or Sookie but no. She ran to Chris like she always does. And she needed to stop doing that. And luckily, that's all over now.

So for me, both of them were responsible for ruining their relationship.

So, I'm done now.

I completely agree...I just want to see Luke take responsibility too. I want him to say it out loud. Maybe when they make up he will. To say "we're just not meant to be" is a cop-out.

**Mirella** · 02-11-2007, 07:12 AM

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For some reason, Lorelai was afraid to tell Luke how she felt about what he was doing last year which seemed so out of character. Maybe she was afraid because they had broken up once before and she didn't want to rock the boat. I still think her silence last year was off the mark.

It was really out of charachter.

Lorelai spoke out and told Rory how she felt, they didn't even speak for months.
She told her how she felt and stood by it but yet when April came in to Luke's life she completely shut down and hold all her feelings to herself.

Maybe she was scared of losing him, maybe she felt she had to give him time but yeah - for me - she was really out of charachter.

clmorrow · 02-11-2007, 07:13 AM

I think they will likely make them come to a realization that both were at fault or it will be difficult to move them forward in a romance if one or other other is still blaming the other for the end of the engagement. They have clearly gotten past the initial hurt and anger and when they are ready, I expect they will talk about how they both failed in the relationship.

The good thing to me is seeing Lorelai actually express her feelings in the next episode - if that is actually what happens and it seems to - because she kept so much of her feelings to herself last year that she just exploded. Maybe she has finally learned that she needs to actually talk and try to prevent problems from continuing to spiral out of control - yeah, Chris will be hurt but in the long run, he'd be a lot more hurt if she stuck with him knowing she doesn't want him that way.

Finally - she is really saying something.

**Mirella** · 02-11-2007, 07:16 AM

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I completely agree...I just want to see Luke take responsibility too. I want him to say it out loud. Maybe when they make up he will. To say "we're just not meant to be" is a cop-out.

Ah, I understand.

And Luke's "we're not meant to be" - I don't think he believed that for a second.
He was just really hurt and by saying that it might have made him shut down what he really felt.

I want them to talk. Really have a long talk about everything that has happened to them. About the whole mess they created.

elduccia · 02-11-2007, 07:20 AM

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Chris is out.

Luke is in.

Lauren's divine.

Gilmore Girls (ALONE) camping.

MY SHOW IS BACK!

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I've been catching the show on Wed. at work thanks to our lovely clip providers. It makes me feel better thinking I "get paid" to watch Gilmore Girls.

[quote=Mirella;13942667]Ah, I understand.
And Luke's "we're not meant to be" - I don't think he believed that for a second.
He was just really hurt and by saying that it might have made him shut down what he really felt.

Just like Loreali did. Only she went to a longer extent of what "shuttin' down" means

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I want them to talk. Really have a long talk about everything that has happened to them. About the whole mess they created.

I'd love that. In 7.02 we got Lorelai packing Luke's stuff and tellin' little episode and things that they had shared together.
That, IMO, marked a great changed compared to ASP's GG. So since DR is on and he seems to be more "explicit" that ASP was, we might hope for LL to actually talk.

caf123 · 02-11-2007, 07:24 AM

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As much as I want - and actually do now believe - Luke has realized how he screwed up and lost what he wanted most, I want even more of the same from Lorelai. She not only screwed up her life and Luke's life (yes, I know he had a part in it) by not speaking up and saying what she was feeling and actually fighting for the relationship; she compounded her behavior by rushing into a marriage with Chris which just screamed lack of self esteem to me.

It also screams a lack of basic decency, an absence of heart or caring which - if next week's promo is true - she's apparently never going to get back. I find this even worse than all the crap they over-contrived last year. Looks like Lorelai’s “journey” will end with a character whom many viewers can no longer enjoy.

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For some reason, Lorelai was afraid to tell Luke how she felt about what he was doing last year which seemed so out of character. Maybe she was afraid because they had broken up once before and she didn't want to rock the boat. I still think her silence last year was off the mark.

TA. This is why I can’t see the “blame” as one-sided. And as time goes on, it looks like we’ll never hear the explanation from her own mouth. Maybe DSR threw up his hands and agreed with Lauren Graham that her “passivity” last year was out of character. But we saw it, and ignoring it just further undermines this year’s “journey”.

clmorrow · 02-11-2007, 07:36 AM

I kind of think I know what luke's "journey" has been about (as well as I think we can know anything on this show) - at least a part of his journey anyway which to me is about him stopping being afraid and having such little confidence in himself that he was allowing Anna to walk all over him with respect to April. He was so afraid of losing out on that relationship with April that he didn't do what he did this year - fight for her legally and stop accepting Anna's crumbs. The good thing is he fought and he won. His fear though lost him Lorelai.

Her fear of losing Luke, lost him anyway. So much damage in the road - I hope the writers pull off their long awaited talk. I'm not holding my breath on that but if they do a good job with the break up scene with Chris, maybe there will be a good talk between L/L when the time is right.

**Mirella** · 02-11-2007, 07:40 AM

As I see it, L/L have to have a "talk", it doesn't have to big or small as long it's some sort of talk or conversation about what has happened between them because I can't see a reconciliation between them if they just "ignore that" and start all over again.

That just seems so wrong if they do it like that.

Sandlynn · 02-11-2007, 07:42 AM

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Actually, it is rather nice of him

I wasn't being sarcastic. I know, hard to believe.

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I don't see how Logan spending time in SH translates into Rory seeking the townies' approval of anything - she grew up there, loves the place, participated in all the town events while living there and her mom lives there - why wouldn't she want to have her guy spend some time in her hometown. I'm sure Babette and Miss Patty will be thrilled.

I don't think *she* is seeking approval at all. Rory certainly didn't seek their approval to do everything else she's done with Logan or anything else for that matter. But, I think that's the way they are making this show work. Lorelai's love life became fodder for a town meeting. When they broke up the townies took sides. When *she* got married, she seemed to be very wary that no one would accept her husband and proceeded to try to tell him how to act and dress in order to get people to like him. I hated that. Of course, Rory has no need to do that, because she's never done it and she's always been much more distant with the town. But, all of a sudden, here's Logan, who she's been dating for quite a while. I, frankly, don't care what the town thinks of him because it's none of their business. Her mother, father, and grandparents have all met him and have eventually come down on the favorable side. That's all that matters and should matter to Rory.