Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #158 ~ Emily in a motel? But, seriously, folks - Page 18

clmorrow · 02-12-2007, 10:53 AM

At this point in the show, I have no expectation of believing their version of events or characters' actions ever again. Believability flew out the window for me during the last half of season six and zipped through the stratosphere with Lorelai not only sleeping with Chris in Partings, but marrying him so quickly - never bought any of it so I'm expecting to find the L/L reunion slightly less than believable and at this point, I'm fine with it.

Why should the L/L relationship at this point be anymore believable than all that has gone on since late last year? Actually, the only reason I will be more inclined to believe L/L together again is that I always believed their love and affection with one another and never believed all the I love yous that have been said between L/C - because I never believed she ever really was in love with him.

But, that's just me.

Ciaobella · 02-12-2007, 10:56 AM

You lie to yourself enough times and it becomes the truth. Until someone or something calls you on the lie.

Thank god she starts being true to herself this week.

CoffeeSlut · 02-12-2007, 11:01 AM

The only reason I believe that Lorelai still has feelings for Luke is because of her attempt to bad mouth him to feel better at the beginning of the relationship with Chris..and her out of the way attempt to avoid Luke at all costs. To me, that seems like she was worried to see him for herself and worried that Chris would be the way he IS being now.

But when she DID see Luke it came off as more natural than longing to me.

Sandlynn · 02-12-2007, 11:06 AM

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A small, really small question - why, if all this above is true, her marriage doesn't work? And Chris leaves SH in 7.15?
If it was so good and she was so happy, why?

Because "the show" says we have to get rid of Christopher and keep Luke.

clmorrow · 02-12-2007, 11:08 AM

What I would love to see (which I know I won't) is that in the middle of this second go around with Chris about her feelings for Luke, is to have her stop in mid-sentence as she is denying she has feelings for Luke and have her suddenly get a "whoa" moment and look at Chris and say "oh, you know, your're right. I do have feelings for him. Thanks for pushing me out of my denial."

Anything at all that might make me at least grin again while watching this show. Anything at all.

tip · 02-12-2007, 11:10 AM

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A small, really small question - why, if all this above is true, her marriage doesn't work? And Chris leaves SH in 7.15?
If it was so good and she was so happy, why?

But thats what I am asking too - why doesnt it work?
They havent shown her missing Luke, they havent shown her unhappy in her marriage, until now - in fact the opposite, she seemed very happy.......to make this believable they need to have her explain with a believable reason why its over, why she would end a marriage so quickly without working at it or trying to resolve the problems (even if you rushed into the marriage you would try and resolve particularily if it was to a man who has been a life long friend, and father of your child!).....but other than a bit of jealousy over an ex boyfriend they havent shown why she would end it.......so far.........

MickeyJr3000 · 02-12-2007, 11:17 AM

tip, IMO there have been moments in the episodes where she hasn't looked too happy, but those moments always happen when other characters aren't looking.

I think it was a CHOICE of the directors and the writing staff to cue the sadfaces within the episodes. They didn't just get into the cut because Lauren was bored.

ckomodo · 02-12-2007, 11:23 AM

Sandilyn, re your response, I agree with Clmorrow that since Partings the show has strained credibility and has re-written the past, and a big rush to reconcile Lorlelai and Luke (although from the spoilers I actually don't see this happening this season, maybe at the end if there is no season 8) wouldn't be any less believable then Lorelai's behavior up to now. What I don't agree with is that they are ending Lorelai and Chris unrealistically and only as a sl device. "If it was so good and she was so happy...." When has she really been happy in this brief marriage? She's been walking on eggshells and pasting on a big smile and babbling but anytime she and Chris discuss anything more serious then shampoo and conditioner problems and tensions arise. Being tense and having to constantly pacify your partner, right from the honeymoon, is not being happy. The marriage was on tenter hooks from day one. Which is not to say, had the writers wanted to have them end up together, that L/C couldn't have talked it out, started over with more trust and understanding, etc. etc. etc. But with Chris baling on her the minute the going gets tough, the marriage ending is no big surprise. If they wanted the marriage to work they should have shown more growth in the Chris character, it seems to me they are deliberatly showing him as falling back on all his old behaviors to show why the marriage doesn't work. He and Lorelai were both kidding themselves and this is the result. But frankly, I didn't see much "happy" for either of them.

jillianries · 02-12-2007, 11:23 AM

Maybe I have missed this, but any sides yet about a lawyer for Lorelai and Christopher?

Are we doing this off screen or.... is it possible.... just like she mentioned in TPD where Sookie asks what she wants in the wedding and she answers "well it should be legal"... Could we get SO LUCKY?

clmorrow · 02-12-2007, 11:25 AM

The following sort of sums of ASP's thoughts about L/L from a Jan. 2004 article in which ASP talks about L/L. I like how she refers to Luke as Lorelai's "partner" being right around the corner and that the whole L/L thing was a key touchstone for the show. I think too that I recall ASP was originally not going to get them together at the end of S4, but was persuaded to do it then. Can't recall exactly.

If she did get them together sooner than she originally hoped to, maybe that is why she felt the need to split them apart last year - although I know I will always be hopelessly confused by the turn of events that she introduced last year.

Tuned In: Creator defends 'Gilmore Girls'

Sherman Palladino hinted that Lorelai and Luke (Scott Patterson) might get together someday, but she doesn't want to rush it.

"I think it's what we're all working toward, whether we do it before the end [of the series] or at the end," she said. "It's one of the key touchstones of our show. You've got this woman working so hard to make it and her partner is right around the corner. If either one of them would just let the wall down for five seconds and keep the quips to a minimum and maybe say something real to each other, their lives would be very different."

Spikette · 02-12-2007, 11:32 AM

I could tell Lorelai wasn't happy from the beginning. There were, I think, a lot of signs.
1. Her pained face and hiding her ring from Luke when she visits while April is in the hospital.
2. Her refusal to exchange vows at Emily's wedding party.
3. Her reaction when Chris walks out of the store and sees her holding Doula. ( I thought she acted like the cat who ate the canary when there was no reason to. It was an innocent exchange.)

Tonight will be the pivotal piece to see how they unravel and untangle the mess Lorelai wove. If they handle tomorrow's episode right, L&L can be together again by 7.19, IMO.

lilmelodie · 02-12-2007, 11:36 AM

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A small, really small question - why, if all this above is true, her marriage doesn't work? And Chris leaves SH in 7.15?
If it was so good and she was so happy, why?

Good point. I think some of the most telling things were that Rory could have talked her out of marrying him or at least waiting and she didn't look happy at all when they got back from France it was almost guilty. She been trying really hard to deny that this wasn't her best move and she's trying really hard to convince herself that this is what she wants. But I'm not convinced at all. Though I don't know when Christopher has seen how she looks at him, I have seen those looks. 7.11 had a lot of them. Even 7.13 had some nice moments and interaction. Maybe I'm not necessarily looking for passionate looks. But I have seen them really care about each other to the point that they are willing to go out of their way to help each other. That is their history. That is what they have been doing for years because at a very basic level they are good friends who know each other really well.

Spikette · 02-12-2007, 11:38 AM

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Good point. I think some of the most telling things were that Rory could have talked her out of marrying him or at least waiting and she didn't look happy at all when they got back from France it was almost guilty. She been trying really hard to deny that this wasn't her best move and she's trying really hard to convince herself that this is what she wants. But I'm not convinced at all. Though I don't know when Christopher has seen how she looks at him, I have seen those looks. 7.11 had a lot of them. Even 7.13 had some nice moments and interaction. Maybe I'm not necessarily looking for passionate looks. But I have seen them really care about each other to the point that they are willing to go out of their way to help each other. That is their history. That is what they have been doing for years because at a very basic level they are good friends who know each other really well.

I totally agree with this.

lorelaisgirl · 02-12-2007, 11:48 AM

Bringing this over for the record, and because you can't always trust non-FF links (not that you can always trust FF-links)

E!Online - Kristen - Will Gilmore Girls Go On? Get the Inside Dish!

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Will Gilmore Girls Go On? Get the Inside Dish!
By Kristin Veitch
Jan 25, 2007 5:15 PM

Ruh-roh.

I've just chatted with inside sources connected to our beloved Gilmore Girls, and I gotta tell you, I'm a little concerned about what's happening over in Stars Hollow. 'Cause, well, the prospects of an eighth season are looking a wee bit grim.

You may have heard the rumors going 'round that Alexis Bledel (Rory) does not want to continue Gilmore Girls (my sworn frienemy, TV Guide's Michael Ausiello, reports that Alexis is proving a "tougher sell" than Lauren), and that the CW is considering the idea of doing the show without Alexis.

Well, according to my sources—who are highly placed within the Gilmore family—the plan of a Roryless eighth season has been firmly rejected for one very good reason: Lauren Graham is sticking by her onscreen daughter (you gotta love that) and has made it clear that she will not continue the show without Alexis on board.

So...will we get another season? I'm told Lauren and Alexis are making the decision as a team. If they both decide to partake in an eighth season, we'll get another year of Gilmore bliss. If not (and it kills me to even think it!), this will be the final year of the show we so adore.

Still, don't start saying your goodbyes just yet. The show's rep at the CW insists the report that Alexis does not want to continue with the show is "really just a rumor...I've never heard that from Alexis' people or any reliable source close to the production."

Plus, there's another reason to hold out hope: I'm also told CW president Dawn Ostroff isn't ready to let Lorelai and Rory go—and is prepared to do "whatever it takes" to turn the show around creatively and keep it around another year.

So, maybe it'll work out. While I feel confident in my sources—they have never once steered me wrong before—I hope that in this case they're wrong.

And, well, let's be honest. Money talks! And if it talks in a very rapid, witty and dramatic fashion, our Gilmore goddesses just might stick around.

So...what say ye? Should Gilmore go another year? Are you happy to hear Lauren is sticking by Alexis? Weigh in below.

damselfly · 02-12-2007, 11:52 AM

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But thats what I am asking too - why doesnt it work?
They havent shown her missing Luke, they havent shown her unhappy in her marriage, until now - in fact the opposite, she seemed very happy.......to make this believable they need to have her explain with a believable reason why its over, why she would end a marriage so quickly without working at it or trying to resolve the problems (even if you rushed into the marriage you would try and resolve particularily if it was to a man who has been a life long friend, and father of your child!).....but other than a bit of jealousy over an ex boyfriend they havent shown why she would end it.......so far.........

She didn't seem so happy in the early days of her marriage, fighting the changes Chris wanted to make, and it wasn't until Emily told her that marriage wasn't about being happy, it was about making compromises, that Lorelai put her whole self into it -- as much as she could anyway.

She supposedly started to see the light last week. Watching the 2 promos, I'm guessing it picks up the following morning since Chris is in the same clothes, and Lorelai's wearing her work clothes. They appear to argue again, so maybe Chris leaves for 2 days (as indicated in the ep description), and comes back again on the day of the funeral ready to talk things through. During those 2 days, Lorelai's had time to reflect and bounce things off Sookie, and apparently reach her decision. Her expression at seeing Luke through the diner window seems to be part of the revelation, as if she's thinking about what Sookie said - if there was no Luke, would it be Chris? There is Luke, and as much as she's tried to bury that and move on, there will always be Luke.

I don't know if it'll be believable, but I agree with others that nothing in the LL story arc has been believable since the LLD showed up in a pink helmet contraption in S6.