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| #241 | |||
| Banned  Joined: Jul 2005
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| Nadine, I liked two parts of Dreamgirls; Eddie Murphy and Jennifer Hudson. Outside of that, I am glad that Babel swooped in like it did. Sandra, you bring up a very good point. Luke would never keep his kids from THEIR FAMILY. Stache and Pearls might make Scruffy upset, but Scruffy and Stretch Pants kid(s) are going to know them. Unless they pulled some highly dubious ****. Which I doubt they would pull. So, again, Luke being the stand-up guy that he is...will never stand for Lorelai's shenanigans towards her parents with their kids. Okay...that problem is solved. Lets move on to subsection 15 involving Paris and her sweaters; Yay or Nay? | |||
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| Master Fan  Joined: Aug 2001
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| Well I'm not a huge fan of Jennifer Hudson even though it's now a given she'll win the Oscar for the role. Quote:
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| #243 | |||
| Elite Fan   Joined: Dec 2004
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| I agree Jason and Sandra any future kids will not be just Lorelai's and Luke is big on family. Plus this is DSR running things so if Rory is out for a couple of eps in S8 then he'll need more of Emily and Richard which IMO will only be good. And Jason before you complain I think one good thing if Alexis is only in for sweeps her eps can be much stronger than they have this season, so we can have separate Lorelai and Rory centric eps. JMO but if DSR gets the right mix it could work. __________________ Mythbusters - "I reject your reality and substitute my own." Adam Craig - Gilmore Girls crazy-internet-people.com | gallery | youtube | fanfiction | facebook | twitter | |||
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| #244 | |||
| Loyal Fan  Joined: Sep 2004
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 __________________ SES la vie avi by lancer1993 "They're worse than real critics, they're amateur critics!" ~ Richard Thompson | |||
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| #246 | |||
| Passionate Fan  Joined: Jul 2005
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There's a description in psychology - choice blindness . It's a phenomenon in which subjects fail to detect conspicuous mismatches between their intended (and expected) choice and the actual outcome. In an experiment the subject is presented with two cards, on which different (female) faces appear. The subject is asked to choose which one he finds more attractive. In the non-manipulated (NM) version, the subject is handed the card that he chose and asked to say why he chose that one. In the manipulated (M) version, the experimenter uses sleight of hand techniques to switch the cards without the subject's knowledge and give the subject the other card. The most subjects failed to notice the switch, and furthermore justified their decision using post-hoc confabulated evidence. For example, in a M trial, a subject might say "I preferred this one because I prefer blondes" when he had in fact chosen (and pointed to) the dark-haired woman, but was handed a blonde. (from Wikipedia) I think, Lorelai, desperately looking for the whole packege, confused "pleasure" with "happiness", not aware, that Chris is only the "pleasure", like sex which may well be divorced from a "satisfactory relationship" which is a precondition for lasting "happiness" in life. She wasn't able to learn how to make the right choice. Choosing meants also, that two things, two persons, are equal, like in the question: The red or the green dress today? I like both, but I have to choose. Lorelai told the same words to Luke in "Partings", that she's chosen between the purple wallpaper and him ... Going to Chris after the break up with Luke she thought she just made the right choice, not aware, we all are able to control the behavior or thinking, but not feelings. Now she has to justify her choice (the post-hoc confabulated evidence!), because if not, her whole Quality World disappears. She thinks, there's no return to Luke, so, what if she loses Chris also? It's why she tries to defend the choice she made before. Even lying to herself... __________________ SOOKIE: Well, that's true, although just because you don't see him a lot doesn't mean he's not a big part of your life. Last edited by Mag13 : 02-12-2007 at 09:14 AM. | |||
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| #247 | |||
| Extreme Fan  Joined: Dec 2006
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I get what liking someone despite themselves means; but sometimes, I love Lorelai for her faults, because they make her more real, more human. All pre season 7 though. I watched LW&S last night and smiled when I heard Lorelai say this: "Everybody screws up, Lane. That's what happens. It's what you do with the screw-ups, it's how you handle the experience - that's what you should judge yourself by." IE -- I think we should hold off judgment on Lorelai until we see how she handles the discussion in 7.14 and all the things that will follow. Gotta drive back to school now...weekends at home are always too short  __________________ When you figure out love is all that matters after all It sure makes everything else seem so small Avatar by Alyss | |||
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| #248 | |||
| Absolute Fan  Joined: May 2004
Posts: 6,775
| I saw Norbit last night, and yes, 99% of it is on the streets of Stars Hollow. Everything was changed. All the stores, everything. Luke's was turned into an Italian restaurant named Giovanni's and was completely different inside. It was kind of strange lol. They had a big summer festival thing there too. Made me think of Lazy Hazy. If we was alone in the theater (and we almost were) I would've kept shouting out, "I was there! That's the gazebo! Michelle broke that fence!" (yeah...my friend broke the Growing Pains house fence once....good times) | |||
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| #249 | |||
| Dedicated Fan  Joined: Mar 2005
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Lorelai lives to do the opposite of what her parents want her to. I don't see her seeking their approval for anything! I think she wants their acceptance, not their approval. And unti she receives that, she doesn't have a desire to be a part of Richard and Emily's lives. She deplores going to see them for dinner for crying out loud! But if they accepted her lifestyle, I think she'd enjoy going to see them much more. On the other hand, it's important that Lorelai accept Richard and Emily for who THEY ARE. That's what this show has always been about for me and I will be truly disappointed if that is not rectified by the end of the series...no matter what couples are together. At this point, the only way to save Lorelai is to have her end up alone at the end of this season, maybe ordering coffee from Luke. If there is a Season 8, they could try again, but this season, I could not buy their reconciliation for reasons I previously stated--she seems committed and happy with Chris, so I haven't bought that she is missing Luke at all. __________________ Michelle Logan: Here come the penguins! Avi by shinystar. | |||
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| #250 | |||
| Passionate Fan  Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,264
| Yeah I don't think they showed enough of her pining for Luke...and then all of a sudden the break up is beacause of HIM (well, partially)? Its just strange to me, if anything I think she misses his friendship. And believe me, I WANT her to miss the romance, but I just don't see it. __________________ "Oh, I can't stop drinking the coffee. I stop drinking coffee, I stop doing the standing and walking and the words putting-into-sentence doing." | |||
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| #251 | |||
| Passionate Fan Joined: Jul 2005
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My problem is: Could Luke trust her? __________________ SOOKIE: Well, that's true, although just because you don't see him a lot doesn't mean he's not a big part of your life. | |||
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| #252 | |||
| Loyal Fan  Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,222
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I think she was looking for both over the last 6 years. She's wanted them to be proud of her for how Rory turned out; and for getting a degree even if it wasn't from their school of choice; and for realizing her dream of owning her own inn, and being successful. She's wanted them to acknowledge that she turned out ok, even if she did take her own path to get there. That's about seeking approval from them, not acceptance. Lorelai questioned her motives in 7.03, seemingly changed her approach, and did the one thing they'd been nagging her to do for 22 years -- married the guy who got her pregnant. Other than balking over the vow renewals, which was more about Chris than Emily, we haven't seen Lorelai dreading going to dinner. or making disparaging remarks about her mother, and we also haven't seen the usual disapproving Emily or Richard. Apparently all she had to do was marry Christopher to gain their approval or acceptance. Where she lives doesn't seem to be an issue anymore, although I was waiting for Chris and Emily to team up against her on that -- insisting Stars Hollow wasn't a suitable place to live and raise a family. I think Lorelai does accept who her parents are -- she's far more accepting of them than they are of her -- and she knows she can't change that, but with them it's a one way street - their way or no way. They can't accept Lorelai for who she is, and they've never approved of her life choices, until she married Chris. I think over the past 6 years we've seen glimpses of pride from E/R for what she's accomplished, but it's always overshadowed by their disapproval of everything else, and her refusal to toe the line and yield to their way of thinking. 7.03 seemed to be about Lorelai changing herself to fit into their mold, as if she said "Why fight City Hall?" and gave herself over to it, and we've seen her struggling with it for several (far too many) episodes now. She lost herself somewhere in the process, and I hope she comes back soon. __________________ The whole business is built on ego, vanity, self-satisfaction and it's total crap to pretend it's not Icon by tv_lindy Last edited by damselfly : 02-12-2007 at 09:54 AM. | |||
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| #253 | ||||
| Passionate Fan Joined: Jul 2005
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| Part-Time Fan Joined: Feb 2007
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| Passionate Fan Joined: Jul 2005
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If it was so good and she was so happy, why? __________________ SOOKIE: Well, that's true, although just because you don't see him a lot doesn't mean he's not a big part of your life. | |||
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