I'm late but thanks for the clip 2GGobsessed and for posting it caf.

The road trip definitely goes for more than one day. Of course we'll see several scenes of the road trip itself then at their actual destination, etc.

What makes her cold-hearted is ignoring, denying and turning a blind eye to his many years of neglectling his child, being selfish and putting his own interests first - of giving him a free pass and easy excuses, which apparently are now confirmed forever. That's where she loses her decency for me - and for many of us, though obviously not everyone.

I roll with my VERDANA. Nevertheless..Caf...you are projecting on Lorelai...again. Oh, what, this was from 14 hours ago? Man, I have been busy. Back to the point, as Laura has pointed out time after time after time. She's pointed it out so much...Cyndi Lauper is suing for copyright infringemebnt. LORELAI IS NOT LETTING CHRIS OFF WITH ANYTHING. Unlike you, Lorelai, does not have the same opinion of Chris. As Lorelai herself has said and intimated this year; RORY HAD LORELAI...THAT WAS ALL RORY NEEDED. You keep trying to force this nuclear family bollocks on a woman who continually believes that all her kid needed as a parent...was HER! If you have another opinion, then keep right on with that opinion. Whateverthecase, Lorelai nor the writers, do not hold to your or any other JJs view of Chris. Thank Athena for that because if they did...he would really be an *******. Yes, what I am stating is, that you make Chris worse than he has ever been.

This has nothing to do with Luke; I'd feel the same if she'd never met Luke.

Howver badly she needed to be loved, there are limits. It's wrong to let someone get aware with years of being that selfish and destructive, especially to a child, then suddenly, just because you're feeling low and he woos you for a few weeks, to shrug that all off. I could almost accept her doing that until she came to her senses. But it looks like she'll never come to her senses again.

There you go with your MORAL CODE again. Is it fun for you to pass judgements on TV characters? Again, you are projecting YOUR MORAL CODE onto a character that WILL NEVER EVER REPRESENT IT. This is what gets me the most about debates on her because most of the time people bring their BACKGROUND to the table...as if their background is needed.

Maybe I just see the world differently, but there are more ANGLES to this VERSE and the UNIVERSE than the ones in my head. There is always another way to look at something. There is seldom if ever a right answer. You caf, seem to work, in the realm of moral certitudes. As if there is an DEFINITE response and reaction to everything in life. Well...there's not.

Most people are prone to making the rest of us look bad. I am not bagging on them because of it but this is a part of life. We have so many societal unspoken rules that people can do things and other people would not say anything about it. Instead of making people heroes. We make them cowards for saying something that needs to be said. So, again, there is not MORAL CERTAINTY to Lorelais actions. She's an anti-heroine. You know what that means Tara? It means, that you love her despite herself. Despite all the **** that she does. Despite the way that she treats her parents, her friends, and her daughter. Despire all of that, at her core, you know that she's good, decent, and worth putting the time in as a fan. Unless you want to go on about how much she sucks for not acting like you in that situation...which is just a bit odd to me.

I am NOT saying she had to shout at him or never speak to him again. I've understood her remaining friends with him, because of Rory and also because of their own shared youth. I also understood her trying in season 2, because Rory was still a kid at home, there was still a hope of that biological family - and maybe because we the viewers hadn't experienced so many of his perfidies.

But now - after everything we've seen him do. For her to give him a free pass, to let him get away with it all - to forget just because the show seems to find it convenient to forget or because DSR doesn't really care about children - to me this is a fundamental wrongness. It's so wrong and offensive that I can't suspend disbelief and enjoy her character.

SO Lorelai does not care about the CHILDREN? THE BLESSED CHILDREN? Again, caf, address your issues to the RIGHT CHARACTER. Everything you are accusing Chis of as a character...HE FEELS HORRIBLE ABOUT! You might not see it. But he has been shown to be ripped apart about the past countless time. Oh wow, he wanted Lorelai. HE'S A MAN! MEN have a real ****ty tendency to put cooch before the children. Yet...he did....with GiGI.

Please, continue to go on your moral righteousness crusades as if you owned a ministry in Branson. It does not change that ROSENTHAL has children and I doubt he hates them...as it does not change that you are blaming CHRIS. When you should be blaming a woman so caught up in her **** not smelling, that she lets Chris off the hook. Dont hate the player. Hate the game.

I don't think I'm the only one, although who knows how total audience numbers break out. I do know that I've heard the same from kids from single-parent families who had a special place for this show, who grew up with it, and feel totally betrayed now.

I have only had my mom most of my life. Single-parent...not destroyed. Again, there is another angle, but you are focusing on making the father look like the villian? When really, he's a dumbass, that accepts he was a dumbass. While the mom does not care because all the kid need was...HER!

She's showing raw emotion because she can't love him, for heaven's sake! Not raw emotion over the horrendous mistake of ever trying to love someone like him, which would be understandable if she were really waking up and regaining herself. This crushes my last hope.

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Sorry but does anyone else think this has flop written all over it?

You might think that but right now Paramount are cheering since it brought in over $33 million in its first weekend.

Maybe I just haven't liked any of Eddie Murphy's movie's for years, do you know when it will be in Australia Nadine?

Give Dreamgirls a try, it is very good.

Agagin, I see no evidence of this. He's devoted to HIS family. He's never encouraged Lorelai to be closer to Emily & Richard. He avoided them in IO, YO. He didn't want to go to their house for dinner, even though he was engaged to their daughter in YBG. 21ITLN he didn't want to go to their house. They were about to become his inlaws, and he wanted nothing to do with them. What he did in a crisis, and perhaps with Richard almost dying he felt some guilt over his not wanting to have anything to do with them in the past, he wanted to do something kind. But he's really avoided Emily & Richard when given the opportunity.

Maybe I just haven't liked any of Eddie Murphy's movie's for years, do you know when it will be in Australia Nadine?

Something Gilmore related - I really wish Arena would stop advertising the season six DVDs for the show.