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Old 02-07-2007, 04:01 PM
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I never thought or expected, from the spoilers, that Lorelai's "epiphany" would be instigated by Emily's breakdown about "what a wife is, what a marriage is". (I suppose it was also abetted by seeing Logan with Rory.) I appreciated that--that it wasn't necessarily about Luke being a better man than Chris, but rather what Lorelai told Chris on the phone--that she was trying to be a wife, and that she figures married people should be there for each other. And her telling Chris that him not being there was not okay...I liked the way she said it, and how she came to that conclusion. It wasn't about her loving Luke still or not loving Chris...but rather how they could possibly make their marriage work if he couldn't get past hurts and doubts and old jealousies.

In contrast, in the few scenes that Luke was there, it seemed to me as if he and Lorelai had gotten past their messy past. Like they were friends--not quite the Lorelai-and-Luke of old (circa S1-4), but sort of getting there. I've read people complain or wonder why there weren't any sparks or any tinge of romance between them...but I think that was deliberate, and just right. It isn't the time for that now at all. It's good that he was there, and that he helped, and that was that.

I loved Emily. And I loved Logan. Both just so there for Richard and Rory in their own usual way.
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I agree & disagree. I think the money will come indirectly from Rory, through Chris. The last shot of them was of Rory, Logan & Chris, and somehow that combined with the Chris, Rory, Gigi shots from a couple of weeks ago makes me believe that things are going to be fine with Chris & Rory, that the relationship they've built together, unfortunately off screen, will continue. If he's back for more eps than just next week & her graduation, he'll be walking her down the aisle to marry Logan, her "one."
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Oh I can agree with that and I actually would love that option. It would sort of open up this new relationship between Rory and Chris, seperate from Lorelai, even more. And I agree about what you said about Chris, Rory and Gigi-scene. I do think Rory can understand Lorelai and the ending of the marriage. I am not thinking she will be to upset with it. Because I do feel Rory takes from Chris what she can get and yeah has accepted who he is including his flaws, but does want a relationship with him. Which doesn't mean she feels that will be good enough for her mom in some way. Her mom, I believe, in Rory's opinion does deserve someone who will be there to back her up more especially in the difficult times. Basically I feel that Rory has been able lately to seperate her dad from the romantic interest of her mom and will be fine dealing with the break up.

About Rory and being surprised, scared even as a response to Logan being so supportive and there for her. I think it sort of confused her because she never had a male figure, maybe going back to her dad and his part in her upbrining, back her up like that. He was solely there for her. Completely putting his own matters aside, because she was all that mattered. I do think she has experienced that from her mom, not always, but on plenty of occasions. I do not feel she ever got this from a male and it sort of took her aback ... and yeah might even have scared her a bit. Because well that is a huge thing!!!

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Old 02-07-2007, 04:22 PM
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A lot of discussion about Emily and Luke and her rudeness, some saying it was right as he shouldn't have been there and so on. Actually what I saw in Emily's behavior was more surprise then real irritation or annoyance, and frankly, you don't give the keys to the Jag to someone you don't trust, who you may even, gurdgingly, like. The attempt to give him money was just her usual obnoxiousness to those with less money then her. Bottom line I saw was Logan could get her tea and Luke could pick up the car. It wouldn't surprise me if, should Luke and Lorelai get back together, that Emily will, in her own way, be on board. She'ss be making diner cracks and everything else, but will accept him as the husband Lorelai needs, just like she needs Richard.
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Just the saw the ep, well some parts actually probably a dozen times by now, Kelly was amazing, nothing new.

Though I’m probably the only one who’s a little bit disappointed. I expected something more, maybe something different, don’t know. While the scenes with E/R and E/L were without question the best thing that happened for a long time on the show, I still thought it could have been even better. I guess my expectations were too high after all.

I admit I read Mel’s recap first on the VT, couldn’t resist, maybe I shouldn’t have done it, but I couldn’t leave the house this morning without knowing what would be happening. And while I was really looking forward to the amazing scenes with Kelly, I already was a bit disappointed that there was no ILY for E/R nor a simple little kiss. Would it have been really too much to show us something like this? I still think that the E/R and E/L were great, the pillow fight, Richard’s humour, E/R holding hands, Emily’s breakdown, Emily telling Richard about all the things she did after his operation, the way they smiled at each other, fantastic stuff, but I hoped for more. And while I was really moved with Emily’s breakdown, I didn’t start to cry, so what’s wrong with me, I thought for sure I would, but nothing. I had to cry when Emily had her breakdown in the plane with Lorelai, but not this time. Still it was an amazing scene, but the special something was missing.

Logan/Rory were cute, but there scenes were a bit too long for my taste, they could have used the time better for one more scene with E/R.

Babette and Paul Anka were so funny. And I loved the moment with Luke and Zach in the Diner.

Luke being there for Lorelai was just his way of thanking Lorelai for the letter for the court case. Emily and Luke were really funny too.

Thanks for the new spoilers, I love the one with Luke being the godfather for Lane’s babies.
And all Gilmore Girls remembering could be really good too. Maybe a little painful with Mia, but really good. And who knows maybe this time the continuity fairy makes an appearance and Emily/Mia meeting at the Inn and Emily asking for pictures is even mentioned. Lorelai never new that Emily asked for them, it’s time.
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Old 02-07-2007, 05:07 PM
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Perhaps during the scotch talk? I don't think she needs to know quite as much as Rory ended up knowing. But some of it might help her really let go of Chris as a romantic partner for Lorelai. That her assessment of him as weak is correct, but his class by birth does not give him a pass. Logan's showing you can be to the manor born and a good, dependable when needed, guy as well. But I think some of what happened then might be appropriate to discuss then. Lorelai knows Emily & Richard had accepted Luke, however grudgingly. I think letting Emily into her life a little might help pave the road to their accepting her choices in the future.
Emily in a way leads her life trying to pertain a certain way of life. A style, where certain ways are expected and the norm. Especially after seeing the last ep it to me felt so clear that Emily in a way IS that world, the identification of that world. Just like she shows her dedication and love to Richard by doing all those things for him. What others might show in ways of physical affection or emotions through words, Emily shows by taking care of Richards life in a way so he can live according to a certain lifestyle and be succesfull in business. Because to her that is showing her dedication. Making it able for someone to live that kind of life. That is her way it seems to me of connecting also with the people she cares about. Lorelai rebelling against that world, if she had reasons for that or not, is I feel besides the point, must have felt to Emily as if she had no way of connecting with her daughter anymore. The things she would have loved to 'give' her daughter, take care of, Lorelai clearly did not want to see taken care of. because she didn't want to be part of that world. I believe that is why Emily kept on trying to get Lorelai to fit in this world, so Emily could connect with her again and would not feel so rejected by her daughter. If you make a certain way THE way and you also identify yourself so much with that, it must feel as a rejection of you personally, if someone is rebelling against that world.

If Lorelai could let her mom in a little more and just share with her how she is feeling and in that way show her mom that they can connect, maybe not in the way Emily is used too, but in another way, by being there for someone emotionally. I would think Emily will also be able to let go a bit of her need to have Lorelai act/behave/decide in a certain way. Because there would be less need for that, since the connecting would be happening in a different way. I don't think Emily would NEED Lorelai to be with that kind of man anymore or whatever, because she would have what she basically always wanted and was after. A connection with her daughter.

Of course, as always , this is a two-way street. Emily has to also show Lorelai her emotions a little more, so it might be easier for Lorelai to get where her mom is coming from. That she is not just trying to fit her in this world, but is actually trying to connect with her in that way. And I guess that did happen in the hospitalstore. What seemed as petty for some maybe, or irrelevant, was Emilys way of connecting, of doing what she does, showing she cares deeply. And once Emily shared what was going on with her and Lorelai got it and was emotionally touched by it, they shared duds people ... they shared duds ...

I do love watching these two. Because yeah it is a tangled web

And I agree Sandra, it is about time ...
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I don't think Luke was there to thank her for the letter. As he said, before he knew what he was doing, he walked out of the diner and came to hospital. Before their romance, they were good friends and he helped her out whenever he could. Now that the hurt from last year has subsided, I think he misses his friend and went into that mode.

In the promo, her hesitating in front of the diner and looking in and waving back at him seems to me to be the start of her realizing she also misses her friend.
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The attempt to give him money was just her usual obnoxiousness to those with less money then her.
Well, if I ask someone to fuel my car, I always give him money as I don't expect anyone to pay for my gas. I don't even see why this (talking about the gas ) is discussed

For the rest of the episode, my two cents:

This was the best episode since 5x13 and it's the only one since 5x13 I'm going to watch over and over again. Kelly was simply amazing in it, I totally agree with the critic who wrote it was like an acting seminar from the beginning to the end. She was brilliant and I'm glad that the authors finally gave her an opportunity again to pull out all the (acting) stops, plus I hope that they'll give her more such opportunities.

But although it was a great episode, it wasn't as good as the "old" ones if it comes to the writing (I loved the scene in the giftshop, still it didn't touch me as much as the scene between Emily and Richard in F&S which always sends shivers through my body and was just perfect form both: acting and writing. I really missed such a strong scene between Emily and Richard, one with the energy of F&S. The one they had was good, but it lacked something. I was sure Emily is going to say something after Richards "It's fine" - but cut. It was like someone had changed the channel accidently. Plus, I'm kind of dissapointed that they didn't mention "the promise".) - still they're on a good way to bring the old energy back. It was good written, there was an evenly balance of humor, drama, love and family, but it's only that brilliant because the actors were brilliant and in top form. With worse actors, it would've been just okay.

I so had to laugh, when Emily threated Luke like he was a servant. Not because of the happening on screen only, but because of all the discussions in here how Emily will see Luke in a completly different light now and see what a good man he is blablabla ( - maybe she'll see what a good gofer he is now ) I always said this won't happen. And heck, it didn't. Kudos. Great feeling

Moreover, I don't understand how people can say it was sweet of Luke to drive to the hospital. It was inappropriate. He and Lorelai broke up. They aren't friends. He knows she's married (and he had that fight with Chris and knows that Chris doesn't like him and vise versa) to another man, "it" was a family thing (or was Sookie there? Michel? Babette? Friends of Emily and Richard? Nope. Because you don't drive to a hospital just like that, if it's not your family or you're considered as a family member) and therefore it was simply none of his business to drive to the hospital.

Mentioning Babette ^^ Theee, she was so sweet with all her babbling about her negligee, Paul Anka and Richard's sexiness. That was real fun and made me remember the "old" times (I'm stressing the world old too much, I know ) Logan and Rory were sweet, too, (since last episode already) the Lorelai and Rory scenes are getting back to old terms and I liked the scene with Zach (Why am I getting slowly a fan of him? I never liked him *huh*).

The best parts (as already mentioned) were those with Kelly of course. The scenes with Richard and those with Lorelai and Emily - there was actually a process between them, some really good signs. I'm glad that there was no hug as it would've destroyed this beginning bonding that hopefully will grow through the next episodes - and looking at the newest spoilers, the Scotch, the remembering, I think we'll finally get what we've been waiting for so long, a new and stronger basis of Emily's and Lorela's relationship that doesn't come out of the blue (like a hug would've) but slowly developed, just like it would in real life.

I really think we can look forward to the rest of the Season *nods*

ETA: Forgot: Thanks sooo much blaab for the clips and everbody else for the new spoilers
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re the promo--I just keep watching it over and over...and LG is so good in that scene..and it saddens me to watch--but, this is what I think:

she has tried very hard to commit herself to Christopher. Knowing full well she never really got over Luke. So she pushed him to the back of her mind and tried to forget him. Then Chris brings it up along with the letter and it all comes back...he storms out and Luke shows up at the hospital--Lorelai is happy that he's there but in the back of her mind she doesn't want him there because of the implications of the letter with Chris and she doesn't want to see proof of her failed marriage with Chris being absent at the hospital. Also because she is trying to convinvce herself that what he said isn't true. But seeing him there and listening to Emily go on about what her marriage is like makes Lorelai realize that she doesn't have a real marriage with Christopher...and she vocalized it to Chris when she left the message saying she doesn't even know how to be his wife. She realizes that she doesn't have the kind of relationship she wants. Christopher is a selfish terd. He couldn't even be bothered to check his damn voicemail. I hope she gives him crap next week instead of defending herself for Luke being there even though she had no idea he would show up.

Now the part in the promo where she said "I need you to know that you are the man I want to want" says to me that she is not over Luke yet, but that she doesn't want to be in love with Luke. Firstly because she thinks he doesn't love her, and secondly because she doesn't want to be in love with him. Because of everything that went on between them, and all the pain he caused her, it hurts her to love Luke more than she does Christopher--a guy who wants her. So that's a tough situation to be in. That's pretty much my take on things. It looks like Chris will be somewhat understanding in the promo. Hopefully he'll realize that you can't force someone to fully love them the way you want. It's selfish, and he needs to realize his part in this whole mess as well.
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Reading your reaction, Riska, I was reminded of the moment I really felt for Emily. It wasn't during her meltdown. It was when she was talking to Richard about how she had followed the plan and she had ordered so much fish. That was a very "Awww. Love." moment for me.
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Well, if I ask someone to fuel my car, I always give him money as I don't expect anyone to pay for my gas. I don't even see why this (talking about the gas ) is discussed

For the rest of the episode, my two cents:

This was the best episode since 5x13 and it's the only one since 5x13 I'm going to watch over and over again. Kelly was simply amazing in it, I totally agree with the critic who wrote it was like an acting seminar from the beginning to the end. She was brilliant and I'm glad that the authors finally gave her an opportunity again to pull out all the (acting) stops, plus I hope that they'll give her more such opportunities.

But although it was a great episode, it wasn't as good as the "old" ones if it comes to the writing (I loved the scene in the giftshop, still it didn't touch me as much as the scene between Emily and Richard in F&S which always sends shivers through my body and was just perfect form both: acting and writing. I really missed such a strong scene between Emily and Richard, one with the energy of F&S. The one they had was good, but it lacked something. I was sure Emily is going to say something after Richards "It's fine" - but cut. It was like someone had changed the channel accidently. Plus, I'm kind of dissapointed that they didn't mention "the promise".) - still they're on a good way to bring the old energy back. It was good written, there was an evenly balance of humor, drama, love and family, but it's only that brilliant because the actors were brilliant and in top form. With worse actors, it would've been just okay.

I so had to laugh, when Emily threated Luke like he was a servant. Not because of the happening on screen only, but because of all the discussions in here how Emily will see Luke in a completly different light now and see what a good man he is blablabla ( - maybe she'll see what a good gofer he is now ) I always said this won't happen. And heck, it didn't. Kudos. Great feeling

Moreover, I don't understand how people can say it was sweet of Luke to drive to the hospital. It was inappropriate. He and Lorelai broke up. They aren't friends. He knows she's married (and he had that fight with Chris and knows that Chris doesn't like him and vise versa) to another man, "it" was a family thing (or was Sookie there? Michel? Babette? Friends of Emily and Richard? Nope. Because you don't drive to a hospital just like that, if it's not your family or you're considered as a family member) and therefore it was simply none of his business to drive to the hospital.

Mentioning Babette ^^ Theee, she was so sweet with all her babbling about her negligee, Paul Anka and Richard's sexiness. That was real fun and made me remember the "old" times (I'm stressing the world old too much, I know ) Logan and Rory were sweet, too, (since last episode already) the Lorelai and Rory scenes are getting back to old terms and I liked the scene with Zach (Why am I getting slowly a fan of him? I never liked him *huh*).

The best parts (as already mentioned) were those with Kelly of course. The scenes with Richard and those with Lorelai and Emily - there was actually a process between them, some really good signs. I'm glad that there was no hug as it would've destroyed this beginning bonding that hopefully will grow through the next episodes - and looking at the newest spoilers, the Scotch, the remembering, I think we'll finally get what we've been waiting for so long, a new and stronger basis of Emily's and Lorela's relationship that doesn't come out of the blue (like a hug would've) but slowly developed, just like it would in real life.

I really think we can look forward to the rest of the Season *nods*

ETA: Forgot: Thanks sooo much blaab for the clips and everbody else for the new spoilers
I agree, plus being a big European it's probably not the cheapest car around to fill. But Luke showed class by turning down the money. The weird part to me was Emily letting Luke drive the car at all, maybe she doesn't mind him now since he was engaged to Lorelai.

I just think the scene was a little off that's all, she went from "what's he doing here" to take my expensive car for a drive, just weird!
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Compared to American car's European cars don't need any gas at all, Craig

And i don't think it was weird for Emily to "offer". Although she might not like Luke, she never thought he was a thief. And I guess they're having a good insurance, after all that's Richard's job: insure things
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Reading your reaction, Riska, I was reminded of the moment I really felt for Emily. It wasn't during her meltdown. It was when she was talking to Richard about how she had followed the plan and she had ordered so much fish. That was a very "Awww. Love." moment for me.
Yep, NOT, there were two moments when I did choke up in this ep. That was that moment of Emily and the plan and sooo much fish, because after that speech in the hospital-store, that came across to me as the biggest I love You possible from Emily to Richard ... sure she uses different words, but that I felt was clearly her saying that!

And the scene where Lorelai leaves a message to Chris about her thinking her dad looked small from up in the tree and how she thought about that ... clearly explaining that she gets all freaked out whenever he doesn't seem to look strong and tall. Her being so focused on if he looked well, I loved that bit. I also loved how Luke got that. How Richard is a tall man and what that means to Lorelai.
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I liked that it was a throw back to her description of her parents looking small when she told them she was pregnant, too. (I didn't catch that until someone on a board pointed it out.) Small is the only way she can think of to describe him looking wrong. I did like when she told him that he looked tall, after the surgery.
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Reading your reaction, Riska, I was reminded of the moment I really felt for Emily. It wasn't during her meltdown. It was when she was talking to Richard about how she had followed the plan and she had ordered so much fish. That was a very "Awww. Love." moment for me.
Yep, NOT, there were two moments when I did choke up in this ep. That was that moment of Emily and the plan and sooo much fish, because after that speech in the hospital-store, that came across to me as the biggest I love You possible from Emily to Richard ... sure she uses different words, but that I felt was clearly her saying that!
This scene was the point I really had tears in my eyes, I agree here, despite I still have the feeling the ending of the scene was too aprubt.

But the biggest "I love you from Emily to Richard": We had that already in F&S, imo. When she said that she demands to go first. If this isn't equal to an ILY, if not even a climax of the famous three words - I don't know

Probably that's why I felt the scene was lacking a propper end. The face of Emily was just like she's going to say something like I love you and all of sudden the scene was over.

I totally agree however that Lorelai's story/remarks about Richard and being tall was great, especially with the history of her saying that Richard looked small to her when she told her parents that she was pregnant. It was great continuity. Gotta love that.
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Oh Riska, I didn't mean that as a comparison Her demanding to go first was definitely another example of this. I was more trying to say that is her way of expressing this huge love for this man ... and I guess we can agree on that!

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I liked that it was a throw back to her description of her parents looking small when she told them she was pregnant, too. (I didn't catch that until someone on a board pointed it out.) Small is the only way she can think of to describe him looking wrong. I did like when she told him that he looked tall, after the surgery.
Yep, exactly! I did remember that throw back. And I know there is another time Lorelai said something similar, but can't seem to remember ... anyone? Well, doesn't really matter. Maybe it come to me while sleeping. Later!
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Oh Riska, I didn't mean that as a comparison Her demanding to go first was definitely another example of this. I was more trying to say that is her way of expressing this huge love for this man ... and I guess we can agree on that!
Well, then I totally agree Especially as Richard was so quiet until she mentioned the fish thing. He knows that Emily isn't good in expressing her feelings in words and although they had the plan, he might've waited for someting else for her to say than just facts - her remark about buying "fish, so much fish" just showed him what a wreck she was while he was in surgery. An very odd, and very emilysih way to say ILY and as he knows her well, he knew it was, yep.
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