Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #155 ~ Babette finally one-upped East Side Tilly - Page 14

GEORGEIII · 02-07-2007, 06:43 AM

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Haven't wrapped my brain around the last ep yet. Need to watch the ep in one run for that to happen ... some things I definitely liked:

-Grandmother and mother of the bride both gave their blessing

Well, that is already taken care of for what I also would think is a wedding later on this season between Logan and Rory.

I also spec that Rory will provide the other 2 million or part of it (asks her dad or grandparents for some money she would otherwise get later) and will start this business together with Logan. It was pretty much established this ep that Rory definitely also has a thing for business. I now am convinced the TA will only be around to show Rory is able to speak up and be honest about her feelings and will be shown to be very capable of dealing with them. Deciding that what she has going on with Logan is so much more valuable!

Rory and entering this business with Logan would certainly be her initiating the jump, while holding hands ...

-I loved how it was shown that Luke was very aware of that he could cause problems between Lorelai and Chris. But that he just had to come. And he would understand if he had to leave right away also.

-Even though I did feel Emily was a little over the top in the beginning, after her speech it did make sense to me, that she acted the way she did. That is what she does for Richard, she takes care of all sorts of things. And they had a plan! (I actually specced this

Okee, with some indirect help of Sandlynn ... And that is her way of showing she is totally dedicated to this man. I also loved her babbling on in the hospitalroom with Richard and the calmness in which he responded.

-I liked the way Lorelai dealt with Chris not being there. I liked what she said on the phone, how she doesn't really know how to behave like a wife, but that she is trying. I dunno, seemed all very honest and open to me. And the moment he arrived she still seemed happy he was there ... but than Chris made an indirect comment about Luke again ...

-I also loved the Emily/Lorelai scene in the hospital store. I liked how this was how it for me is supposed to be between these two (for now). These walls can't suddenly be gone, but it was definitely clear that Lorelai felt for her mom and in her way was trying to be supportive. Hell, she even shared Duds (spelling) with her ...

And Emily and her Blood is thicker than water ...

-Logan, Logan, Logan ... can this guy be any more perfect?

-And I guess what I loved most was the fact that I did not feel this ep was overshadowed by the C/L/L stuff ...

-Oh Zack and Luke was a nice scene!

-Babette with those earwarmers in the Diner waiting for Luke cracked me up!
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What she said.

GEORGEIII · 02-07-2007, 06:53 AM

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This all makes sense but when will she chose between Luke and Chris, in the middle of Rory's graduation?

Dunno. But I think perhaps 7.14 and 7.15 will make clear that Lorelai has unresolved feelings for Luke and that she and Chris need to separate/part ways. It looks like a "mutual" parting though, at least from the promo of 7.14; we'll have to see how it plays out; since promos can't be trusted, of course. The issue that remains after 7.14-7.15 for a L/L reunion is, naturally, can Luke trust Lorelai again? (Romantically, that is, since it's obvious they are still friends.)

Mag13 · 02-07-2007, 06:56 AM

SarahLovesLogan, thanks for the PBP! I haven't seen it yet, so your description helps a lot!

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Lane and Zack ask Luke to be the babies' godfather.

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Zach asks Luke out to dinner

Maybe four godparents? Zack's friend and Luke, Rory and Lorelai?
Or: Lane asks Lorelai out to dinner also?
Some possible ways for Luke and Lorelai to meet!

**Mirella** · 02-07-2007, 07:06 AM

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SarahLovesLogan, thanks for the PBP! I haven't seen it yet, so your description helps a lot!

Maybe four godparents? Zack's friend and Luke, Rory and Lorelai?
Or: Lane asks Lorelai out to dinner also?
Some possible ways for Luke and Lorelai to meet!

Oh, I sure hope so

secret life · 02-07-2007, 07:14 AM

I never thought or expected, from the spoilers, that Lorelai's "epiphany" would be instigated by Emily's breakdown about "what a wife is, what a marriage is". (I suppose it was also abetted by seeing Logan with Rory.) I appreciated that--that it wasn't necessarily about Luke being a better man than Chris, but rather what Lorelai told Chris on the phone--that she was trying to be a wife, and that she figures married people should be there for each other. And her telling Chris that him not being there was not okay...I liked the way she said it, and how she came to that conclusion. It wasn't about her loving Luke still or not loving Chris...but rather how they could possibly make their marriage work if he couldn't get past hurts and doubts and old jealousies.

In contrast, in the few scenes that Luke was there, it seemed to me as if he and Lorelai had gotten past their messy past. Like they were friends--not quite the Lorelai-and-Luke of old (circa S1-4), but sort of getting there. I've read people complain or wonder why there weren't any sparks or any tinge of romance between them...but I think that was deliberate, and just right. It isn't the time for that now at all. It's good that he was there, and that he helped, and that was that.

I loved Emily. And I loved Logan. Both just so there for Richard and Rory in their own usual way.

secret life · 02-07-2007, 07:17 AM

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This all makes sense but when will she chose between Luke and Chris, in the middle of Rory's graduation?

I've said and thought it often...that I really don't think this is being played out as a Luke vs Chris scenario. She will come to terms about her marriage and relationship to Chris first. Her relationship with Luke--whatever form it would evolve to--would come later, and separately.

gilmorebrazil · 02-07-2007, 07:18 AM

One of my favourite scenes of last night episode was the final sequence after that awkward L/L/C encounter in the hallway: Rory comes smiling to her dad, but has both Logan and Emily protectively at her back pointed looking at him. And then when Rory guides Christopher to see Richard, Logan just goes with them without a word while Emily goes closer to Lorelai. They were such a family at moment and I loved it!

I have a guess about Emily's coldness towards Luke: in her mind he is still the guy who didn't want to marry her daughter neither wanted her to have contact with his daughter. I think this is something very hard to swallow from a mother's POV.

Now, I didn't see Emily all warm to Christopher either. So my spec is that she'll welcome the guy who makes Lorelai happy (no matter if Lorelai deserves or not or if said guy wasn't Emily's first choice in the past) . And we'll probably hear it from Emily in a future episode, just like we heard Lorelai's thoughts about RL relationship:

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Lorelai: Hey, Rory
Rory: Hey, mom
Lorelai: You know, glad to see you doing so well with Logan. I’m happy that you are happy.
Rory: Thanks!
Lorelai: He’s not half bad that kid. He’s almost okay.
Rory: Yeah, he’s all right.

**Mirella** · 02-07-2007, 07:24 AM

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One of my favourite scenes of last night episode was the final sequence after that awkward L/L/C encounter in the hallway: Rory comes smiling to her dad, but has both Logan and Emily protectively at her back pointed looking at him. And then when Rory guides Christopher to see Richard, Logan just goes with them without a word while Emily goes closer to Lorelai. They were such a family at moment and I loved it!

I have a guess about Emily's coldness towards Luke: in her mind he is still the guy who didn't want to marry her daughter neither wanted her to have contact with his daughter. I think this is something very hard to swallow from a mother's POV.

Now, I didn't see Emily all warm to Christopher either. So my spec is that she'll welcome the guy who makes Lorelai happy (no matter if Lorelai deserves or not or if said guy wasn't Emily's first choice in the past) . And we'll probably hear it from Emily in a future episode, just like we heard Lorelai's thoughts about RL relationship:

I completely agree with you, especially the bolded part.

secret life · 02-07-2007, 07:33 AM

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Now, I didn't see Emily all warm to Christopher either. So my spec is that she'll welcome the guy who makes Lorelai happy (no matter if Lorelai deserves or not or if said guy wasn't Emily's first choice in the past) .

In relation to this--and I'm not sure my interpretation is correct--Emily's words to Lorelai at the very end of the episode seemed to say this.

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(Watching Chris walk away with Rory and Logan)

Emily: It will be alright. Every cloud has a silver lining.

Lorelai: Thanks, Mom.

Emily: Well, you know what they say. Blood is thicker than water.

Like whatever happens, they (the Gilmores) are family, and they will support each other. Which was sort of the theme of the entire episode. The cliche is true, though one may get tired of hearing it.

Mag13 · 02-07-2007, 07:41 AM

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In contrast, in the few scenes that Luke was there, it seemed to me as if he and Lorelai had gotten past their messy past. Like they were friends--not quite the Lorelai-and-Luke of old (circa S1-4), but sort of getting there. I've read people complain or wonder why there weren't any sparks or any tinge of romance between them...but I think that was deliberate, and just right. It isn't the time for that now at all. It's good that he was there, and that he helped, and that was that.

Full agreement with this part. It wasn't the right moment; I'm sure, Lorelai is mad, Chris wasn't there when she needed him (as usual, it happened so many times in their "history"!), but she's far away from "Should I begin the divorce now?" thoughts. But the situation in the hospital initialized a change in how she thinks about the marriage with Chris. It's the first step.

lilmelodie · 02-07-2007, 07:45 AM

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In relation to this--and I'm not sure my interpretation is correct--Emily's words to Lorelai at the very end of the episode seemed to say this.

Like whatever happens, they (the Gilmores) are family, and they will support each other. Which was sort of the theme of the entire episode. The cliche is true, though one may get tired of hearing it.

That's what I was thinking too.

gilmorebrazil · 02-07-2007, 07:52 AM

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In relation to this--and I'm not sure my interpretation is correct--Emily's words to Lorelai at the very end of the episode seemed to say this.

IA. But I think she'll say more in the future. I'm really looking forward their drunk conversation in 7.15. Which may be an interesting contrast to Logan's birthday dinner with Mitchum.

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Like whatever happens, they (the Gilmores) are family, and they will support each other. Which was sort of the theme of the entire episode. The cliche is true, though one may get tired of hearing it.

**Mirella** · 02-07-2007, 07:52 AM

One thing that really disturbs me is in the end when Chris finally comes and makes Luke leave - all Lorelai can think about is not to make Chris angry again and starts defending the fact that Luke was there. Come on.

Wasen't she at all sad and angry at him for not being there? Why did she feel the need to explain to him why Luke was there and stressing the fact that she did not call him? It feels like she is so afraid to make him angry or mad and the only thing she does is constantly defending herself.

The only one who had any explaining to do was Chris about where he was and why he wasen't there for his family.

peachypeep · 02-07-2007, 08:03 AM

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The only one who had any explaining to do was Chris about where he was and why he wasen't there for his family.

ITA. This episode made him look like the self-centered jack-a$$ he's always been. I think Lorelai was too emotionally drained to explode. I think it was an eye-opener for Emily, too. This guy that she has been pushing on her daughter for 22 years is not worthy of her.

gilmorebrazil · 02-07-2007, 08:05 AM

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One thing that really disturbs me is in the end when Chris finally comes and makes Luke leave - all Lorelai can think about is not to make Chris angry again and starts defending the fact that Luke was there. Come on.

Wasen't she at all sad and angry at him for not being there? Why did she feel the need to explain to him why Luke was there and that she did not call him?

The problem is that Christopher is still her husband (by her choice no matter how poor it was) and father of her daughter. Rory, who unfortunately had to witness her grandfather collapse had already asked for Chris. And I wonder if Lorelai herself wasn't feeling guilt for not answer her own calls for a while, which kept Rory alone at the hospital longer than necessary.

So at that moment, with Richard at the hospital and her family suffering for him, the wiser thing to do was to avoid a confrontation. And I think Lorelai was very mature there.