Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #154 ~ Helicopters and He-Men - Page 11

**Mirella** · 02-06-2007, 09:42 AM

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I think the only one who was still hang up on their teenage love and past was Chris not Lorelai. She experienced true and deep love with Luke. She was over Chris. She only took him because he was there, he loved her, he wanted her and for him they were meant to be. After Luke told her they were not meant to be I guess she just needed that feeling back and Chris gave it to her.

I agree with you about her being with Chris was just because he was there, willing to make her happy and that Lorelai was "over" their teenage love, but I also think that when Luke said that they weren't meant to be and that she should be with someone like Chris - that must have been horrible to hear. And then to have Chris give his speech about how he loves her and on top of that - Paris and their experience there - I do think that she did think about their teenage love. But that's what is - teenage love.

ckomodo · 02-06-2007, 09:52 AM

Storming out when angry is one thing, staying out all night and then not checking your messages or letting your wife know you're not dead in a car accident or something or not making sure she can reach you if there is an emergency (hint hint) is another. Storming out is giving yourself some space and time, staying out all night and ignoring messages is passive/aggessive punishment, wanting Lorelai to suffer and worry (and no doubt do more of the begging, pleading she's been doing to keep him pacifed) Which is childish game playing and a big red flag so early in a marriage. This was when he should have returned after a few hours, all calmed down and ready to talk, but he didn't. Sounds like he let a whole night and big part of the next day pass before he even checked his messages. How long would he have punished her if Richard hadn't been in the hospital? If that was me, that's what I would be wondering. Along with did I really need this kind of stuff so early in a marriage and what's it going to be like 10 years from now.

peachypeep · 02-06-2007, 09:55 AM

Great post ckomodo.

Spikette · 02-06-2007, 09:59 AM

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I agree with you about her being with Chris was just because he was there, willing to make her happy and that Lorelai was "over" their teenage love, but I also think that when Luke said that they weren't meant to be and that she should be with someone like Chris - that must have been horrible to hear. And then to have Chris give his speech about how he loves her and on top of that - Paris and their experience there - I do think that she did think about their teenage love. But that's what is - teenage love.

Chris was willing to do all the things that she thought Luke wasn't. He was open about the letter from Sherry and asked her opinion. Maybe Lorelai, reeling from her pain about Luke, thought Chris wanted her...SOMEONE wanted her. She didn't feel Luke wanted her. Her self-esteem had to be crushed from what happened with Luke. Chris made her feel good, happy, wanted. When she is in a bubble with Chris, things work. When she gets home from Paris, it's another story and the regret begins.

**Mirella** · 02-06-2007, 10:16 AM

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Chris was willing to do all the things that she thought Luke wasn't. He was open about the letter from Sherry and asked her opinion. Maybe Lorelai, reeling from her pain about Luke, thought Chris wanted her...SOMEONE wanted her. She didn't feel Luke wanted her. Her self-esteem had to be crushed from what happened with Luke. Chris made her feel good, happy, wanted. When she is in a bubble with Chris, things work. When she gets home from Paris, it's another story and the regret begins.

She should have just talked to Luke from the beginning.

Spikette · 02-06-2007, 10:18 AM

Chris broods. He always has. He doesn't know what responsiblility and family are about at all. Look at how he behaved when Sherry wanted Gigi in Paris....very flip. He doesn't take parenting seriously. Why should he take being a husband any differently? If something doesn't make Chris feel good, he doesn't want any part of it. He totally avoids the tough times. VERY SHALLOW GUY

Sandlynn · 02-06-2007, 10:21 AM

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I think, he sort of really loves her, if love for another person than himself is something that exists in his world at all.

What world is that?

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And, as I said earlier, I think he saw that this was the only and last chance to have Lorelai that he'll ever get.

I don't understand this "last chance" idea. Lorelai wasn't going anywhere. In fact, Lorelai probably saw Chris as her last chance to be happy since Luke wasn't making her happy.

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Chris broods. He always has. He doesn't know what responsiblility and family are about at all. Look at how he behaved when Sherry wanted Gigi in Paris....very flip. He doesn't take parenting seriously.

I don't see how anybody can say that seeing as how he did step up to the plate for Gigi and became her only parent for quite some time. I don't see anything wrong with him wanting to give Gigi the opportunity to bond with her mother, especially since she wanted to. It's a heck of a lot better than keeping your child away from someone, like Luke kept April from Lorelai.

clmorrow · 02-06-2007, 10:22 AM

Maybe Chris thinks that by disappearing yet again after whatever happens when he gets to the hospital, she will really be pining for him the longer he is gone...still can't get over the fact that this grown man leaves again for two days after he's already been gone for the first day. Imagine ever believing he is someone you can count on when things are difficult or another crisis comes up.

I'm glad she's getting out now - better not to put them both through this thing for any longer.

I'm so hoping he blows in the hospital and doesn't just turn and walk away. In real life, I'd prefer the quiet walking away, but in a tv show, I want the drama of him making a scene by whatever "commotion" he encounters.

First time I've been excited about an episode since before AVV (which I really disliked from the moment L/L started that idiotic bit about Martha's Vineyard).

Having the whole family taking up an entire episode has been a long time coming - I hope the writers do it justice.

Spikette · 02-06-2007, 10:34 AM

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What world is that?

I don't understand this "last chance" idea. Lorelai wasn't going anywhere. In fact, Lorelai probably saw Chris as her last chance to be happy since Luke wasn't making her happy.

I don't see how anybody can say that seeing as how he did step up to the plate for Gigi and became her only parent for quite some time. I don't see anything wrong with him wanting to give Gigi the opportunity to bond with her mother, especially since she wanted to. It's a heck of a lot better than keeping your child away from someone, like Luke kept April from Lorelai.

He was going to let a little girl get on a plane ALL BY HERSELF to see a mom she had not seen in years. Wasn't going to care enough to make sure the poor thing was going to be okay! Lorelai had to chew him out about it. Yes, great parent he is. Gigi was out of control until Lorelai helped him. He is the kind of Dad who relies on Nannys and Grandma.

**Mirella** · 02-06-2007, 10:40 AM

I agree about Chris stepping up and taking care of Gigi was great and he should have done that. It was the right thing to do, I mean - did he have a choice?

But his decision about sending Gigi to her mom was done without thinking about it to the fullest. How would Gigi take it? Being all by herself with a mom she haden't seen in years? Even if his decision about sending her was right, she should see her mom, he didn't really think about how it would effect Gigi.

Spikette · 02-06-2007, 10:43 AM

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I agree about Chris stepping up and taking care of Gigi was great and he should have done that. It was the right thing to do, I mean - did he have a choice?

But his decision about sending Gigi to her mom was done without thinking about it to the fullest. How would Gigi take it? Being all by herself with a mom she haden't seen in years? Even if his decision about sending her was right, she should see her mom, he didn't really think about how it would effect Gigi.

EXACTLY!

Cappuccino · 02-06-2007, 11:00 AM

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I agree about Chris stepping up and taking care of Gigi was great and he should have done that. It was the right thing to do, I mean - did he have a choice?

But his decision about sending Gigi to her mom was done without thinking about it to the fullest. How would Gigi take it? Being all by herself with a mom she haden't seen in years? Even if his decision about sending her was right, she should see her mom, he didn't really think about how it would effect Gigi.

It was just one nice way to get Gigi out of the way so that he could concentrate 100% on Lorelai. He couldn't go with Gigi because he would have to leave Lorelai alone at home with her past life, her thoughts, feelings and she could have turned back to Luke or could have started thinking about her situation. The relationship was still fresh so he couldn't leave her out of his sight.

**Mirella** · 02-06-2007, 11:04 AM

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It was just one nice way to get Gigi out of the way so that he could concentrate 100% on Lorelai. He couldn't go with Gigi because he would have to leave Lorelai alone at home with her past life, her thoughts, feelings and she could have turned back to Luke or could have started thinking about her situation. The relationship was still fresh so he couldn't leave her out of his sight.

If that was the case, and he really did that - put Lorelai ahead of Gigi - well, that's incredibly low.

Cappuccino · 02-06-2007, 11:13 AM

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If that was the case, and he really did that - put Lorelai ahead of Gigi - well, that's incredibly low.

Well he wanted to send her to Paris on her own so he already put Lorelai ahead of his own kid. He did that all those years with Rory and still doesn't act any different if it comes to his first born.

lemon tart · 02-06-2007, 11:20 AM

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She'll either be getting ready for work or just arrived home from work. You have to remember it's still the same day as the morning in the previous episode. Therefore if she wasn't at work then she was most likely at home wallowing. Point is she won't be in the diner or even near it in this episode.

Heh, wallowing over Chris? That's not allowed, don't you know.

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Later, Christopher returns home and confronts Lorelai about the main issue hurting their marriage -- Lorelai's feelings for Luke.

Sounds like 2 people discussing the big white elephant in the room, not someone unilaterally dumping someone else. Or a mutual decision. Which also brings up, isn't there also a spoiler, also confirmed, that the breakup would have nothing to do with Luke. That also seems to be incorrect. It's ALL about Luke.

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He was going to let a little girl get on a plane ALL BY HERSELF to see a mom she had not seen in years.

No he wasn't. He was sending her with her nanny, who she was probably very familiar with. Lorelai was right, he needed to go as well. But he wasn't sending her by herself.