Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #154 ~ Helicopters and He-Men - Page 10

nst · 02-06-2007, 08:15 AM

whats amusing is today's afternoon episode is Forgiveness and stuff - two great hospital epsiodes - happy lorelai finally goes in to see her dad in the second episode

schmusibu · 02-06-2007, 08:22 AM

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She was in denial mode. Didn't work through her issues with Luke. She just shut everything down and pretended as if nothing ever happened.
Chris was there. Spent time with her. Took her mind off of things. She didn't want to deal with anything and Chris went along with it. When she came back from Paris with that ugly ring on her finger, it all of a sudden hit her but now she was in that situation and tried to deal with it as best as she could. She wanted it to work because she thought that was it for her. Luke told her they were not meant to be, they tried it and didn't work. So she turned to Chris because he was there. Simple as that. I bet if he hadn't there or so hadn't been so willing to take her she wouldn't have considered him at all.

ITA!

If he hadn't been so willing to have her try living in a relationship with him, she wouldn't have considered him at all.
And in the last epi he told her that he thought he could live with being her second choice, but actually couldn't. So, he knew that he wasn't really her heart's choice. IMO

Cappuccino · 02-06-2007, 08:30 AM

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ITA!

If he hadn't been so willing to have her try living in a relationship with him, she wouldn't have considered him at all.
And in the last epi he told her that he thought he could live with being her second choice, but actually couldn't. So, he knew that he wasn't really her heart's choice. IMO

Of course he knew he was just her second choice, the rebound guy and still went along with everything even initiated things. Who asked her to marry him in Paris ? It didn't come from Lorelai. In fact she didn't even say yes to his proposal. And now that everything backfires at him he blames her. Take some blame yourself for the whole mess Chris.

She deals with her issues she has with Chris. He is the one who whines, cries and turns around when the conversation doesn't go his way. Now he disappears for days again and doesn't deal with the situation. When he comes back Lorelai is going to talk to him and tell him he can pack his things. She can't count on him. You don't need a husband by your side you can't trust or rely on.

schmusibu · 02-06-2007, 08:38 AM

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Of course he knew he was just her second choice, the rebound guy and still went along with everything even initiated things. Who asked her to marry him in Paris ? It didn't come from Lorelai. In fact she didn't even say yes to his proposal. And now that everything backfires at him he blames her. Take some blame yourself for the whole mess Chris.

She deals with her issues she has with Chris. He is the one who whines, cries and turns around when the conversation doesn't go his way. Now he disappears for days again and doesn't deal with the situation. When he comes back Lorelai is going to talk to him and tell him he can pack his things. She can't count on him. You don't need a husband by your side you can't trust or rely on.

Well, he just never grew up or learned to face problems. He just keeps whining and feeling misunderstood.
But I think his problem, at first hand, is that his plan didn't work. He thought that if he could marry Lorelai and thus make her "his" and then take her out of Stars Holllow, away from Luke, things would turn out fine.
And when that didn't work out, he began freaking out, e.g. about the character reference, which was no love letter at all in my eyes.

Ciaobella · 02-06-2007, 08:43 AM

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Of course he knew he was just her second choice, the rebound guy and still went along with everything even initiated things. Who asked her to marry him in Paris ? It didn't come from Lorelai. In fact she didn't even say yes to his proposal. And now that everything backfires at him he blames her. Take some blame yourself for the whole mess Chris.

This is why I don't feel sorry for his ass. He knew what went down between Lorelai and Luke when she showed up at his door. But NOW he has a problem with being her "Rebound Guy"? That worked out to his advantage that night; matter of fact he had a "great time". And he worked it all the way to Paris.

But like you said Cap, the truth finally catches up to him. Next time, ask whether he's the Rebound before you get married, not after.

**Mirella** · 02-06-2007, 08:52 AM

If Chris knew he was Lorelais second choice and her rebound, why on earth would he have proposed to her, or yet - even had a relationship with her?

I don't get him at all. He plunges into a marriage, dragging his daughter with him - knowing what he knew apparantly? I mean, who does that?

But it's not just his fault. Lorelai should never have married him.

Season 7 starts here (Sweden) tonight. I still haven't decided if I'm going to watch. I don't know if I can't see all that again. I probably will.

tip · 02-06-2007, 08:57 AM

i think thats a bit unfair on Chris!
She agreed to marry him, fair enough then that he thought she had moved on from Luke! And why should the person you go out with next be the rebound guy and not just the 'next' guy!
I'm sorry but I think Lorelai is very much to blame for whats happened - yes Chris has faults but she knew that - the blame here lies with Lorelai - Chris loves her and wants her to love him as much as he loves her, hardly a crime!
She knew how Chris felt, he has told her more than once she is the one for him, that he wants to grow old with her and that he would wait for her.......she knew that when she agreed to date him (let alone marry him). She knew this was opening up a how load of potential issues with their relationship with Rory etc.....she went along with it of her own free will and to be honest showed no real signs of having any problems with it and no remorse over Luke! She seemed perfectly happy to me!

Until we see the episodes we wont know but at the moment for me Lorelai is the one acting badly!
(and yes, before anyone says it - Chris was wrong to storm out but thats hardly a reason to end a marriage! Bloody hell, mine would have been over years ago at that rate!! But I think he had a right to be upset over the letter, he mightnt have been if she had told him about it but nope Lorelai went and did exactly what she accused Luke of doing and hid something important from him)

schmusibu · 02-06-2007, 08:59 AM

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If Chris knew he was Lorelais second choice and her rebound, why on earth would he have proposed to her, or yet - even had a relationship with her?

I don't get him at all. He plunges into a marriage, dragging his daughter with him - knowing what he knew apparantly? I mean, who does that?

Dopey!

I think, he sort of really loves her, if love for another person than himself is something that exists in his world at all.
And, as I said earlier, I think he saw that this was the only and last chance to have Lorelai that he'll ever get.

tazzded · 02-06-2007, 09:03 AM

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If Chris knew he was Lorelais second choice and her rebound, why on earth would he have proposed to her, or yet - even had a relationship with her?

I don't get him at all. He plunges into a marriage, dragging his daughter with him - knowing what he knew apparantly? I mean, who does that?

But it's not just his fault. Lorelai should never have married him.

Season 7 starts here (Sweden) tonight. I still haven't decided if I'm going to watch. I don't know if I can't see all that again. I probably will.

You're right, it's not his fault, but he knew what he was getting himself into and he shouldn't blame anyone but himself for the mess he's in now.

Thanks for the thread!

Cappuccino · 02-06-2007, 09:04 AM

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If Chris knew he was Lorelais second choice and her rebound, why on earth would he have proposed to her, or yet - even had a relationship with her?

I don't get him at all. He plunges into a marriage, dragging his daughter with him - knowing what he knew apparantly? I mean, who does that?

But it's not just his fault. Lorelai should never have married him.

Season 7 starts here (Sweden) tonight. I still haven't decided if I'm going to watch. I don't know if I can't see all that again. I probably will.

Because he's stupid. He thought if he can keep her occupied and her mind off of things - mainly Stars Hollow and Luke - she would go along with everything and maybe one day make him her No.1. She also did a good job with avoiding things like not taking him with her when she run errands in town. He didn't fit into town - just look how the knit-a-thon turned out. He couldn't come to terms with Jackson and their man date was not really a blast. So he kept himself out of town. Tried to remove Lorelai by looking for a new house. She wasn't very fond of it so he tried another thing - impregnating her again. This didn't work out either and he saw that it wasn't as easy as he thought to get her out of her world and away from her past. To top it all Lorelai came more and more in contact with Luke again and of course that couldn't mean anything good.

**Mirella** · 02-06-2007, 09:05 AM

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i think thats a bit unfair on Chris!
She agreed to marry him, fair enough then that he thought she had moved on from Luke! And why should the person you go out with next be the rebound guy and not just the 'next' guy!
I'm sorry but I think Lorelai is very much to blame for whats happened - yes Chris has faults but she knew that - the blame here lies with Lorelai - Chris loves her and wants her to love him as much as he loves her, hardly a crime!
She knew how Chris felt, he has told her more than once she is the one for him, that he wants to grow old with her and that he would wait for her.......she knew that when she agreed to date him (let alone marry him). She knew this was opening up a how load of potential issues with their relationship with Rory etc.....she went along with it of her own free will and to be honest showed no real signs of having any problems with it and no remorse over Luke! She seemed perfectly happy to me!

Until we see the episodes we wont know but at the moment for me Lorelai is the one acting badly!

Of course, it's Lorelais fault too. I said that also.

For me, Lorelai was confused and didn't think and he kind of swooped her off her feet. She was hurting from her breakup with Luke (and he knew that) and Chris was there and she thought she had a chance of happiness, and espacially after his speech - she gave him a chance.

But he can't force her to love him as much as he loves her. That's taking it too far. He can't be mad at her for loving somebody else. And after he himself says that he can't be her second choice and he is her rebound I mean, what did he think from the beginning? That everything would be okey as long as she forgot Luke?

schmusibu · 02-06-2007, 09:06 AM

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i think thats a bit unfair on Chris!
She agreed to marry him, fair enough then that he thought she had moved on from Luke! And why should the person you go out with next be the rebound guy and not just the 'next' guy!
I'm sorry but I think Lorelai is very much to blame for whats happened - yes Chris has faults but she knew that - the blame here lies with Lorelai - Chris loves her and wants her to love him as much as he loves her, hardly a crime!
She knew how Chris felt, he has told her more than once she is the one for him, that he wants to grow old with her and that he would wait for her.......she knew that when she agreed to date him (let alone marry him). She knew this was opening up a how load of potential issues with their relationship with Rory etc.....she went along with it of her own free will and to be honest showed no real signs of having any problems with it and no remorse over Luke! She seemed perfectly happy to me!

Until we see the episodes we wont know but at the moment for me Lorelai is the one acting badly!

To me, regarding her feelings, Lorelai was NEVER really over Luke.
She had to move on as she thought that Luke was over it and that he wouldn't EVER want her back .

**Mirella** · 02-06-2007, 09:12 AM

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Because he's stupid. He thought if he can keep her occupied and her mind off of things - mainly Stars Hollow and Luke - she would go along with everything and maybe one day make him her No.1. She also did a good job with avoiding things like not taking him with her when she run errands in town. He didn't fit into town - just look how the knit-a-thon turned out. He couldn't come to terms with Jackson and their man date was not really a blast. So he kept himself out of town. Tried to remove Lorelai by looking for a new house. She wasn't very fond of it so he tried another thing - impregnating her again. This didn't work out either and he saw that it wasn't as easy as he thought to get her out of her world and away from her past. To top it all Lorelai came more and more in contact with Luke again and of course that couldn't mean anything good.

That just proves that their idea of being married to each other wasen't really perfect after all.

Their lives are completely different than they were at 16. The fantasy kind of exploded in both their faces when reality kicked in, and Lorelai will se this in the next episode when her husband should be there for her and her daughter - his family - but he isn't. She is alone again, and he - because of his selfishness - fails to be there for his family.

Cappuccino · 02-06-2007, 09:28 AM

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That just proves that their idea of being married to each other wasen't really perfect after all.

Their lives are completely different than they were at 16. The fantasy kind of exploded in both their faces when reality kicked in, and Lorelai will se this in the next episode when her husband should be there for her and her daughter - his family - but he isn't. She is alone again, and he - because of his selfishness - fails to be there for his family.

I think the only one who was still hang up on their teenage love and past was Chris not Lorelai. She experienced true and deep love with Luke. She was over Chris. She only took him because he was there, he loved her, he wanted her and for him they were meant to be. After Luke told her they were not meant to be I guess she just needed that feeling back and Chris gave it to her.

elduccia · 02-06-2007, 09:34 AM

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That just proves that their idea of being married to each other wasen't really perfect after all.

Their lives are completely different than they were at 16. The fantasy kind of exploded in both their faces when reality kicked in, and Lorelai will se this in the next episode when her husband should be there for her and her daughter - his family - but he isn't. She is alone again, and he - because of his selfishness - fails to be there for his family.

I hope this complaints that Lorelai have toward Chris pass the 7.13 and get into the 7.14.

As I said the "she loves him/loves him not" is not a reliable card. It's been changing throughout the years from season 1 depending on the writers, show runner and SL.

So right now what really matters to me is that Lorelai ends this "he's a great guy with a great heart" charade and considers Chris a closed chapter.
Just like it was up until that awful Partings episode.