Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #151 ~ Stop Putting the A-Talent in C-Storylines - Page 18

secret life · 02-02-2007, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Shanti70 (View Post)

Yes, Logan went to London to work for Mitchum, but was the internet company part of the Huntzberger co.? I got the impression it was Logan's alone.

Maybe the wording of the episode discription is muddled. Maybe Mitchum knows something about Logan's business venture being in trouble and he asks for Rory's help in keeping Logan from going off the deep end. Maybe Mitchum is afraid of Logan turning to his old ways if he feels that he failed at his job.

My impression was that Logan was definitely working within the Huntzberger company in London, but acquired the internet company of his own volition/leadership--but still within the Huntzberger group. I recall when he was helping Rory move to Paris' apartment, and he was inviting her to join him in a business meeting at Nobu, he explicitly mentioned that they would eat up an enormous bill and have his father pay for it.

But perhaps Logan decided to focus on that new internet venture and Mitchum is worried that he's deviating from whatever master plan he has for Logan. The way the episode description is worded, Mitchum tries to talk to Rory to influence Logan first, then later Logan hears some bad news about his company. If his company was going under, Logan would have been on top of it all along, but this sounds so sudden. So I'm wondering whether Mitchum had a hand in that. (Not that I trust episode descriptions at all, heh.)

And if Mitchum orchestrated the NYT post for Rory too...well then, that introduces all sorts of interesting shenanigans in the RL storyline.

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I kind of wonder why the birthday dinner is uncomfortable. It seems that the Huntzbergers and Rory should have come to an understanding by now.

Rory wouldn't have interacted with them all the time Logan was in London; the last time she encountered Mitchum was in the elevator in Partings, and I wouldn't call that a pleasant encounter (even though they came to a silent agreement at the end of it). After BIAG and SCPP, I doubt whether Rory's feelings have warmed towards them, and they have no reason to like her any better either. She's still not Huntzberger wife material, not by Shira/Elias' book.

elduccia · 02-02-2007, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyCerts (View Post)

Look, once the LC crap is over, the other characters finally have a SL again...

And man are you right or what?

Just reading the list of characters for the post-Christopher phase makes me feel like this show is alive again!

And although I'm a JJ, I love Rory and Logan and I'm beyond thrilled to get Mitchum back in the show. He's gonna stirr up thing a little, I know, but Good Lord it was about time that Rory and Logan had a decent storyline.!

secret life · 02-02-2007, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Fuzzycerts

Look, once the LC crap is over, the other characters finally have a SL again...

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But then it will be boring and no one will watch

Are you suggesting that a Rory or RL storyline will be boring?!? Oh right, you have a smiley face...If I seem humorless, it's only because the lack of a storyline for Rory has become seriously ridiculous. The hope that this will change in future eps is one of the few reasons I watch GG at all.

It is LLC that has become boring, in my view.

elduccia · 02-02-2007, 06:00 AM

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Are you suggesting that a Rory or RL storyline will be boring?!? Oh right, you have a smiley face...If I seem humorless, it's only because the lack of a storyline for Rory has become seriously ridiculous. The hope that this will change in future eps is one of the few reasons I watch GG at all.

I really think he was being humorous.

And I agree, although I'm a JJ, I am first and foremost a Gilmore Girls fan. And I'm beyond happy that Mitchum is back and RL get a decent storyline.

I'm also hoping for more REAL Lorelai/Rory interaction, like in 7.11.

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It is LLC that has become boring, in my view.

I think that too. I think it's time to remove the C from LLC and move on!

notoutforawalk · 02-02-2007, 06:01 AM

I thought it was a reference to all the good drama they talked about in the summer and we got...the Love notatriangle from Hell. A dig at the writers, not Rory and Logan.

caf123 · 02-02-2007, 06:06 AM

secret, I think lancer was being sarcastic.

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Originally Posted by elduccia

And man are you right or what?

Just reading the list of characters for the post-Christopher phase makes me feel like this show is alive again!

TA.

It's funny how DSR spells out really small points that viewers probably have the brains to figure out for themselves, but leaves the important ones open to interpretation.

Is this connnected? Was the reason we saw so little of SH and other characters meant to show how Chris pulled Lorelai away from her town, her home (even unintentionally)? Or did the the lack of other storylines, other characters, reflect the new teams' teething pains, as some have suggested?

Either way, bring on the new and improved episodes.

secret life · 02-02-2007, 06:07 AM

Oh, I know Craig was being humorous. I'm the one who's being humorless and extra-sensitive about RL and their rare, precious SL.

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I think that too. I think it's time to remove the C from LLC and move on!

I think it's time to remove the C and the L from the L and move on!

FuzzyCerts · 02-02-2007, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by elduccia (View Post)

I think it's time to remove the C from LLC and move on!

Yep, soon, soon.....

Cappuccino · 02-02-2007, 06:12 AM

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It is LLC that has become boring, in my view.

For me the C -talent was quiet entertaining

but the whole LC experiment was way too much and tiring at some points. Since there was no LL it was not boring at all

Well since C moves to Fiji and the LC show comes to an end lets put the LL show back on

Because that show includes Stars Hollow and the townies

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Is this connnected? Was the reason we saw so little of SH and other characters meant to show how Chris pulled Lorelai away from her town, her home (even unintentionally)? Or did the the lack of other storylines, other characters, reflect the new teams' teething pains, as some have suggested?

That's how I see the whole thing. He knew he was No.2 so he had to make sure she was getting in little to no contact to her old life which was deeply connected to No.1. He didn't get along with the townies. The townies didn't get along with him so Lorelai didn't really have another choice than to stay away from everything. He tried by moving her into a new house away from Stars Hollow. Putting another bun in her oven so she would set her mind on that and of course it would have been another way to mark his territory again. It's just too damn bad little wifey didn't go along with his plan for long and now it backfires big time

lancer1993 · 02-02-2007, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by secret life

Are you suggesting that a Rory or RL storyline will be boring?!? Oh right, you have a smiley face...If I seem humorless, it's only because the lack of a storyline for Rory has become seriously ridiculous. The hope that this will change in future eps is one of the few reasons I watch GG at all.

It is LLC that has become boring, in my view.

I was actual poking fun at it being boring when L&L hook up again LOL

Sandlynn · 02-02-2007, 06:37 AM

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Is this connnected? Was the reason we saw so little of SH and other characters meant to show how Chris pulled Lorelai away from her town, her home (even unintentionally)? Or did the the lack of other storylines, other characters, reflect the new teams' teething pains, as some have suggested?

There's another way to look at that which isn't so much full of blame re what Chris is doing to Lorelai. Before Lorelai got married, she had no reason to stay at home. The town was her social life, especially with Rory gone. Once she got married, she had a reason to stay home. She had a family -- a new husband and stepdaughter to occupy her time and keep her company. So, yes, "Chris pulled Lorelai away from her town" in *that* way, even though she was in her town every day and never moved away. But, that's pretty natural and expected. Even having a new baby at home, keeps people home more than they used to be.

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That's how I see the whole thing. He knew he was No.2 so he had to make sure she was getting in little to no contact to her old life which was deeply connected to No.1.

Is that why he was so eager to share her town life with her because he wanted to keep her away from it? Chris wasn't keeping her away from it. She chose not to be a part of it. Plus, it was also about what I mentioned above.

lancer1993 · 02-02-2007, 06:41 AM

Very early I have this weeks transcript up Gilmore Girls - Transcript 143

Night all...

secret life · 02-02-2007, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by elduccia

Just reading the list of characters for the post-Christopher phase makes me feel like this show is alive again!

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Originally Posted by caf123 (View Post)

Is this connnected? Was the reason we saw so little of SH and other characters meant to show how Chris pulled Lorelai away from her town, her home (even unintentionally)?

Or did the the lack of other storylines, other characters, reflect the new teams' teething pains, as some have suggested?

I do not "blame" Chris for the lack of Rory/town SLs, it is the entire LLC debacle that contributed to it.

I think the reason is more technical than substantive/story-related. Without Christopher, and without a separate Luke storyline, then space can be "freed up" for other SLs. Whatever SL Luke has will now once again be tied to Lorelai's. And Lorelai's SL will be once again tied to the elder Gilmores', Rory's, the townspeople. Chris is not a townie, he's an "outsider" to GG in many ways, and it might have been unrealistic to have his SL involved with all these other characters. In the writers' effort to deepen the LC relationship, they focused on just that, LC. Meanwhile, Luke had his own separate SL, while Rory's separate SL suffered a loss of screen time. I'm not blaming Luke for Rory's lack of SL--I blame the writers for not prioritizing a Gilmore Girl. Again, I think it was a matter of the writers trying to stuff the substantial, dramatic LLC SL in a small space.

I don't think that story-wise, we are meant to think that Chris pulled Lorelai away from SH. I don't believe he can--he may have tried with the attempt to move into a new house--but he obviously did not succeed.

Cappuccino · 02-02-2007, 06:53 AM

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Is that why he was so eager to share her town life with her because he wanted to keep her away from it? Chris wasn't keeping her away from it. She chose not to be a part of it. Plus, it was also about what I mentioned above.

Well he didn't really do anything to get more involved with the town either. Calling Jackson the Farmer all the time doesn't really show his respect for him or that he was in any way interested in getting to know him. Same goes for the festival where he just paid the amount of money that was needed without even getting into the whole meaning why the town does crazy stuff like that. He tried once to get into the town life - failed and just shut down. Went into sulking mode like always and didn't try again.

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I do not "blame" Chris for the lack of Rory/town SLs, it is the entire LLC debacle that contributed to it.

Sorry but without Luke there wouldn't be a town storyline at all this season. He is the only one who is being shown with townies. LC are hogging all the screen time - not Luke.

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And if Chris was really ok with the town and everyone why did he say:

CHRISTOPHER: I can't believe I just had coffee from his place.

LORELAI: Coffee? Sweetie, I told you Sookie brought that, okay?

CHRISTOPHER: Do you still talk to him? I mean, do you see him?

He seemed ok when she told him she had contact with him because of April being sick and now all of a sudden he questions her if she talks or sees him. He thinks he had pulled her out of her Stars Hollow life successfully but news flash - no he didn't. He can't handle that and of course he blames her for it and takes off.

Do you STILL talk to him.

Why shouldn't she ? And it really sounds as if he once told her already not to have any contact with him.

elduccia · 02-02-2007, 07:13 AM

I think that, although with different pov, Caf, Sandy, Cappu and Secret you all have a point.

There has been little to no interaction btw Lorelai and the townies. Maybe it's because the writers needed time to deepen the LC thing in half a season - not that much, if you think it took LL a whole season to get engaged.
They had to make LC go all the way through their relationship - which, at this point I feel they have done - so that once and for all the LC chapter was going to get closed.