Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #150 ~ Lovely Weather For A Tray Ride Together - Page 15

lancer1993 · 01-31-2007, 04:11 PM

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Is that true?

We really don't know, there are so many stories out there. Last year they said SP was locked in for S8 or wanted to do it but now we don't know if the media is blowing things up or if things have changed?

Okay I'm out for a while

clmorrow · 01-31-2007, 04:11 PM

I think Lorelai might actually be leaving a second message for Chris because why be so upset if it is the first message. I could see that she earlier left a message and she doesn't hear back from him and he doesn't show up and she leaves this other message saying she's his wife and that it's not okay. At that point, I could see her saying that in the message because she's probably feeling frustrated and hurt by then.

peachypeep · 01-31-2007, 04:16 PM

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Right now, Luke's the past. Just like Chris was in S5. Just like in WBB, she still loved Chris, but that love wasn't *active*. She loves Luke still, but it's latent, not *active* she's concentrating on her love for Chris.

Sorry lemon - good try, but there is not an iota evidence in WBB and the episodes following that Lorelai still had any feelings for Chris, save contempt at his weakness and perfidy.

catkirk7 · 01-31-2007, 04:20 PM

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I think Lorelai might actually be leaving a second message for Chris because why be so upset if it is the first message. I could see that she earlier left a message and she doesn't hear back from him and he doesn't show up and she leaves this other message saying she's his wife and that it's not okay. At that point, I could see her saying that in the message because she's probably feeling frustrated and hurt by then.

I believe we have a spoiler saying she's calling him all day. I would imagine that is at least her second message. That doesn't mean he's listened to any of them. It makes sense to me with how she was calling desperately after him as he left that he assumes she's calling to try and explain more. If he's not ready to talk to her yet, I can understand why he wouldn't listen to her message (like Rory in ILP). We don't know whose calls he's ignoring or what he knows before he shows up at the hospital.

lemon tart · 01-31-2007, 04:22 PM

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What is she supposed to do? If anything, those scenes redeemed her a little in my eyes. She's trying to make things work with the person she is with. Plus, I think from her perspective, Luke is the one who didn't love her enough/didn't want to marry her. Once she decided on this, she stuck with it and tucked their romance far into her mind. She thinks there's no chance with him. So she's sticking to her marraige and the decision she made to be with Christopher, even if she knows deep down that she is not truly in love with him.

Had Luke come to her and confessed his love for her --like Christopher did in WBB-- I think we would see a very different reaction from her. Filled with regret and longing and maybe THEN it would hit her, all the repressing she's done. But when Christopher confessed his love for Lorelai in WBB, she didn't budge, not one bit.

I don't think this makes any sense. I don't think if Luke showed up on her porch right this instant and told her he loves her she would drop Chris. Which is about the scenario you're suggesting. Any more than I expected her to drop Luke when Chris made his play in WBB. In WBB she was with Luke, now she's with Chris.

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Sorry lemon - good try, but there is not an iota evidence in WBB and the episodes following that Lorelai still had any feelings for Chris, save contempt at his weakness and perfidy.

Likewise, I don't see anything but some regrets for what might have been with Luke, now. She's with Chris, fully. She's not going to throw Chris over for Luke. Not one bit. Sorry. That's not what I see. I see a woman that loves her husband. And she's always loved him, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to move on so quickly into a marriage she's committed to.

lancer1993 · 01-31-2007, 04:22 PM

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Who said he's not answering the phone for Francine, who actually has Gigi in her care?

So it's better he is avoiding calls from his mother who is looking after his young daughter?

The phone would have caller ID so he would know who is calling (if Lorelai calls his cell phone).

I agree he is emotional but if Lorelai has called several times and he wants to give it another go later then pick up the phone.

I think this whole SL is stupid and manipulative, Luke was the idiot last year and kicked out, now they move on to Chris. I said it before no frakken winners with this whole SL!

Tara Ashley · 01-31-2007, 04:28 PM

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I don't think if Luke showed up on her porch right this instant and told her he loves her she would drop Chris. Which is about the scenario you're suggesting. Any more than I expected her to drop Luke when Chris made his play in WBB. In WBB she was with Luke, now she's with Chris.
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She wouldn't drop him, but she would be deeply pained. We'd see signs of regret and remorse and longing. Heck, we see inkilings of those signs now. We saw none of that in WBB.

clmorrow · 01-31-2007, 04:31 PM

I'm going with Lorelai leaving Chris messages which he doesn't listen to because he doesn't yet want to talk to her. Then finally does listen and goes to the hospital. If they have him hear the messages and still not get in touch or go to the hospital, that would really make him look horrible.

Something obviously happens in this episode that triggers Lorelai "epiphany" - just curious how it plays out.

peachypeep · 01-31-2007, 04:33 PM

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Likewise, I don't see anything but some regrets for what might have been with Luke, now. She's with Chris, fully. She's not going to throw Chris over for Luke. Not one bit. Sorry. That's not what I see. I see a woman that loves her husband. And she's always loved him, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to move on so quickly into a marriage she's committed to.

I agree, she's not going to throw Chris over for Luke. Luke doesn't love her anymore. And she has made her commitment to Chris. But she is going to throw Chris over for being the same immature ******* he's always been.

lancer1993 · 01-31-2007, 04:35 PM

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She wouldn't drop him, but she would be deeply pained. We'd see signs of regret and remorse and longing. Heck, we see inkilings of those signs now. We saw none of that in WBB.

And in WBB what is the first thing she did at the end, she went to find Luke, did she do that this week with Chris, she didn't even follow him out to the car.

I don't know maybe they just needed time apart and something else happens in 13, we already know he turns up late and then goes MIA for 2 days.

SPEC - what if Lorelai opens up to Rory about why Chris is not there and tell her about the letter and "like a father" and Rory say I always thought that, just as Chris is listening in around the corner!

lemon tart · 01-31-2007, 04:37 PM

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She wouldn't drop him, but she would be deeply pained. We'd see signs of regret and remorse and longing. Heck, we see inkilings of those signs now. We saw none of that in WBB.

It depends on the situation. Luke was walking away from her, in the aftermath he's dumping her. What was there to be regretful of in that situation, except to be angry at herself, and thrust that anger at Chris? Plus, Chris was making an ass of himself. Yeah, she was going to be angry at Chris.

The better || is perhaps HSEB...D, where she didn't want to hurt Chris, even though she's happy.

If Luke showed up and made some sort of drunken play for Lorelai, now, I would expect something like what she did in WBB. But that's not Luke, so it won't happen. But I would expect her to stay with Chris, no regrets.

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I agree, she's not going to throw Chris over for Luke. Luke doesn't love her anymore. And she has made her commitment to Chris. But she is going to throw Chris over for being the same immature ******* he's always been.

Actually, Chris has already dumped her because he can't reconcile who she is with what he needs her to be. It's still to be seen if she reciprocates by dumping him as well.

Tara Ashley · 01-31-2007, 04:40 PM

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If Luke showed up and made some sort of drunken play for Lorelai, now, I would expect something like what she did in WBB. But that's not Luke, so it won't happen. But I would expect her to stay with Chris, no regrets.

True, it's a situation that would never happen. But I see regrets -- SSS was one big Lorelai-wondering-what-if episode, IMO. And I saw absolutely none of that in season 5 or season 6, when she encountered Christopher. I saw a SMIDGE of it in Partings, at FND, but I attributed to the fact that she was deeply hurting. I think there are regrets flying all over the place now, and episode 13 is going to play on that.

peachypeep · 01-31-2007, 04:48 PM

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Actually, Chris has already dumped her because he can't reconcile who she is with what he needs her to be. It's still to be seen if she reciprocates by dumping him as well.

Really? Are we sure of this? I didn't realize Chris had actually ended things with Lorelai. I thought he was having a hissy fit.

lemon tart · 01-31-2007, 04:49 PM

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True, it's a situation that would never happen. But I see regrets -- SSS was one big Lorelai-wondering-what-if episode, IMO. And I saw absolutely none of that in season 5 or season 6, when she encountered Christopher. I saw a SMIDGE of it in Partings, at FND, but I attributed to the fact that she was deeply hurting. I think there are regrets flying all over the place now, and episode 13 is going to play on that.

But, there's also the fact that in S5 she's 2 years removed from *trying* with Chris. Here she's just months post being engaged to and ready to marry Luke. To not have some regrets would be inhuman. She's a big ball of pain at the beginning of S3 after Chris walks away from her. Personally, I think this is a 3 or more season arc that they're stuffing into 1. But that's just me.

caf123 · 01-31-2007, 04:55 PM

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ETA - and thanks for the ratings, WOW 4.3 after 3.72 for ep 11 is a good number!

How can numbers disagree like this?

For the record - including Mag's sources, we have three takes on last night's ratings:

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Zap2It: (fast nationals, which are usually higher than the actuals)
“American Idol” delivered an 18.6/28 for FOX at 8 p.m. An “NCIS” rerun on CBS finished second at 7.8/12. “Dateline” was third in households for NBC, but ABC's “America's Funniest Home Videos,” 3.7/6, had a few more viewers. ”Gilmore Girls” pulled down a 2.8/4 for The CW.

Last week, zap2it said ep. 7.11 “netted a subpar 2.6/4”.

Variety:
Of note at the CW was "Gilmore Girls" (2.1/5 in 18-49, 4.3 million viewers overall), which, despite facing "Idol," logged its best score among women 18-34 (4.0/10) since last January.

Hollywood Reporter:
Nothing else on the networks between 8 p.m. and 10 p.m. could even try to compete. CBS offered up repeats "NCIS" (12.2 million, 2.3/6) at 8 pm. and "The Unit" (9 million, 2.3/5); both were the best-performing of the rest against "Idol" and "House." "Dateline NBC" ( 5.6 million, 2.1/5) couldn't get much traction. The CW's "Gilmore Girls" (4.2 million, 2.1/5) tied "Dateline" and beat ABC's "America's Funniest Home Videos" (5.7 million, 1.7 /4) in adults 18-49.[/b]

I only have last week's zap2it, which shows an increase of 2/10ths (insignificant). While the other two sources are more upbeat, all three give different numbers.

Maybe someone else can make something of them, I'm too tired.