Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #150 ~ Lovely Weather For A Tray Ride Together - Page 13

damselfly · 01-31-2007, 01:23 PM

I was describing the extended promo this morning to a friend who can't watch it at work, and she asked if Lorelai was actually talking to Chris outside the hospital, or if she was leaving him a message. I thought she was leaving a message, but honestly never considered she might be talking to him. What do you think?

TheJSW · 01-31-2007, 01:24 PM

ckomodo, do you see me coming with hate? Do you? Since I read nothing but rage in your response, and it leaves me GIVING SUPER DAP to NEW HAVEN. Now that's a reply. No hate. No bile. Honesty. More fans like her...I would be all sorts of TIGGER up in this joint. Again, I can bring the pain, and I can bring it forever. However, pain and rage, even when I do it...do not fit this world. This is not WARWORLD. Mongol is not ruling over it. Chris is not a villian. TO assume he is a villian, and view him from that prism. Totally negates who he truly is...a less than stand-up guy.

Finally, Tara, do you really think that Lorelai totally loses her love for Chris after they divorce? There is always residue. It's not like it will change anything. However, a stand-up guy, accepts the woman as she is. He does not need her to change the past. He accepts as is because unconditional love works that way. So, in a sense, Luke will just deal with Chris' existance. He will deal because he loves Lorelai. In the end...that's all that matters.

ckomodo · 01-31-2007, 01:29 PM

Blaab, I agree that Lorelai is honestly trying with Chris, which is almost the problem, she's trying to please him and her parents and the kids, almost as though she's given up on her being happy, might as well do something that pleases everyone else. From the day they got back in SH she's being petting his arm, pleading with him, trying to set up a social life for him, placating him, is that a marriage? Is that a relationship? Anytime she's tried to have a say she's been shot down (notice the TV, the vow renewals) she's given in on everything but the house. But I do think it's unfare to judge her relationship with Luke by how it ended. If it ends it's going be lousy, that's a given. They both made mistakes, they both are suffering the consequences, it doesn't mean it wasn't great for a long while and couldn't be great again. Whereas, she has the whole deal with Chris and it's not happy anyway. Trying as she is, is she one bit happier then last season? Does she have a way more trusting and considerate partner? Her parents love Chris, Rory's on board, Sookie and Jackson are on board, Chris is being given every opportunity to be the one and he's not doing it. And, bottom line, it's just not healthy or normal to go so quickly from one relationship to the other and Chris should have been mature enough to wait. Not only did he not wait, he now blames her for the obvious - he is a second choice, how could he not be so soon after Luke? "I don't want to be your rebound." well, bit late fellah. As usual, Luke doesn't matter, Lorelia's to blame and Chris gets a walk. There's none of the problems like with April and Anna getting in Lorelai and Chris's way and they're still having problems. It says to me that there just isn't the love there.

Cappuccino · 01-31-2007, 01:34 PM

Director's Cut is up

rapid share avi version Here

You tube version Here

lancer1993 · 01-31-2007, 02:11 PM

Okay DC clip for 7.13 done.

ETA - Thanks juststandingstill for the spelling help

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HOSPITAL – WAITING ROOM
[Lorleai, Emily and Rory waiting.]

LORELAI: Arr, Doctor Goldstein

EMILY: I’m Emily Gilmore.

DOC: Good, I’m glade you’re here the blockage is worse than we hoped, I think the best cause of action, really the only course of action is the do and emergency open heart surgery.

LORELAI: Open heart surgery.

EMILY: Let him finish Lorelai

DOC: We like to got into surgery as soon as possible, So now would be the time if you’d like to visit with him

RORY: Yes, yes we’d like to see him.

DOC: If you’d follow me please.

HOSPITAL – CAFETERIA
[Lorelai and Emily in line for food]

EMILY: I hardly know what anything is. That pale misshapen thing, is that a sandwich or a piece of chicken.

LORELAI: Maybe it’s a chicken sandwich, oh no it’s Quiche.

EMILY: That a Quiche?

LORELAI: That’s Quiche.

EMILY: That blobby white thing is suppose to be Quiche Lorraine.

LORELAI: Doesn’t say it’s Quiche Lorraine, maybe it’s Quiche blobby white thing.

EMILY: The audacity charging money for this.

LORELAI: Well it’s hospital food.

EMILY: What’s that suppose to mean?

LORELAI: I’m just saying it’s a cliche.

EMILY: What is?

LORELAI: Hospital food being bad.

EMILY: Exactly!

LORELAI: What.

EMILY: It’s a cliche for a reason, cliche are just true things people are tired of being true. Like a “penny saved is a penny earned”, well it is invested wisely.

LORELAI: I don’t think that’s a cliche mom.

EMILY: What do you mean, of course it’s a cliche.

LORELAI: It’s not a cliche its more an over used saying like “Sweating bullets” or “It’s as cold as ice”.

EMILY: Well some over used sayings are true, like “Children should be seen and not heard”.

LORELAI: “Mother knows best”

EMILY: “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all”

[Emily’s phone rings]

EMILY: Hello, oh Quinten hello.

[Emily walks off leaving Lorelai with the food trays, she follows Emily to a table]

EMILY: No I’m not busy at all, you haven’t interrupted a thing, thank you for returning my call so promptly. Oh that’s very kind Quinten, that’s right yes. Oh I’m fine, thank you. Listen it’s been a while since some of the paperwork, yes I was wonder if you could fax some things over here to the hospital, I think I have access to a machine. Well the first thing I’d like you to fax is his will. [Lorelai looks surprised] That’s right both the standard Will and the living Will. Well I’m not sure about the DNR provisions he established. Oh that would be wonderful, thank you Quinten, talk to you soon bye.

LORELAI: Mom what was that.

EMILY: Do we like this table or are we too close to that man with the IV. Honestly shouldn’t there be a separate dining area for sick people, doesn’t seem right.

LORELAI: Mother you’re getting dads will faxed here?

EMILY: Yes.

LORELAI: Why you need to read it right now.

EMILY: Well yes.

LORELAI: You want to make sure he life you the Mercedes and Jag?

EMILY: I don’t care what you think I’m being pragmatic.

LORELAI: You know what I’m not hungry any more.

[Lorelai gets up and leaves]

elduccia · 01-31-2007, 02:21 PM

Thanks Cappuccino and Craig the video looks good.

Although thinkin' of Emily in Forgiveness and Stuff completely overwelmed by Richard being sick and not even considering for a second to go through Richard's will, and seeing her now being so pragmatic and cold... I don't know.
It felt weird. But on the other hand, it could be her being completely freaked out and in denial and using the whole errands thing to keep her mind off of horrible things.

lancer1993 · 01-31-2007, 02:21 PM

I like the banter between them and then Emily being herself needs to check the will, but it does make sense to check the DNR (do not resuscitate) but I can also understand Lorelai leaving.

So does Luke go get the papers for Emily?

blaab · 01-31-2007, 02:21 PM

Caf, what you posted really made me wonder about this: From what scenes or whatever shown on this show did you ever see Lorelai despise Chris/look down on him or whatever that would now make her actually having genuine feelings for him seem so wrong that it's like she is selling out her heart and her morals?

I know ( I think we all do

) you personally feel strongly about the lack of parenting provided by Chris to Rory. I get that. But since you seem to expect some sort of response or lack of response emotionwise from Lorelai (because she seems to be the one that you feel 'How low can she go'-about when it comes to Chris), I would think that would actually mean Lorelai felt so low about him before. And the thing is I have never seen that from Lorelai, so I don't feel weirded out by her actually having sincere feelings for him. It does make me wonder what you saw that made you feel Lorelai is selling herself out opposed to a situation in earlier seasons.

I do understand that someone can feel strongly about some parent-role or lack of it. What I don't get is that expectations get placed onto a character (Lorelai in this matter) who never seem to have showed these personal feelings I am sensing you seem to have (correct me if I am wrong!). I guess that is why I have a hard time understanding this, because I feel two worlds get mixed up. And well that leaves me confused. That is fine, just saying ... happens all the time.

I am not saying you do it differently, because I can not know. So to make this about me

This is how I try to view this show. Firstly: of course I also view this show from my POV, because well, that is the only perception I have, mine. But my POV is that I need to try as hard as I can to get THE CHARACTERS POV ... because it is THEIR story. What is their motivation, how do they feel about things, how do they react to certain situations etc. etc. And when I try to view this show and these characters in this way I simply cannot come to another conclusion than Lorelai always having positive feelings about Chris, no matter what his role in Rory's life was ... this of course could still change, sure ...

So for me that is the Gilmore Girls world. Their world, their story. The other world would be, I spoke before about two worlds, is how I personally feel about some matters. And they do not always coincide with how these characters feel or do things. And of course I feel emotional responses when I watch the show and some of these things are addressed in some way ... but those responses to me belong to that other world, not the GG one, because that ain't about the characters, but about how I would do and see things.

Thanks for letting me know Cappu about the DC and Damsel, I was wondering the same thing, but I do think she was leaving a message ...

ETA about that DC. The only thing I was thinking was Oh o Emily is gonna fall apart pretty damn hard at some point ...

Tara Ashley · 01-31-2007, 02:28 PM

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Finally, Tara, do you really think that Lorelai totally loses her love for Chris after they divorce? There is always residue. It's not like it will change anything. However, a stand-up guy, accepts the woman as she is. He does not need her to change the past. He accepts as is because unconditional love works that way. So, in a sense, Luke will just deal with Chris' existance. He will deal because he loves Lorelai. In the end...that's all that matters.

I understand what you're saying. I know there will be residue and that Luke will have to deal with it; I was just saying that it'll be easier for him to deal with it than Christopher because I believe Lorelai loves Luke in a much deeper sense, and this will come across. But I agree with your point -- that Luke is a bigger person and will be able to forgive Lorelai, put the marraige behind him, and take a leap of faith with their new relationship. I definitely get this.

I apologize if I come off as rude in any of my posts today. I randomly developed a painful cold overnight and it's killing me.

elduccia · 01-31-2007, 02:32 PM

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ETA about that DC. The only thing I was thinking was Oh Emily is gonna fall apart pretty damn hard at some point ...

I concurr.
At fist I fell odd watching Emily being so cool and calm.

Rory was so concerned and so was Lorelai. But Emily being practical with Richard's will is so the opposite of what she did in F&S that it sounds like this time she's even more scared than in season 1 and wants to keep her mind off of the thought of Richard's death.

blaab · 01-31-2007, 02:41 PM

Okee, I get what you are saying Ckomodo, well some parts

. I am just not thinking she is only pleasing him or her parents and the kids. And I do feel I saw her genuinely happy ... maybe we will get more on this in the upcoming eps. Maybe Lorelai will speak about how this has been for her to some other people. Oh and I do not judge her relationship with Luke by how it ended. I was merely stating how I thought Lorelai experienced that relationship in the end and well even though she loved him a lot, it also made her unhappy. And I also posted that because I feel sometimes that some people are so amazed that she would try with Chris and move on. I get that she moved on, I wished she would have waited a little longer, definitely. But I get her trying to move on after she got hurt ... and she felt good with Chris (sure, I still feel that in the beginning this was also in her quest to not having to deal, but I do feel this changed along the way). I do still feel L/L have massive potential ... yep. And definitely don't hate Chris, but I will be jumping up and down the couch IF, and I feel the last ep is actually for me a step forward on this matter (Lorelai) they will show L/L dealing with some stuff and getting back together without being held back by Issues ...

Elduccia, yeah exactly. I feel the same, Emily is even more scared now and she did also deal with some practical matters in F&S (didn't she, I seem to remember she did), not as much as now in the DC. But to me it also came across as her trying even harder to only use her rationale, because once she taps into her emotions, she is a goner ...

gjoni · 01-31-2007, 02:41 PM

Thanks for all things DC related, damselfly, Capp and Lancer.

It seems Emily arrived after both Lorelai and Rory got to the hospital, since they introduce her to the doctor, and she introduces herself.

Also, her initial expression, you can see she's absolutely shocked, utterly devastated. I guess after she goes in to see Richard, she shuts her emotions off and becomes robotic and pragmatic. I expect her to break down sometime later, when the weight and horror of this situation surface and overtake her. I hope they show it.

I also wonder if Rory and Lorelai reminisce about Richard. The last time he talked with Rory and what he told her he thought of her, in 7.12, was something very meaningful, which can have a great lasting impact, especially if she thinks they'll never get a chance to talk again. It almost seemed like his farewell words to her, to have faith in herself, we know he isn't going to die, but they initially don't.

For Lorelai, there are still many unspoken, untouched issues between her and her father. The regret of missed opportunities can be difficult to deal with, and might be her take on all this.

peachypeep · 01-31-2007, 02:49 PM

I don't think it's realistic or true to the show to suggest that Lorelai loves Chris and Luke exactly the same and could go "either way." She blew it with Luke, in part because she did not believe that he really loved and trusted her. She knows that Luke is "over" her. That part of her life is a done deal - no looking back.

And here is Chris - a changed man! The go-to guy. Rory's father. The man that her parents always wanted her to marry. And he wants her so badly. She knows that they rushed into this marriage, but I see someone working very hard to make it work. Working too hard. I believe Lorelai cares deeply for Chris, her childhood playmate and Rory's father, and maybe she even does love him, but not like she loved Luke. And what is so clear in her letter is how much she respects Luke. It's not even possible to imagine her saying the things about Luke that she has said about Chris (weak, never not stupid, dopey), and. sadly for Chris, the reverse is true, too.

But she is clearly willing to settle with Chris and be a good partner to him. But it looks to me like Chris is going to end up being the same irresponsible guy he has always been - who disappears on their family for 2-3 days?? - and that it's not going to work between them because she doesn't want to "cut up his meat" for him.

pimbolina · 01-31-2007, 02:50 PM

Gotta love the new DC, finally something with Emily.
I just hope we see Emily breaking down towards the end of the ep, maybe even the first Emily/Lorelai hug.
As was already said by some, I think Emily just tries to close up her mind, trying to not show any emotions because if she does, she's going to fall apart. So she tries to be pragmatic and closing herself off.

Tara Ashley · 01-31-2007, 02:50 PM

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Also, her initial expression, you can see she's absolutely shocked, utterly devastated. I guess after she goes in to see Richard, she shuts her emotions off and becomes robotic and pragmatic. I expect her to break down sometime later, when the weight and horror of this situation surface and overtake her. I hope they show it.

I'll be entirely dissappointed if they don't show it. This is why I've been looking forward to this episode -- for the drama and the family dynamics. I would LOVE a touching scene with Emily and Lorelai, with Emily breaking down or vice versa. Yikes I hope DR does this episode justice! I'm starting to get worried!