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Old 01-31-2007, 10:34 AM
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I have no idea. I think - but I might be wrong - that he didn't apply to colleges because Lorelai was pregnant and he was considering marrying her.
Then he lost momentum for college, Lorelai had refused to marry him so he bought a bike and left his parents house and, I don't know, spent years travelling around?
You could be right. Well, fun for him, huh?
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Old 01-31-2007, 10:36 AM
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Episode 7.12 - To Whom It May Concern
These are larger files with higher quality and longer download times

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GG 7-12 Part 1
GG 7-12 Part 2
GG 7-12 Part 3
GG 7-12 Part 4
Thanks blaab! I haven't seen the episode yet and am out of town, so cool deal!
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Old 01-31-2007, 10:43 AM
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I have no idea. I think - but I might be wrong - that he didn't apply to colleges because Lorelai was pregnant and he was considering marrying her.
Then he lost momentum for college, Lorelai had refused to marry him so he bought a bike and left his parents house and, I don't know, spent years travelling around?
Well she had Rory with 16 and Chris and Lorelai are the same age. Rory started applying for colleges in season 3 where she was 17/18. Rory was a year old when he should have applied for a college. So no her pregnancy had nothing to do with him not going to college. In 3.13 we learn that he didn't want to go to college because he knew he wouldn't make it (was it in that episode -can't remember).
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Old 01-31-2007, 10:49 AM
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Well she had Rory with 16 and Chris and Lorelai are the same age. Rory started applying for colleges in season 3 where she was 17/18. Rory was a year old when he should have applied for a college. So no her pregnancy had nothing to do with him not going to college. In 3.13 we learn that he didn't want to go to college because he knew he wouldn't make it (was it in that episode -can't remember).

Yes, it is in 3.13 he says it to (young) Lorelai. When they're talking about going to Europe. So it wasen't Lorelais fault as Straub "wanted it to be", in 1.15. I guess Christopher already knew that he wouldn't get in to Princeton, even before they knew that Lorelai was pregnant.
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I have no idea. I think - but I might be wrong - that he didn't apply to colleges because Lorelai was pregnant and he was considering marrying her.
Then he lost momentum for college, Lorelai had refused to marry him so he bought a bike and left his parents house and, I don't know, ...
It's one of those continuity holes. College applications were still two years in the future, at least, when Lorelai got pregnant.

And after her pregnancy, it seems that Christopher went on to boarding schools, judging from the tales of being thrown out of them he shared with Logan. This had to be after Rory was conceived/born, because the DEAR flashbacks show Lorelai and Christopher both at private day schools.

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Old 01-31-2007, 10:56 AM
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Old 01-31-2007, 10:56 AM
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he was her second choice. Worse things have happened. And in all honesty, the whole thing makes me wonder how many married couples -- just like CL -- are out there and have lasted. That's not to say that I think Lorelai's in love with Christopher or is meant to be with him by ANY means, I just think there are a lot of people out there who have settled for their second choice, and their partner knows it, but denial wins out and whatever kind of love they have is what they make do with. So I can't hate Christopher for trying to push away negative thoughts, especially when Lorelai has given him little reason to think she doesn't want to be married to him. I'll always think he made a trashy move in Partings, but his interest in this marraige is genuine. And under the same idea, I can't hate Lorelai for wanting to be married to Christopher, even though she knows she's still in love with Luke. Sometimes in life, you feel like you have no choice but to settle.
Ya know, I think HE thinks he's her 2nd choice, I think to her, he's not. I think for Lorelai she has 2 equally valid choices, and loves them both, each feed a different part of her. But I don't see how you can look at how she reacted to his overreaction, and how she was looking for him the next morning and clearly hoping it would be him on the phone, not Luke, and see it any other way. She loves 2 men. She'll only live her life with one, and will be happy with him. But the reality is she could be happy with either man. There is no 2nd choice, 2nd best, exept in the minds of Chris & Luke. Each have brought that very thing up, both are wrong.

In this episode, particularly in the fight and her morning after reactions, I see Lorelai wanting the marriage to work. I never thought she ruled out having a kid, which was reinforced by what she said to Sookie. I'm not sure I'm seeing her doing the work I've talked about, but I'm not sure there's a chance for that, but I see an attitude that says she wants the marriage to work, which I saw in ILP & SSS as well.

They have to get rid of Chris. I realize things will change with him not showing up in the next episode, but as of right now, Chris is just as valid a choice, in Lorelai's mind & heart, as Luke ever was. Oh, and while Chris is unable to live with the idea that another man can be right for Lorelai, Luke will come to grips with it. Which is why he'll end up with her, and forgive her.
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Old 01-31-2007, 10:59 AM
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The extended Promo is up on the CW.

7.13 extended Promo avi version you send it and the You tube version
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Blaab, I also loved this episode. I loved the writing.

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She loves 2 men. She'll only live her life with one, and will be happy with him. But the reality is she could be happy with either man. There is no 2nd choice, 2nd best, exept in the minds of Chris & Luke. Each have brought that very thing up, both are wrong.
ITA, lemon. Also, we've seen this throughout the whole series. The only mistake I've seen with this sl is that it should have taken place in S3, before L/L got together.

I also agree with those who've posted that the letter isn't a love letter. However, I do disagree that it was only a friendly letter. To me it showed a deep, unconditional love for Luke, that exists no matter what relationship the other is in. It reminds of the scene in "Run Away Little Boy" where she tells Luke she wants him to be one of those people who is in her life forever. I could be wrong, but I have never gotten that from her wrt Chris. She loves him, will always love him, but he doesn't have to be in her life forever. I think it was Tara who pointed out in the L/L thread that if the positions were reversed, Lorelai could not write such a letter about Chris. She can't have those feelings for Chris, because he isn't the dependable father type, as Luke is.

However, she thought Chris had changed, and that he could become such a man, and she has committed to the marriage and given him that chance. However, unfortunately for Chris, he's not getting it. He could become that man, and with time those types of feelings she had for Luke would be transferred to Chris. But Chris can't wait and wants it now, which is consistant with the whole relationship, him trying to push things along too fast.

Actually, I think this is very realistic. There is more than one person you can be happy with in the world, and a lot of it has to do with timing. For all we know, Luke would be happily married to Rachel with kids, if she hadn't left for her career. If Sherry hadn't gotten pregnant, maybe Chris would have gotten a clue and that marriage might have worked out. Timing has a lot to do with it, imo.
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Yep, Lemon, that was all I was thinking when watching those C/L scenes and I must admit that it was the first time I felt this so strongly: She really, really wants this to work. And to me came across very sincere during her talk to Christopher after he had read the letter. And I felt she made total sense (just like when she said she didn't want a kid now/or right away) when explaining why she wrote that letter, sure she shouldn't have hid it ... And the way Chris is dealing with this reminds me so much of the way Luke dealt with Chris before. And well what DR said about this:

"You know what they say: you manifest in your life what you most fear."


ETA Thanks for those links Cappu!

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Ya know, I think HE thinks he's her 2nd choice, I think to her, he's not. I think for Lorelai she has 2 equally valid choices, and loves them both, each feed a different part of her. But I don't see how you can look at how she reacted to his overreaction, and how she was looking for him the next morning and clearly hoping it would be him on the phone, not Luke, and see it any other way. She loves 2 men. She'll only live her life with one, and will be happy with him. But the reality is she could be happy with either man. There is no 2nd choice, 2nd best, exept in the minds of Chris & Luke. Each have brought that very thing up, both are wrong.

In this episode, particularly in the fight and her morning after reactions, I see Lorelai wanting the marriage to work. I never thought she ruled out having a kid, which was reinforced by what she said to Sookie. I'm not sure I'm seeing her doing the work I've talked about, but I'm not sure there's a chance for that, but I see an attitude that says she wants the marriage to work, which I saw in ILP & SSS as well.

They have to get rid of Chris. I realize things will change with him not showing up in the next episode, but as of right now, Chris is just as valid a choice, in Lorelai's mind & heart, as Luke ever was. Oh, and while Chris is unable to live with the idea that another man can be right for Lorelai, Luke will come to grips with it. Which is why he'll end up with her, and forgive her.
The bolded part and the rest of your post? I couldn't have said it in a better way.
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ITA, lemon. Also, we've seen this throughout the whole series. The only mistake I've seen with this sl is that it should have taken place in S3, before L/L got together.

I also agree with those who've posted that the letter isn't a love letter. However, I do disagree that it was only a friendly letter. To me it showed a deep, unconditional love for Luke, that exists no matter what relationship the other is in. It reminds of the scene in "Run Away Little Boy" where she tells Luke she wants him to be one of those people who is in her life forever. I could be wrong, but I have never gotten that from her wrt Chris. She loves him, will always love him, but he doesn't have to be in her life forever. I think it was Tara who pointed out in the L/L thread that if the positions were reversed, Lorelai could not write such a letter about Chris. She can't have those feelings for Chris, because he isn't the dependable father type, as Luke is.
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However, she thought Chris had changed, and that he could become such a man, and she has committed to the marriage and given him that chance. However, unfortunately for Chris, he's not getting it. He could become that man, and with time those types of feelings she had for Luke would be transferred to Chris. But Chris can't wait and wants it now, which is consistant with the whole relationship, him trying to push things along too fast.


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Actually, I think this is very realistic. There is more than one person you can be happy with in the world, and a lot of it has to do with timing. For all we know, Luke would be happily married to Rachel with kids, if she hadn't left for her career. If Sherry hadn't gotten pregnant, maybe Chris would have gotten a clue and that marriage might have worked out. Timing has a lot to do with it, imo.


Guys, there was some great writing in last nite GG episode.

But I must tell ya there's some great writing here too!
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Blaab, I also loved this episode. I loved the writing.



ITA, lemon. Also, we've seen this throughout the whole series. The only mistake I've seen with this sl is that it should have taken place in S3, before L/L got together.

I also agree with those who've posted that the letter isn't a love letter. However, I do disagree that it was only a friendly letter. To me it showed a deep, unconditional love for Luke, that exists no matter what relationship the other is in. It reminds of the scene in "Run Away Little Boy" where she tells Luke she wants him to be one of those people who is in her life forever. I could be wrong, but I have never gotten that from her wrt Chris. She loves him, will always love him, but he doesn't have to be in her life forever. I think it was Tara who pointed out in the L/L thread that if the positions were reversed, Lorelai could not write such a letter about Chris. She can't have those feelings for Chris, because he isn't the dependable father type, as Luke is.

However, she thought Chris had changed, and that he could become such a man, and she has committed to the marriage and given him that chance. However, unfortunately for Chris, he's not getting it. He could become that man, and with time those types of feelings she had for Luke would be transferred to Chris. But Chris can't wait and wants it now, which is consistant with the whole relationship, him trying to push things along too fast.

Actually, I think this is very realistic. There is more than one person you can be happy with in the world, and a lot of it has to do with timing. For all we know, Luke would be happily married to Rachel with kids, if she hadn't left for her career. If Sherry hadn't gotten pregnant, maybe Chris would have gotten a clue and that marriage might have worked out. Timing has a lot to do with it, imo.
I agree. Especially with the bolded parts. It was definitely more than just a freindly letter. I thought that the letter was great because it wasn't gushy and over the top. But it highlighted exactly what makes Luke so great.
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Okee, just watched the promo ...

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Do you know where dad is? & I am your wife, it seems that you should be here. It's not okee Chris, you know, it is not okee ...
Even though I would have loved to see some more about Emily and Rory in this promo ... I did like what I heard and saw.

It's weird though, how I sense my feelings of sympathy are changing for Lorelai and well that happened mostly because of this last ep and I guess the promo also helps. To see her really wanting this, even though she might have made some mistakes along the way too in this, does make me feel more for her. I am not solely thinking FALL ON YOUR FACE, FLAT ON IT, COME ON ... nope, I am starting to feel for her, because I do feel she is genuinely hurt by all this and really wants this to work and I dunno is less taking advantage of Chris as I might have felt before.
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Entertainment Weekly recap/review:
Heart Attacks | Gilmore Girls | TV Watch | TV | Entertainment Weekly

Oh, and also, like with Luke in TPDR, this was about Chris's insecurities, not who Lorelai does or does not love.
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Thanks for the extended promo, Cappuccino.

*will comment in around an hour because of stupid dial-up*

GREAT post about Lorelai loving both men, Lemon! Completely agree!
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