Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #145 ~ Can't We All Just Get Along? - Page 13

little_earthquake · 01-24-2007, 12:54 PM

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The spoiler was "Loreali indeed initiates the end of her marriage to Christopher."

She could INITIATE divorce proceedings---after Chris has already left.
She could have INITIATED "the end of her marriage" by writing the letter and not telling Chris about it--thus causing Chris to leave.

this is true. never thought about the spoiler in that way.

still I'll hold on to my theory

we'll know soon.

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Heee! But we've already agreed that just the words first isn't fully Lorelai. I'm prepping to sport a L/L icon for a week, and not have to watch any episodes, personally. I thinking we're both wrong.

we'll see. sure this episode made it clear Lorelai isnt fully happy nor in. the promo showed Chris isnt fully happy. and when it turns out to be mutual then sure I also will use one hell of a cute sophie ava. until then.. we'll wait.

blaab · 01-24-2007, 12:58 PM

sure, damselfly, that could def happen also. I am not saying Rory will only be pissy at lorelai ... but since I was more thinking about some things Lorelai have to deal with by herself I only mentioned that. Like I said, Chris apparantly knew, the second choice thing, but thought he could deal, but couldn't anyway (or that is what I am thinking right now) ... which makes them I believe in the matters of entering this marriage pretty equal. Both convinced themselves they could do this, but well ...

damselfly · 01-24-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon tart

Sorta. But maybe not. She'll be off with Logan during much of Lorelai's frantic calling of Chris. But the reason he's upset is because of something Lorelai did, which Rory warned her not to. She might think he has every reason to be upset.

As I said above, it makes more sense she'd be angry with both of them because of Gigi, if she is angry. I'm just not so sure she's going to have a Mini Me-Me reaction to this. I hope she doesn't anyway.

Leila · 01-24-2007, 01:04 PM

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Boy all the criticism (as usual) for Lorelai. The only person in the world not allowed to make a mistake. Chris can (twice, this is his second rush job family), Emily can, Rory can, Logan can, Luke....or yeah, Luke can't either, no wonder they always end up together, they're huddling in the diner trying to proterct themselves from the villagers with pitchforks.
Chris is a gown up, he's as much to blame for this marriage as Lorelai.
Emily is a grown up, if she knew her daughter she'd never think "weak" by her own evaluation, Christopher, is right for Lorelai.
Rory is a grown up, but for her I do have sympathy in this. Lorelai and Chris should have thought a lot more about her and Gigi before they jumped into marriage. But I also hope she does not side with Christopher, or either of them, but applies what she knows about her mom and dad and sees what happened and supports them both.
The worst thing Lorelai can be blamed for is wishful thinking and being impulsive. Everything I've seen this season points to her really wanting everything to work. But you can't live your life to please others exclusively. Do you really think Rory would want Lorelai to sacrifice herself just to give her a "happy family" every time she happens to drop into Star"s Hallow? I have kids that age, trust me, the last thing they want is you to be a myrter and load them up with guilt. At that age they want to be free and they want you to stop giving up what you want for them.

A great post as usual.

The other thing I don't get is why some people are angry at Lorelai for wanting to spend Christmas with her daugther. I know Lorelai has trouble letting go of her daughter like most parent, but I don't see this as being weird or overbearing. Christmas is a family holiday and as far as I know Lorelai is Rory's family more so than Logan for now anyway. I get that she had tickets for London and that she did not want to waste them. I would have done the same thing, but why is it horrible for Lorelai to be sad about that? Most family I know spend Christmas at their mothers surrounded by their brothers and sisters no matter what age they are. They can be fifty they still drive all the way to their mother's home to spend Christmas with her. If they have a husband or a serious boyfriend that they want to share that day with they simply bring him with them to celebrate with their family. It's a normal tradition that has nothing to do with Rory being a kid or an adult. Lorelai is her family and so it is normal for Lorelai to expect to spend the holidays with her daughter. I don't see why it is strange.

Captain Hawkeye · 01-24-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by peachypeep (View Post)

Umm, people have terrible fights and leave the house to "cool off" without leaving the relationship...

We know from the ep description for 7.13 that Lorelai has been unable to contact Chris since their fight the night before. Chris is not trying to contact Lorelai.

little_earthquake · 01-24-2007, 01:13 PM

the thing about the promo that makes me kinda mad at chris is that when he knew he was the second choice he also knew Lorelai would not be happy with him. When he would love her this much he would have been a friend from the beginning on and not forcing her into something he knew would not work out and hurt both of them. what proves my point: he doenst love her. he loves the idea to have her.

apparition · 01-24-2007, 01:14 PM

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Thank you. I've always felt that was ridiculous. Somewhere in between the dating and the elopement, this question should have surfaced in some form.

I also thought about it since I saw them in bed together, but when I saw the promo I have an explantion:

It´s the second choice remark. That implies that he knew that Luke has a place in Lorelais heart. And that´s why he was pushing so much. I think in some ways he wanted to proove himself that they were meant to be together. And therefore Lorelai would get over Luke eventually. But the letter is too obvious and it´s nothing you just can ignore. Luke was subconsciously always a part of their relationship. Chris wanted everything Lorelai wanted with him. Hence the diner guy remark and the "let´s make a baby" talk. He was jealous. Simple as that.

lancer1993 · 01-24-2007, 01:17 PM

Okay I have some pages to catch up on, I've been busy since 4 watching the ep and catching up on the thread, geez has it been 2 hours!

Any news on the ep 14 description yet?

...and the numbers for last night 3.65 million down some 0.7 million on ep 10!

Tara Ashley · 01-24-2007, 01:17 PM

I can't catch up with all the discussion, but the extended promo makes me grimace. I hate to see Lorelai so weak. Because I fell in love with that character for her inner strength that she never credits enough. That scene is like a giant reminder that this entire season, she has been nothing but weak and untrue to herself.

I forget who it was -- Blaab, I think -- who said that what struck her the most was how Christopher knew all along that she was still in love with Luke. I have to say I always thought that he was somewhat oblivious, but the promo does make me think otherwise. And it also makes me rethink Chris' role in the big mistake that is their marraige. It seems that the communication issue is not one-sided or Lorelai's problem only; it's a two-way thing. Neither is willing to dig into the "unspoken" and the hidden emotions.

ETA: Did anyone else notice that the tone of her voice when she says "I love you, I love you" is exactly the same as when, in the ultimatum, she says "I pick you, I pick you"...referring to the purple wallpaper vs Luke?

notoutforawalk · 01-24-2007, 01:19 PM

SOme people were saying they were having problems getting the promo to play on the CW site. Will this help? You will need a .flv player.

wej5541 · 01-24-2007, 01:24 PM

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...and the numbers for last night 3.65 million down some 0.7 million on ep 10!

I think a little show called American Idol is mostly responsible for that.

damselfly · 01-24-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Hawkeye (View Post)

We know from the ep description for 7.13 that Lorelai has been unable to contact Chris since their fight the night before. Chris is not trying to contact Lorelai.

I know you're trying to spin it to show Chris is the one who walks out of the marriage, but being gone overnight after a fight doesn't automatically mean he's ended it. Sure, there's more than one way to skin a spoiler, but the promo is not concrete evidence just yet.

tazzded · 01-24-2007, 01:34 PM

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SOme people were saying they were having problems getting the promo to play on the CW site. Will this help? You will need a .flv player.

Thank you!

lemon tart · 01-24-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by little_earthquake (View Post)

the thing about the promo that makes me kinda mad at chris is that when he knew he was the second choice he also knew Lorelai would not be happy with him. When he would love her this much he would have been a friend from the beginning on and not forcing her into something he knew would not work out and hurt both of them. what proves my point: he doenst love her. he loves the idea to have her.

I think maybe he thought in time she would get over it, or forget. He realizes that's not going to happen. The person I'm really heartbroken in this for is Gigi. She's got a happy family, and her dad didn't think about her and what this might do to her before he got into it, if his gamble didn't work out.

But I think realizing she's not going to get over it is part of why I think there's no way it's just Lorelai. He's being smacked up side the head with reality, and he can't delude himself anymore.

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The other thing I don't get is why some people are angry at Lorelai for wanting to spend Christmas with her daugther. I know Lorelai has trouble letting go of her daughter like most parent, but I don't see this as being weird or overbearing. Christmas is a family holiday and as far as I know Lorelai is Rory's family more so than Logan for now anyway. I get that she had tickets for London and that she did not want to waste them. I would have done the same thing, but why is it horrible for Lorelai to be sad about that? Most family I know spend Christmas at their mothers surrounded by their brothers and sisters no matter what age they are. They can be fifty they still drive all the way to their mother's home to spend Christmas with her. If they have a husband or a serious boyfriend that they want to share that day with they simply bring him with them to celebrate with their family. It's a normal tradition that has nothing to do with Rory being a kid or an adult. Lorelai is her family and so it is normal for Lorelai to expect to spend the holidays with her daughter. I don't see why it is strange.

Lorelai is clinging to Rory just like she's clinging to the marriage in the DC. She's desperately afraid of being alone. Rory is developing her own life. Lorelai's trying to hold her close to Lorelai. If they took this further Lorleai would undermine the entire premise of the show because she would be holding Rory back, trying to get her to remain her BFF, and couch buddy for the rest of her life. Rory's getting ready to truly spread her wings and fly. Which is part of the reason the show should end with Rory's graduation.

This all goes back to the rift. And Lorelai turning her back on herself when she turned her back on Rory. She clung to Luke. Now she's clinging to Chris and to Rory. She's scared to death of being alone. To the point of patheticness almost. I'm beginning to feel sorry for her.

colorblind · 01-24-2007, 01:40 PM

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I know you're trying to spin it to show Chris is the one who walks out of the marriage, but being gone overnight after a fight doesn't automatically mean he's ended it. Sure, there's more than one way to skin a spoiler, but the promo is not concrete evidence just yet.

ITA. i never thought that chris will end this marriage. and spoilers just confirmed that. he loves lorelai to much to walk away. he finally got her.