Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #144 ~ GG - Welcome To The Dark Side - Page 3

Shanti70 · 01-22-2007, 06:29 PM

Bringing this over from the other thread:

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I think that if Logan does plan to propose, it'll be undermined by Rory's new interest in the TA and he will not do so. Or, if Logan does, she will hesitate and it will ruin it. That's how I think this is going to be goofed up, because I don't think they are going to let this relationship get anymore serious. In fact, they appear to be "subtlely" pulling them apart.

If it's the end of the series this year, they will remain just friends and that'll be the end of that. If the show comes back next year, well, who knows. Maybe they'll see fit to spend some time on this couple. But, right now, I don't see the interest or commitment on the part of the showrunner or writing team. They can't chew gum and walk at the same time.

I tend to agree with Sandlynn on this. If the series lasts into the next season then maybe Rory and Logan might have a happy ending, but if it ends this season they, IMO, most likely will part as friends.

I just had a thought. Did MC say anything about coming back next year. I do recall that at the Winter Press Tour party he said something optimistic about the show's return. Was he including himself in that optimism?

GGMinn · 01-22-2007, 06:42 PM

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Bringing this over from the other thread:

I just had a thought. Did MC say anything about coming back next year. I do recall that at the Winter Press Tour party he said something optimistic about the show's return. Was he including himself in that optimism?

The show has to come back before we start talking about MC coming back.

damselfly · 01-22-2007, 07:04 PM

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That aside, damsel, I still read a whole lot of YOU in your response about Chris. It's not about you or me, or how we feel about people like Christopher. I had one dad that I loved and fought with. While I had another dad that I barely knew, and who barely knew me. So, I get having issues with DADs such as Chris, but Rory deals with her dad. She deals with it. She forgives him or has accepted his place in her life. That you and your other friends would give Rory crap for being pissed at Lorelai for not having Rory at their wedding. Shows, to me, that you have problems with a character, that in no way has ever been reflected by the creator, the writers, the current writers, the current SHO-RUNNA, and the characters on this show. I could give a **** about Chris not being there. I think he sucks for missing his SPECIAL AWESOME DAUGHTER growing up. See the difference? It's not about you or me, but it's about the story. A story, in which, Rory loves her dad WORTS and ALL. So you do not like him as a person. What does that have to do with anything?

I see the difference, and I think it's in the way we watch the show. I don't want to get inside Rory's head and make judgements based on what she thinks, I like to analyze it in my own way. It's not so much about me as "what else is there?" You're saying "Rory's forgives her dad. OK", I'm saying "Rory forgives her dad, but...".

I'll argue a character's actions based on what I think they're thinking, but I don't buy into the obvious answer. For example Rory -- she seems to forgive her father over and over, but I'm not convinced she really is. One the surface it seems that way, but we know from past storylines she's had issues, and it's not likely those magically disappeared the day he blew into town with a wad of cash. So yes, it's about the story, but that story includes more than just Rory loving her dad, warts and all -- the groundwork for the other stuff is already there in the backstory, and I keep waiting for them to flesh it out.

It's the way I think. You can tell me the sky is blue, but I have to see and know it for myself. I was probably one of those annoying kids who said why, why, why? One of those who didn't believe the iron was hot unless I touched it myself. Going back to Rory, she seems to forgive her dad, but we know there's a painful history so there has to be more to it. Maybe I'm just more analytical. <shrug>

And with not liking Chris as a person, that was for your comment about hating Chris for the sake of hating him. Giving a reason why, although I don't really "hate" him. Plus I do care about Rory, so anything/anyone past or present, that affects her in a negative or positive way, figures in to how I see things, and that includes Chris.

I'm curious too -- what was your take on Rory being pissed at Lorelai for not including her in the wedding?

Labyrith · 01-22-2007, 07:16 PM

TOMORROW!!!!! yay!!!

MissMarie01 · 01-22-2007, 07:32 PM

I second that yay!!!

leonana · 01-22-2007, 07:34 PM

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That you and your other friends would give Rory crap for being pissed at Lorelai for not having Rory at their wedding.

I don't remember JJ's being upset with Rory for being angry, but they were upset with Chris for not including Rory, and somewhat with Lorelai. I myself was disappointed that Rory didn't stay angry any longer than she did.

As to what the showrunner thinks of Chris, didn't ASP say he was "Robert Downey, Jr."? Which I took to mean "charming, but weak." You might like to have him over for dinner, but you wouldn't want to marry him, or have him as a father.

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For example Rory -- she seems to forgive her father over and over, but I'm not convinced she really is. One the surface it seems that way, but we know from past storylines she's had issues, and it's not likely those magically disappeared the day he blew into town with a wad of cash. So yes, it's about the story, but that story includes more than just Rory loving her dad, warts and all -- the groundwork for the other stuff is already there in the backstory, and I keep waiting for them to flesh it out.

To me, it's the big white elephant sitting in the middle of the living room. It's just so unbelievable that Chris' neglect of Rory wouldn't have some effect on her life. And the fact that it rarely gets addressed, and Chris always gets a pass, makes me have even less sympathy for him (Disclaimer: I don't hate him). I think if the writers would address this, which would also flesh out Chris' character, there might be less viewers "hating" him.

caf123 · 01-22-2007, 08:01 PM

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I could give a **** about Chris not being there. I think he sucks for missing his SPECIAL AWESOME DAUGHTER growing up. See the difference? It's not about you or me, but it's about the story. A story, in which, Rory loves her dad WORTS and ALL. So you do not like him as a person. What does that have to do with anything?

It has to do with Rory's future peace of mind. Either Christopher changes - technically that could happen any time until the series ends. Otherwise, Mr. MeMe will keep neglecting her, abandoning her, and putting her second behind the 'romantic love of his life' whose life he screws up every time he turns up.

As ASP said about Christopher, "Every time Lorelai's life is going too well, we give Christopher a call."

And he's lived up to that. Do you really want Rory in the same boat? Spec: Will Rory find some closure to her feelings about this parent whom she still doesn't trust enough to talk to? Who's never put her first? Who after 22 years, still doesn't seem to really know her or care enough to get to know her? Or will she continue to care and hope and be let down by her father for years to come?

eta: Could we please throw away the "JJs do this" and "Sophies do that" and "JJs think this" and "Sophies think that" boxes. Oy with the generalizations already.

Sandlynn · 01-22-2007, 08:03 PM

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I tend to agree with Sandlynn on this. If the series lasts into the next season then maybe Rory and Logan might have a happy ending, but if it ends this season they, IMO, most likely will part as friends.

Which is incomprehensible considering what they've put this couple through and the love they've shown each other. I think they'll want to have them separate in spite of their feelings. But, that's the way I see it. Not as a good thing or a logical thing but as what they'll do to fit the stereotype of what an up and coming, professional woman would be. They see relationships as tying someone up or limiting them. So, Rory must not be in a relationship. Her relationship is her career; her family will be her colleagues; her children will be her work. Oddly enough, the young professional men are not held to this same stereotype. So, Logan could meet a new young woman and get married, but Rory cannot do similarly.

seslavie · 01-22-2007, 08:03 PM

Just bringing this over from the old thread.

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Adding my thanks

to Ciaobella, little_earthquake, Saranoh, Cappucino for having the courage, and caring enough, to continue to post spoilers. We all know there are other spoiler sources who don't.

May I say that I wholeheartedly concur with this sentiment!

Saranoh · 01-22-2007, 08:10 PM

Sandlynn, I honestly think R/L will be together in the end. I don't think they'll be engaged or married, but I DO think they'll be together and in love.

Sandlynn · 01-22-2007, 08:29 PM

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Sandlynn, I honestly think R/L will be together in the end. I don't think they'll be engaged or married, but I DO think they'll be together and in love.

Well, that makes one of us. I'm sorry that I keep playing this constant drumbeat but I truly see Rory's story as being told in opposition to Lorelai's. Lorelai will have a home life; Rory will have a career. (What really annoys is we won't see the career either.) It's all about the set up.

Saranoh · 01-22-2007, 08:32 PM

Where is the set-up for Rory only having a career?

gilmorebrazil · 01-22-2007, 08:42 PM

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Where is the set-up for Rory only having a career?

I think Rory developing feelings for another man in ep 7.14 could be a set up for a break up until 7.22. Except if Rory starts to date the TA or meets a new love interest before this season ends, she could end only having a career.

notoutforawalk · 01-22-2007, 08:51 PM

Grr. I don't want RL to break up. (Which means they probably will.) George? Help a sister out. Post your anvil list. I'll start:

Wayne pointed out the symmetry of the numbers. They hook up in 5.19. Chris and Lorelai discuss Rory getting married in 6.19. (I am going to take this, even though I was annoyed by every mention of Logan by Chris in that episode.)

Saranoh · 01-22-2007, 08:53 PM

I doubt the TA thing will be that big of a deal. It's just a crush.