Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #143 ~ We Don't Deserve Spoilers - Page 4

Ciaobella · 01-21-2007, 07:37 PM

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Ask the person with the "great sense of humor".

Wow, I seem to be the subject of all of your posts. Obsess much?

seslavie · 01-21-2007, 07:39 PM

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I always thought Lorelai's "tease" with Max was her reaction to seeing Luke in the inn's room with Nicole. She wasn't dating anyone; seeing Max earlier at the booster club meetings being so aloof with her, and then seeing Luke and Nicole all cozy in the room got to her. So she needed some kind of validation that she was desirable. Stupid and immature, yes. But that's Lorelai.

I agree. It wasn't one of her more shining moments.

ETA.

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While I don't think it was necessary for CL to get married, I definitely think it was necessary for them to form some sort of romantic relationship, and then crash and burn. Otherwise, the idea of CL would always be lingering --if not in Lorelai's mind, in Luke's. It needed to be nipped in the bud. She needs to close that chapter, once and for all. I'm hoping that it will not only help LL in the long run, but the relationship between Christopher and Rory.

I have to say that I agree with this. The prospect of CL had to be put to rest for once and all.

seslavie · 01-21-2007, 07:47 PM

Oops, sorry for the double post. I'm out of practice!

landlfan01 · 01-21-2007, 07:57 PM

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Wow, I seem to be the subject of all of your posts. Obsess much?

GGMinn · 01-21-2007, 08:06 PM

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Please, do me a favor and stop replying to posts with just emoticons. It's ****ing annoying. Once is fine, twice is okay, the 58th time is just....

damselfly · 01-21-2007, 08:06 PM

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While I don't think it was necessary for CL to get married, I definitely think it was necessary for them to form some sort of romantic relationship, and then crash and burn. Otherwise, the idea of CL would always be lingering --if not in Lorelai's mind, in Luke's. It needed to be nipped in the bud. She needs to close that chapter, once and for all. I'm hoping that it will not only help LL in the long run, but the relationship between Christopher and Rory.

I'm one of those who believes it was over and done with after WBB. But, if they felt it needed some kind of closure, it could've been done in a less dramatic and hurtful way. Chris showing interest in Lorelai once she was single again, fine, but Lorelai didn't need to reinvent herself in order to figure out Chris wasn't the forever guy.

It's all too soapy for me, plus they've made a mockery of marriage, and haven't so far considered the collateral damage of Gigi losing another 'mother'. Unless she's the type of kid who doesn't form attachments, because her own mother left her, her grandmother's a frosty bird, and there's been a revolving door for the nannies.

This show used to be FUN.

Sandlynn · 01-21-2007, 08:06 PM

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Wow, I seem to be the subject of all of your posts. Obsess much?

I'm obsessed with you? That's rich.

jillianries · 01-21-2007, 08:08 PM

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Tara Ashley[/b];13625125]I've probably made no sense- but as seslavie said, Lorelai is "in love" with Luke, while she only "loves" Christopher. That's the best explanation I can come up with. Maybe some things, like love, are just indescribable?

While I don't think it was necessary for CL to get married, I definitely think it was necessary for them to form some sort of romantic relationship, and then crash and burn. Otherwise, the idea of CL would always be lingering --if not in Lorelai's mind, in Luke's. It needed to be nipped in the bud. She needs to close that chapter, once and for all. I'm hoping that it will not only help LL in the long run, but the relationship between Christopher and Rory.

While I want to preface this in saying I recognize the Lorelai character is coming out of two brains now (ASP & DR) I would like to conjecture that the reason Lorelai has given a pass to Christopher all these years in the way he treated Rory (and it is deplorable, he has been shown to be more concerned with his own pain than hers, as her mother has , Rory should have lots to tell her therapist) is due to her not expecting anything more from him. However, with Luke I believe that she did expect a great deal from him because he was always her rock. When he got the shakes and pulled a stupid thing like hiding April, I think it was more than just him screwing up, I think it shook her foundations and that is why she has been more in a fog. I think she started questioning everything, and maybe what she thought was true in the choices she made really wasn't. So does she love Christopher? I believe she does in her way. Is it the great love of her life? I don't see it, even when they were in Paris, she still held back. Does she think Luke doesn't love her, oh yea. Watch the DC and the reaction to the handshake. So what she is moving to is what does she do now? Keep Christopher and herself in pain, or end it, no Luke consideration.
On the question of is Lorelai selfish, as much as any of us and perhaps not as much as some of us. But pain is very troubling and deamons come in all forms. I am not sure that the marriage had to take place, it is just that I have seen it happen many times and it did not suprise me.

What I would be concerned with is Rory making the same mistake her mother is making because of the relationship she has had with her father. She was angry at Logan and wrote a scathing article about people like him (and her) instead of dealing with him directly. In many ways I see Logan being good for Rory, but I hope he does not become her reason for exsiting as marriage had become for her mom. So it is also my hope that Lorelai has some alone time and begins to like herself again, this however would not come at a small price for Christopher and herself, because I do not see Christopher as being anymore selfaware as the lot of them. But I hope he will come to see that what he wanted was never what Lorelai wanted, even at sixteen.

I do appreciate the spoilers and I wasn't reading at the time, but were there more Rory spoilers when she was dating Dean and just starting to see Logan? If so perhaps it could be construde that no news is actually good news for a bit?

landlfan01 · 01-21-2007, 08:12 PM

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Please, do me a favor and stop replying to posts with just emoticons. It's ****ing annoying. Once is fine, twice is okay, the 58th time is just....

aww, you take the fun out of posting. A little emotion now & then is ok. Typed words sometimes can't convey everything.

landlfan01 · 01-21-2007, 08:17 PM

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I'm one of those who believes it was over and done with after WBB. But, if they felt it needed some kind of closure, it could've been done in a less dramatic and hurtful way. Chris showing interest in Lorelai once she was single again, fine, but Lorelai didn't need to reinvent herself in order to figure out Chris wasn't the forever guy.

It's all too soapy for me, plus they've made a mockery of marriage, and haven't so far considered the collateral damage of Gigi losing another 'mother'. Unless she's the type of kid who doesn't form attachments, because her own mother left her, her grandmother's a frosty bird, and there's been a revolving door for the nannies.

This show used to be FUN.

I agree, plus I saw the DC for Tuesday's episode, Luke can't seem not to be totally awed by her. When did that happen?

catkirk7 · 01-21-2007, 08:17 PM

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She was angry at Logan and wrote a scathing article about people like him (and her) instead of dealing with him directly.

She was absolutely not angry with Logan when she wrote the article. The emotions involved were the fact that she was upset with her mother for getting married without her. She was happy to see Logan. He was there for her. He knew right away that she was upset. I don't know where you get that he is her sole reason for living. I've never seen anything remotely close to that. Just because she missed him when he was across the ocean doesn't mean he defines her existence.

Tara Ashley · 01-21-2007, 08:19 PM

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It's all too soapy for me, plus they've made a mockery of marriage, and haven't so far considered the collateral damage of Gigi losing another 'mother'.

Definitely agree. The Gigi thing bugs me to no end. Poor girl is being dragged through the mess her father and her "auntie Lorelai" have gotten themselves into. And what of Rory and Gigi, as sisters? Will they bond? Wouldn't that make for an interesting or at least funny SL? I would think so...

The whole idea that a marraige is commenced and thrown away, all in less than half of a season, is troubling. And it's especially disappointing because GG is known for taking its time with SLs and relationships, carefully constructing arcs and allowing for great payoffs. Or was that purely ASP?

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I don't know where you get that he is her sole reason for living. I've never seen anything remotely close to that. Just because she missed him when he was across the ocean doesn't mean he defines her existence.

In jillianries defense, I believe she was saying she doesn't want Logan to ever become Rory's sole reason for living, not that he already has. Because he clearly hasn't.

lancer1993 · 01-21-2007, 08:27 PM

Great post jillianries and I agree about Luke v Chris, they both have track records. Chris is now there and Luke stuffed up last season, she expected more but how can she expect anything where he didn't know he stuffed up until it was too late?.

Yes she loves them both but I guess she doesn't love Chris enough, even when she thinks Luke doesn't love her any more so it's more than Luke as to the reason she ends it with Chris, we still have the wait and see the whole picture as to what that is.

Ciaobella · 01-21-2007, 08:33 PM

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I'm obsessed with you? That's rich.

Yes, and while it is flattering and I do appreciate all the attention from you and lemon and TheJSW etc, I'm sure everyone would much rather talk about the show. I know I would. So lets, ok?

Regarding the necessity of the relationship and/or marriage, I'm still not sure what to think. If this were a discussion way back in S5 and the beginning of S6, then I'd say, no way. I was convinced that Chris Door was shut tight in the aftermath of WBB. I mean, who would have thought after that stunt he pulled, that Lorelai would give him a second chance? And after Lorelai asked Luke to marry her (regardless of whether or not you thought it was just a reaction to Rory leaving her), I never doubted that Luke was the ONE for her.

So maybe this whole Chris thing was a result of that Perfect Storm that she referred to in 701. A combination of losing faith in herself and losing the love of her life, Luke. Chris was there at the right time and the right place. It had nothing to do with some unresolved closure between the two of them, it was all about Chris taking advantage of the perfect oppurtunity to re-enter Lorelai's life. No, he didn't put a gun to her head. But what decent, good friend wouldn't question whether or not she was really ready for another relationship so soon after breaking up with her fiance, and in such a messy and heartbreaking way too. I still say when she arrived at his door at the end of Partings, he knew just hours ago that she was still engaged to Luke. She was in a very pained and fragile state. And he wouldn't give up after that either. Not with the phone calls or that pathetic speech at the end of 703.

If anyone will reap what they sow, it will be Christopher.

I do agree that one good thing to come out of this will be he and Rory finally addressing their relationship.

landlfan01 · 01-21-2007, 08:34 PM

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Great post jillianries and I agree about Luke v Chris, they both have track records. Chris is now there and Luke stuffed up last season, she expected more but how can she expect anything where he didn't know he stuffed up until it was too late?.

Yes she loves them both but I guess she doesn't love Chris enough, even when she thinks Luke doesn't love her any more so it's more than Luke as to the reason she ends it with Chris, we still have the wait and see the whole picture as to what that is.

Your right, but what can they do in 9 episodes? I'm going from 7.13. Will she be as cold to Chris when she ends it as she was with Luke? Probably not, because of Rory, but who knows.