I don't know whether its a fact or not. I am just basing my own understanding of who she loves on her desperation last year. Why would she care so much if she never loved luke? I do think she loves chris...but not like she loves luke. She may have loved him in the past...and I think that she loves what she thought they could be and possibly their childhood friendship. But, to me thats different than the love necessary to sustain a lifelong committment. I am also mad that this show takes marriage so lightly.

Rory has absolutely made mistakes with her relationships. And I've been annoyed with her over it when she did. I've just seen her learn more than Lorelai. I'm not writing Lorelai off as a selfish brat (although I've come very close to it this season). I said somewhere in the last thread that I think her selfishness comes from her emotional stuntedness. None of this conversation began as a Lorelai is evil thing. I brought up Max as an example of Lorelai's confusion when it comes to Love. There is a reason some people take her declaration of love in the car as complete fact.

Because "business" doesn't interest me. Because I don't believe anybody should have that much money. Because what I like about Logan is his intelligence and his quick wit. I hated Colin, Finn, the whole LBD crowd.

Ok, I just read through probably half of the last thread and I thought I'd post here and say thank you for reminding me why I don't usually come here.

I don't think there's a doubt that she loves Luke. It's the constant use of that scene as absolute proof that Lorelai has never and will never love Chris that I can't understand. Lorelai is confused, to say the least, about love. I don't think a scene where she was obviously distraught should be the be all, end all of her feelings.

And, sure, her feelings for Chris aren't the same as those for Luke. I don't think anyone loves two different people in exactly the same way. But I don't think her love for Chris is romantic in nature and not buddy-buddy.

I think part of why Lorelai pursued the issue with Max is because she didn't want him to hate her, and that's typical Lorelai. She hates being on the outs with anyone, even Emily, as antagonistic as their relationship is.

how would you define it then? I think its nostalgic if anything. Kind of like how I have nostalgic feelings for one of my exes...its not buddy buddy but not romantic either. ITs that what you mean?

sorry to be a pain but I really am curious.

Actually, I had a soft spot for Colin and Finn. They were like the Madeline and Louise of seasons 5&6!

caf, thanks for the thread. ciao, I appreciate the spoilers you share with us and hope you will continue.

I have to say that I was nostalgic for the old days when I was catching up on the previous thread. There were some great debates and conversations going on. Some posts by shron 17, damselfy and Tara Ashley come to mind. Great posts guys!

I don't know whether its a fact or not. I am just basing my own understanding of who she loves on her desperation last year. Why would she care so much if she never loved luke? I do think she loves chris...but not like she loves luke. She may have loved him in the past...and I think that she loves what she thought they could be and possibly their childhood friendship. But, to me thats different than the love necessary to sustain a lifelong committment. I am also mad that this show takes marriage so lightly.

LOL wouldn't that be cool if Madeline and Louise married colin and Finn LOLOL

And you guys have absolutely nothing to do with it at all

Sorry lemon tart, but I won't LIGHTEN UP about that post. Jason wasn't just referencing a "serial rapist". The guy was arrested for kidnapping and sexually abusing young boys, a pediophile. Show me a post where "we" compared Christopher to anything that vile.

I believe icy Tiger once compared Chris to the Holocaust. (To be fair, I could be wrong, but I think it was her and the comparison was vile)

Ciaobella has actually contributed spoilers to this thread, along with enthusiasm and a great sense of humor. If I were her, I'd never give you guys any spoiler information ever again. I suspect she's nicer than I am.

I used to post in the sophie thread last season, but I don't care for the attitude anymore. My least favorite thing about Logan is that he is a billionaire.

The only attitude on that topic that I've noticed on the RL thread (and it coincides with my own) is that the money doesn't matter. No judgement either way based on his financial assets because they don't define him.

I agree. I think I mentioned that earlier? But that's still pretty selfish. His hatred is something she's going to have to deal with. She messed up in ending the relationship the way she did, and he has the right to hate her for it (even though he didn't). And no one called her out on that like Dean did Rory in S3 when she climbed the tree to his window (I think that scene was the most respect I've ever had for Dean).

I guess I don't really know how to define it, just like I wouldn't know how to define her love for Luke. I'm not sure I have the words I'm looking for but I'll try. I think it's a romantic love. It may be based a little in nostalgia, but I think it also goes back to an understanding of her history that can't be compared to anyone else's understanding of it (which I see as slightly different than nostalgia, but you may think I'm crazy.) This was shown when Emily was arrested, and she mentioned he was the only one who could understand the humor she found in it. Just like she's the only one who would understand the drinking game they played when Straub died. I don't see that as nostalgia, but as an understanding of who they are as people that other people don't have. I think it's telling that it was him laughing with her at Emily that preceded her inviting him into the house and taking their relationship to the next level
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The reason I have a problem with the Chris storyline has nothing to do with Chris himself but the fact that I really want Lorelai to be alone for a while. Figure herself out. Take a step back and look at what went wrong in her relationship with Luke, and even all her previous relationships. I'm still going to want that when she breaks up with Chris. And it's not about learning how to be in a relationship, it's about learning who she is alone. Something I'm not sure she knows outside of her status as Rory's mom.

This was shown when Emily was arrested, and she mentioned he was the only one who could understand the humor she found in it. Just like she's the only one who would understand the drinking game they played when Straub died. I don't see that as nostalgia, but as an understanding of who they are as people that other people don't have. I think it's telling that it was him laughing with her at Emily that preceded her inviting him into the house and taking their relationship to the next level.

I agree with you there. They could've skipped the whole Chris/marriage step. She could've broken up with Luke and spent the first half of this season alone, re-evaluating, figuring out what when wrong and why, and then had her move forward from here. This experiment with Chris wasn't needed in order for her to hit rock bottom -- they could've accomplished that by just breaking off the engagement to Luke.

Ok, I just read through probably half of the last thread and I thought I'd post here and say thank you for reminding me why I don't usually come here.

Seriously, what's up with this war between JJ's and Sophie's? It's completely ridiculous seeing as the pairings are in no way competing against each other. So why all this hate? Why is it that everybody just seem to pounce on each other in every single post? What on earth happened? Back before this thread became depressing and vicious, people used to get along. Now it's a complete blood bath.

I honestly have no words to describe how this as a GG fan makes me feel. Not in any other fandom of mine have I seen such viciousness amongst fans. It's things like this that almost makes me feel ashamed of calling myself a GG fan.