Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #136 ~ Someone Call Rory and Ask How She's Doing - Page 5

TheJSW · 01-11-2007, 10:12 AM

You know what; who gives a crap if it's Rory's place or not? I surely do not. If you start some shenanigans. You should be prepared to deal with the ramifications of those shenanigans. Rory should be honest. If Lucy cannot handle the honesty. She can go put on another dress that does not flatter her figure, and go back to feeling bad for herself. Rory has to give Lucy the brass tacts. If their friendship is something real. If it's something that could last. Lucy and Rory should be able to deal with some HONESTY.

Sandlynn · 01-11-2007, 10:16 AM

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I don’t think it’s Rory’s place to tell her exactly what happened, Marty should. She shouldn’t be responsible for breaking up the relationship by revealing what Marty was hiding, Mary should take responsibility for that. After explaining to Lucy in her letter why she didn’t say anything, she should then tell her to talk to Marty about it. Place the ball back in Marty’s hands where it belongs.

To be honest with ya, I don't think Rory can trust Marty. I agree that it's Marty's feelings and reasons that need explaining and that Rory shouldn't do that for him, especially because she doesn't *really* know what's going on in his head. However, he has not proven himself to be honest or straightforward about it and, if I were Rory, I'd be on pins and needles wondering what he was saying to Lucy, and whether he was creating even more problems for Rory down the road.

lilmelodie · 01-11-2007, 10:18 AM

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At this point, to earn Lucy's friendship again, Rory owns her the whole true. She can't think about protecting Marty. Even unintentionally, Rory was already doing that when she allowed him to involve her in his deception. Marty had something to hide, Rory didn't. To fix her friendship with Lucy she needs to show loyalty, no matter what. It's Marty job to proof Lucy that he really loves her and to try to conquer her again, not Rory's.

I agree.

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You know what; who gives a crap if it's Rory's place or not? I surely do not. If you start some shenanigans. You should be prepared to deal with the ramifications of those shenanigans. Rory should be honest. If Lucy cannot handle the honesty. She can go put on another dress that does not flatter her figure, and go back to feeling bad for herself. Rory has to give Lucy the brass tacts. If their friendship is something real. If it's something that could last. Lucy and Rory should be able to deal with some HONESTY.

Yes, if someone is your friend, they should be able to take honesty, but as far as how Rory goes about it, Lucy is already upset with her, so it would make sense for Rory to tread lightly. Perhaps a little sensitivity with this situation will go a long way. The major burden of responsibility is on Marty for this one and that is where it should stay.

lemon tart · 01-11-2007, 10:22 AM

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Since Mart wasn't taking full responsability for the mess in MF, I wonder if he already got a chance to talk to Lucy and what he said to her. Would he confess the true or keep saying that "he and Rory didn't think it was a big deal" like it was a mutual decision? If he again acted like it was a mutual decision, Rory will have to spill everything if she wants Lucy to forgive her.

I doubt he's tried. He initiated the lie to begin with to avoid the truth. Do you really think he would willingly subject himself to that sort of emotional conflict? I don't. Not when he clearly was avoiding questions from the beginning. Plus, he saw what Lucy's reaction was. I think he would move along and find a new victim, not try to go through the slog of making things right.

I'm not a huge fan of Lucy, but I love that Rory's trying to make things right.

SarahLovesLogan · 01-11-2007, 10:30 AM

Great point, Laura! Marty had a chance to tell the truth when the deception was first exposed. He CHOSE to continue to include Rory in it. If he had cared about not hurting Rory, he would have owned up and said it was on him. He didn't. He made it sound like him and Rory were in on it together, which wasn't really the case.

I don't think Rory owes Marty anything. Like Jason said, if you're going to get involved with lying, be prepared for the consequences.

gilmorebrazil · 01-11-2007, 10:34 AM

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I doubt he's tried. He initiated the lie to begin with to avoid the truth. Do you really think he would willingly subject himself to that sort of emotional conflict? I don't. Not when he clearly was avoiding questions from the beginning. Plus, he saw what Lucy's reaction was. I think he would move along and find a new victim, not try to go through the slog of making things right..

Well, that would make Marty a not so sweet and nice guy...

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I'm not a huge fan of Lucy, but I love that Rory's trying to make things right.

I have to agree with you. And it wouldn't be Rory if she didn't try to apologize. Remember Rory/Francie/Paris situation in season 3? Rory can make some stupid choices for even more stupid reasons, but she ends up being a good friend.

SarahLovesLogan · 01-11-2007, 10:38 AM

I just had a thought. It's a complete stretch, but with Lane going to have twins soon, I wonder if that will help play into Rory feeling confused. Perhaps part of the reason for the awesome Lane/Rory scenes in the beginning of the season, was to show us that even though we aren't usually seeing it, that Lane and Rory are as close as ever.

It would be very interesting to see Rory not sure of her friendship with Lane anymore. When one's lifestyle changes so drastically, it can be hard for the person "left behind", even in friendships. When I got married, none of my friends knew what to do with me. They didn't want to "intrude" on my new life. I felt lonely and left out because of it. Now that they are all married and have children as well, things are back on an even keel. But it could be an interesting dynamic to portray on screen.

Especially if it ties into Rory unsure about her future. It would be another way of reinforcing that you can never really go home again. Because even your best friends grow up, change, and have lives apart from the way you knew them. It would also be a way for Rory to experience this without having to YET AGAIN doubt her feeling/future with Logan.

Shu · 01-11-2007, 10:47 AM

Haven't they been down this road before though when Rory went off to college and lane was left behind. I think in many ways they've moved past that awkwardness. I saw a lot of that in season 4, 5, and in 6 they started to rebuild what they had just a little bit.

But, it could be interesting to see if Rory feels weird around lane again.

iamsher · 01-11-2007, 10:50 AM

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I don’t think Rory would intentionally want to destroy Marty’s and Lucy’s relationship by telling Lucy the truth. Rory could say that she knew how Lucy felt about Marty and wanted to tell her but was afraid that Lucy might feel she was jealous and trying to break them up and she figured that eventually Marty would tell her.

Their relationship has already been destroyed through lack of trust. Rory's best bet would be to tell HER truth - that she was caught off guard and ended up agreeing to go along with Marty on this charade. The "why" can come from Marty if Lucy so feels she still wants to know.

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To be honest with ya, I don't think Rory can trust Marty. I agree that it's Marty's feelings and reasons that need explaining and that Rory shouldn't do that for him, especially because she doesn't *really* know what's going on in his head. However, he has not proven himself to be honest or straightforward about it and, if I were Rory, I'd be on pins and needles wondering what he was saying to Lucy, and whether he was creating even more problems for Rory down the road.

That's what I was thinking, too. I don't know how much Rory should trust Marty.

catkirk7 · 01-11-2007, 10:52 AM

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Haven't they been down this road before though when Rory went off to college and lane was left behind. I think in many ways they've moved past that awkwardness. I saw a lot of that in season 4, 5, and in 6 they started to rebuild what they had just a little bit.

But, it could be interesting to see if Rory feels weird around lane again.

I don't think we've already seen weirdness between Lane and Rory. They've mentioned that it was weird that they didn't see eachother all the time. But every time we've seen them together they chatted easily like always. Lane becoming a wife and mother separates them in a way they've never been separated before.

However, I'm not sure I want to see that. I would love more Rory/Lane scenes, but more with them supporting eachother.

lilmelodie · 01-11-2007, 10:54 AM

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Their relationship has already been destroyed through lack of trust. Rory's best bet would be to tell HER truth - that she was caught off guard and ended up agreeing to go along with Marty on this charade. The "why" can come from Marty if Lucy so feels she still wants to know.

I agree.

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I don't think we've already seen weirdness between Lane and Rory. They've mentioned that it was weird that they didn't see eachother all the time. But every time we've seen them together they chatted easily like always. Lane becoming a wife and mother separates them in a way they've never been separated before.

However, I'm not sure I want to see that. I would love more Rory/Lane scenes, but more with them supporting eachother.

It is something that happens, but I think the fact that Lane and Zach were willing to have Brian live with them after they got married shows that they're pretty open to having people around. What I would like to see is Rory bringing Logan around when she hangs out with Lane and Zach. Personally, even though Zach has sort of endeared himself to me in his own strange way, I think that Logan would be thoroughly annoyed with him, but I could see Logan and Lane having a good time talking.

Sandlynn · 01-11-2007, 10:56 AM

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Especially if it ties into Rory unsure about her future. It would be another way of reinforcing that you can never really go home again. Because even your best friends grow up, change, and have lives apart from the way you knew them. It would also be a way for Rory to experience this without having to YET AGAIN doubt her feeling/future with Logan.

I actually thought you were going someplace else with this, i.e., that it would reinforce the feeling that *everyone* is moving on -- Logan got serious about this career and has turned into an adult (and a serious businessman); Lane got married and is having kids; even her mother got married. Of course, Rory will soon be graduating, so she isn't stagnating. But she's still a student, without a real job and her personal life is sort of in a holding pattern just now.

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From the R&L thread, since you're talking about her over here:

I've thought of one way that they can tie the silly Marty/Lucy storyline to the TA storyline. What if a disgruntled and spurned Marty witnesses Rory's little crush on the TA and informs Logan of it? Sort of a payback and to make trouble "in paradise". I also thought that maybe Lucy would "inadvertently" do it, but I guess that all depends on how she ends up feeling about Rory, i.e., whether she remains angry or, if not, whether she just blabs about it in conversation without meaning any harm.

The same thing could happen with Paris revealing the information in front of Logan, making some sort of crack about the possibility of "other paramours" staying at their apt, per the provision in their lease.

gilmorebrazil · 01-11-2007, 11:08 AM

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Their relationship has already been destroyed through lack of trust. Rory's best bet would be to tell HER truth - that she was caught off guard and ended up agreeing to go along with Marty on this charade. The "why" can come from Marty if Lucy so feels she still wants to know.

One of Lucy's questions for Rory can be "why" or "when" she and Marty stopped to hang out. If Rory is trying to be honest she has to answer with the truth.

catkirk7 · 01-11-2007, 11:10 AM

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It is something that happens, but I think the fact that Lane and Zach were willing to have Brian live with them after they got married shows that they're pretty open to having people around. What I would like to see is Rory bringing Logan around when she hangs out with Lane and Zach. Personally, even though Zach has sort of endeared himself to me in his own strange way, I think that Logan would be thoroughly annoyed with him, but I could see Logan and Lane having a good time talking.

I would seriously be giddy if they showed us this double date. I think I would adore a well written conversation between Logan and Lane.

With regard to the bolded, you're probably right. But Paris and Doyle annoy him too and he regards them with bemusement. He's always been respectful to Rory's friends.

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One of Lucy's questions for Rory can be "why" or "when" she and Marty stopped to hang out. If Rory is trying to be honest she has to answer with the truth.

Absolutely she would have to answer this honestly. But Rory doesn't actually know why Marty started this lie. She has her perception of why. But she doesn't really know. So, yes, she has to answer any questions honestly, but she can't straight out say, 'Marty likes me and that's why he lied.' First of all, it's not Rory at all, and secondly, she doesn't really know that.

Shu · 01-11-2007, 11:19 AM

Christine, I see your point sort of. But, I always saw Lane is being the one who sort of resented Rory indirectly. She had this whole you're so lucky attitude about Rory being at college while she was in a holding pattern. But, you are correct that it hasn't been obvious. Frankly, I am tired of the aloofness and weirdness in Rory and Lane's friendship. I personally would prefer to see them making a bigger effort despite the change Lane is going through with her new marriage and babies on the way.