Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #136 ~ Someone Call Rory and Ask How She's Doing - Page 4

elduccia · 01-11-2007, 06:44 AM

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No, after 7.13.....

Eh, but that's too easy...

TheJSW · 01-11-2007, 06:47 AM

Triple S could lead to a lot of shenanigans. I hope SHO-RUNNA and the SUPPOSEDLY GREAT GGWT can make it where everyone is happy. Yet, I fear, that shenanigans will break out, rabbits will mount ground lasers, weebles will wooble but they will not fall down, and Pop Tarts will suddenly taste like ****. Very much...a mass hysteria situation.

lilmelodie · 01-11-2007, 07:57 AM

Thanks for the new thread!

Jason, I love your avi.

SarahLovesLogan · 01-11-2007, 08:06 AM

I wonder how Rory could write to Lucy explaining why she hid the fact she knew Marty, without revealing that Marty still had a thing for her. Or do you think she won't care about keeping Marty out of it, since he got her in trouble with her friends?

I can't decide. I don't think it's a very Rory thing to do to shove the blame on Marty, even though he IS the original one to blame. But I can't see how she would get Lucy to forgive without fully explaining what an awkward position she was in, and why.

caf123 · 01-11-2007, 08:14 AM

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I wonder how Rory could write to Lucy explaining why she hid the fact she knew Marty, without revealing that Marty still had a thing for her. Or do you think she won't care about keeping Marty out of it, since he got her in trouble with her friends?

I can't decide. I don't think it's a very Rory thing to do to shove the blame on Marty, even though he IS the original one to blame. But I can't see how she would get Lucy to forgive without fully explaining what an awkward position she was in, and why.

I haven't got a clue. Not being sarcastic - I've been turning that round in my mind too, and still can't figure it out.

But it does feel good having an old-fashioned mystery to spec about - by which I mean, something that we'll probably guess wrong but doesn't make a tremendous difference to any main character's life. Hopefully I'm right about that, but this doesn't sound like another major derailment issue for anyone, and that's a relief.

Also curious what happens next time Marty shows up, if he does, after Rory's letter to Lucy.

lilmelodie · 01-11-2007, 08:16 AM

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I wonder how Rory could write to Lucy explaining why she hid the fact she knew Marty, without revealing that Marty still had a thing for her. Or do you think she won't care about keeping Marty out of it, since he got her in trouble with her friends?

I can't decide. I don't think it's a very Rory thing to do to shove the blame on Marty, even though he IS the original one to blame. But I can't see how she would get Lucy to forgive without fully explaining what an awkward position she was in, and why.

I'm curious about that too. I agree that it wouldn't seem like Rory to put all the blame on Marty, but since it is a lot his fault, I don't know. Perhaps she'll just approach it from the standpoint that Marty pretended not to know her and that she was so taken off guard that she just went along with it, but that she's sorry she did and she never meant to hurt Lucy's feelings. That way she could still place the burden of telling why Marty did that on Marty.

Sandlynn · 01-11-2007, 08:42 AM

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I'm curious about that too. I agree that it wouldn't seem like Rory to put all the blame on Marty, but since it is a lot his fault, I don't know. Perhaps she'll just approach it from the standpoint that Marty pretended not to know her and that she was so taken off guard that she just went along with it, but that she's sorry she did and she never meant to hurt Lucy's feelings. That way she could still place the burden of telling why Marty did that on Marty.

Well that would be the truth of it, so that's the way to go. What Rory would be "hiding" or not addressing -- and probably feels that Marty should be telling Lucy -- is that Rory thinks she knows why he was acting so oddly and pulling her into this lie. He hasn't out-and-out said it, but he's strongly suggested that he still has a thing for Rory and so that's why he's been cagey about being truthful with Lucy. (And, who knows what little stories he's been telling Lucy about his past that Rory doesn't know about. She thinks it's not the biggest deal in the world since they were only friends, but he might have implied otherwise to Lucy.)

Also, I didn't like the way he worded this:

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LUCY: You guys know each other?

RORY: Yes.

MARTY: It was freshman year. It's no big deal.

LUCY: You've been keeping this from me? Why? I-I don't understand. You guys are friends? You know each other?

RORY: I'm sorry, Lucy.

MARTY: We just didn't think…

LUCY: So you both have been lying to me about this? I don't understand. Why? For what?

MARTY: I don't know.

LUCY: Oh, my god. This is so messed up. I have to go.

By saying, *we* just didn't think, he's implying that Rory agreed to if not suggested that they pretend not to know each other -- like he and Rory discussed it when they did not. He's not taking full responsibility but making it appear that Rory was a willing and equal participant.

As a result, we get the next line from Lucy: "So you both have been lying to me about this?" The subtext is that, once again, Rory was a full and willing participant.

So, that's what Rory has to address. That he totally caught her off guard and Lucy should talk to Marty about why he initiated this lie. She's sorry that she went along with it, and in fact, by not being straight from the get-go this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. In other words, there is no THERE, there, from her point of view.

lilmelodie · 01-11-2007, 09:05 AM

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Well that would be the truth of it, so that's the way to go. What Rory would be "hiding" or not addressing -- and probably feels that Marty should be telling Lucy -- is that Rory thinks she knows why he was acting so oddly and pulling her into this lie. He hasn't out-and-out said it, but he's strongly suggested that he still has a thing for Rory and so that's why he's been cagey about being truthful with Lucy. (And, who knows what little stories he's been telling Lucy about his past that Rory doesn't know about. She thinks it's not the biggest deal in the world since they were only friends, but he might have implied otherwise to Lucy.)

Also, I didn't like the way he worded this:

By saying, *we* just didn't think, he's implying that Rory agreed to if not suggested that they pretend not to know each other -- like he and Rory discussed it when they did not. He's not taking full responsibility but making it appear that Rory was a willing and equal participant.

As a result, we get the next line from Lucy: "So you both have been lying to me about this?" The subtext is that, once again, Rory was a full and willing participant.

So, that's what Rory has to address. That he totally caught her off guard and Lucy should talk to Marty about why he initiated this lie. She's sorry that she went along with it, and in fact, by not being straight from the get-go this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. In other words, there is no THERE, there, from her point of view.

I agree. I think Marty pulling her into the lie was lousy and because he started the whole fiasco, he needs to set it straight too.

gilmorebrazil · 01-11-2007, 09:22 AM

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Well that would be the truth of it, so that's the way to go. What Rory would be "hiding" or not addressing -- and probably feels that Marty should be telling Lucy -- is that Rory thinks she knows why he was acting so oddly and pulling her into this lie. He hasn't out-and-out said it, but he's strongly suggested that he still has a thing for Rory and so that's why he's been cagey about being truthful with Lucy. (And, who knows what little stories he's been telling Lucy about his past that Rory doesn't know about. She thinks it's not the biggest deal in the world since they were only friends, but he might have implied otherwise to Lucy.)

Also, I didn't like the way he worded this:

By saying, *we* just didn't think, he's implying that Rory agreed to if not suggested that they pretend not to know each other -- like he and Rory discussed it when they did not. He's not taking full responsibility but making it appear that Rory was a willing and equal participant.

As a result, we get the next line from Lucy: "So you both have been lying to me about this?" The subtext is that, once again, Rory was a full and willing participant.

So, that's what Rory has to address. That he totally caught her off guard and Lucy should talk to Marty about why he initiated this lie. She's sorry that she went along with it, and in fact, by not being straight from the get-go this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. In other words, there is no THERE, there, from her point of view.

Since Mart wasn't taking full responsability for the mess in MF, I wonder if he already got a chance to talk to Lucy and what he said to her. Would he confess the true or keep saying that "he and Rory didn't think it was a big deal" like it was a mutual decision? If he again acted like it was a mutual decision, Rory will have to spill everything if she wants Lucy to forgive her.

2ggObsessed · 01-11-2007, 09:31 AM

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I wonder how Rory could write to Lucy explaining why she hid the fact she knew Marty, without revealing that Marty still had a thing for her. Or do you think she won't care about keeping Marty out of it, since he got her in trouble with her friends?

I can't decide. I don't think it's a very Rory thing to do to shove the blame on Marty, even though he IS the original one to blame. But I can't see how she would get Lucy to forgive without fully explaining what an awkward position she was in, and why.

I don’t think Rory would intentionally want to destroy Marty’s and Lucy’s relationship by telling Lucy the truth. Rory could say that she knew how Lucy felt about Marty and wanted to tell her but was afraid that Lucy might feel she was jealous and trying to break them up and she figured that eventually Marty would tell her.

currienc · 01-11-2007, 09:38 AM

I rarely post on this board (frankly you guys are a little too intense for me), but the title of the thread drew me in. So, here goes. I just have to ask - is anyone else as frustrated as I am that Rory's big crisis this season seems to be dealing with a re-hash of the Marty situation? It's bad enough that Lorelai's storyline is so regressive. Did we really have to take Rory on a walk down "what-could-have-been" lane too? It would make watching the show much less difficult if we could have a little less wallowing in the mire that is L/L/C, and have a more straighforward and focused storyline for Rory - one that shows her actually dealing with her insecurities regarding her future (with or without Logan), her upcoming graduation (don't imagine she'll be valedictorian this time!) and the mess her mom is in and how it really affects her. Right now, the only decent storyline in the show, in my opinion, is Luke's story. I know some of you seem to resent the amount of time spent on it but, in my opinion, it's the only storyline that is remotely logical and well done this year.

Frankly, like many of you, I had hoped for more during Season 7, considering it really is probably the last season of the show. I had always thought that Season 7 would be mostly about Rory and watching her go out into the world, with hopefully some indication that Lorelai had grown up, learning how to be in a real commited relationship with her best friend (but with the focus more on Rory's journey than on Lorelai's, at that point). I also wanted a serious treatment of Lorelai's relationship with her parents. Obviously, not to be. We'll probably get cursory nods to all of that, but considering how "well" things have gone during the first 10 episodes, I seen no real way that these issues will be able to be addressed in any truly satisfactory way by the end of this season. It certainly seems too late for Lorelai's situation to be resolved in any sort of coherent fashion, but, here's hoping that at least Rory gets some serious, non-fluffy attention from the writers soon - before it's too late to fix any part of this mess.

SarahLovesLogan · 01-11-2007, 09:40 AM

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I don’t think Rory would intentionally want to destroy Marty’s and Lucy’s relationship by telling Lucy the truth. Rory could say that she knew how Lucy felt about Marty and wanted to tell her but was afraid that Lucy might feel she was jealous and trying to break them up and she figured that eventually Marty would tell her.

So you think the best way to fix a lie of omission is to lie AGAIN? Rory wouldn't be intentionally destroying Lucy's relationship with Marty. MARTY did that already.

I don't see anything positive being gained by adding more lies to the mix. If Rory says she was worried Lucy thought she might be jealous, then Lucy would wonder if she had a REASON to be jealous, or why would someone wonder that?

At this point, the only way I can see out of the mess is the truth. Told as tactfully as possible.

2ggObsessed · 01-11-2007, 09:56 AM

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So you think the best way to fix a lie of omission is to lie AGAIN? Rory wouldn't be intentionally destroying Lucy's relationship with Marty. MARTY did that already.

I don't see anything positive being gained by adding more lies to the mix. If Rory says she was worried Lucy thought she might be jealous, then Lucy would wonder if she had a REASON to be jealous, or why would someone wonder that?

At this point, the only way I can see out of the mess is the truth. Told as tactfully as possible.

But would Rory be lying in telling her she thought she would be jealous? The fact that Rory went along with Marty and kept their friendship a secret and then get caught in the lie would lead her to believe that Lucy would think there was more to it than there actually was.

I don’t think it’s Rory’s place to tell her exactly what happened, Marty should. She shouldn’t be responsible for breaking up the relationship by revealing what Marty was hiding, Mary should take responsibility for that. After explaining to Lucy in her letter why she didn’t say anything, she should then tell her to talk to Marty about it. Place the ball back in Marty’s hands where it belongs.

jalapeno_wildchild · 01-11-2007, 10:05 AM

thanks for the thread Caf. i'm betting almost anything that the writers will have L/L re-united by eigther 7.18 or 7.19, for the simple fact that they'll want to show us that they're back together and happy. that will give them at least 4 or 5 episodes to do it in.

gilmorebrazil · 01-11-2007, 10:08 AM

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But would Rory be lying in thinking that Lucy would be jealous? The fact that Rory went along with Marty and kept their friendship a secret and then get caught in the lie would lead her to believe that Lucy would think there was more to it than there actually was.

I don’t think it’s Rory’s place to tell her exactly what happened, Marty should. She shouldn’t be responsible for breaking up the relationship by revealing what Marty was hiding, Mary should take responsibility for that. After explaining to Lucy in her letter why she didn’t say anything, she should then tell her to talk to Marty about it. Place the ball back in Marty’s hands where it belongs.

At this point, to earn Lucy's friendship again, Rory owns her the whole true. She can't think about protecting Marty. Even unintentionally, Rory was already doing that when she allowed him to involve her in his deception. Marty had something to hide, Rory didn't. To fix her friendship with Lucy she needs to show loyalty, no matter what. It's Marty job to proof Lucy that he really loves her and to try to conquer her again, not Rory's.