Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #136 ~ Someone Call Rory and Ask How She's Doing - Page 15

FuzzyCerts · 01-12-2007, 06:47 AM

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There's this guy, the diner guy that he doens't like and that he's jalous of.

And now, for the first time ever, Chriss will be jealous of Luke, and he will realize for the first time, that he´s not Lorelai first choice.....and I can´t fraggin´ wait.

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If Chris doesn't even KNOW about Richard, how in blue blazes is he supposed to comfort Lorelai. It really is ALL about her.

Maybe she leaves 894 messages on his voice-mail, but he´s whining so much he can´t hear them ???
Don´t know, lets wait and see, but IMO there HAS to be more to come, cause it can´t only be Chrissy´s bratty behaviour and him not being there.....

Cappuccino · 01-12-2007, 06:51 AM

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I will believe Chris isn't the victim in this, and deserves everything he gets (which I'm still not sure of) when I see it play out on screen.

If Chris doesn't even KNOW about Richard, how in blue blazes is he supposed to comfort Lorelai. It really is ALL about her. She hasn't learned anything yet. I'll be waiting to see something show me she has before I'd get too excited about a L/L reunion.

We know she tries to reach him all day long but he either turned his cell off or just ignores her calls. Both don't look good to me in my books especially for he has little kid at home. Even if Gigi is with the nanny or his mother he should be reachable but no little poor Chris has throw himself a pity party and doesn't give a damn about the rest of the world. Very mature that one but at least he turned into a better man this season

lkelve · 01-12-2007, 06:52 AM

EPG....

GOOD NEWS "GG IS BACK"/BAD NEWS "ASP IS STILL NOT BACK" --Noticing Sookie's recent odd behavior SOOKIE ODD?? REALLY? IT'S SO UNLIKE HER, Lorelai forces Jackson THE BEST DIRECTOR EVER to tell her the reason SHE'S PREGGO?? Luke and Anna SUDDENLY A VILLIAN attend a hearing WILL HE WEAR A FLANNEL AND BACKWARDS BASEBALL CAP? to decide their custody battle IT'S SO GREAT THAT WE CALL IT A "BATTLE" over April, THE PLOT DEVICE. With help from Paris THANK GOD. SHE'S IN A SCENE, BUT WHY WOULD SHE EVEN ASSOCIATE WITH A FLAKE LIKE LUCY?, Rory finally makes amends with Lucy NOW WE CAN ALL BREATHE A SIGH OF RELIEF, who tells her that she and Marty AKA THE STALKER. LUCY FINDS HIS "RORY ROOM" have broken up NOW LUCY CAN LEAVE THE SHOW, RIGHT?. While attending Richard's economics class at Yale AS IS GRANDDAUGHTER, IS THIS APPROPRIATE?, Rory witnesses a frightening scene LOGAN APPLYING GEL TO HIS HAIR??? NO NO NO. DRAMA FINALLY, PEOPLE!! Christopher THE SNOOP finds the letter Lorelai wrote for Luke's character reference AWWWW and confronts Lorelai about whether he was her second choice IT'S CALLED "REBOUND," CHRIS. WAKE UP. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BED SOMEONE THE NIGHT SHE BROKE UP WITH HER FIANCEE. KARMA. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.... ON AN ALL NEW GILMORE GIRLS."

Cappuccino · 01-12-2007, 06:58 AM

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EPG....

GOOD NEWS "GG IS BACK"/BAD NEWS "ASP IS STILL NOT BACK" --Noticing Sookie's recent odd behavior SOOKIE ODD?? REALLY? IT'S SO UNLIKE HER, Lorelai forces Jackson THE BEST DIRECTOR EVER to tell her the reason SHE'S PREGGO?? Luke and Anna SUDDENLY A VILLIAN attend a hearing WILL HE WEAR A FLANNEL AND BACKWARDS BASEBALL CAP? to decide their custody battle IT'S SO GREAT THAT WE CALL IT A "BATTLE" over April, THE PLOT DEVICE. With help from Paris THANK GOD. SHE'S IN A SCENE, BUT WHY WOULD SHE EVEN ASSOCIATE WITH A FLAKE LIKE LUCY?, Rory finally makes amends with Lucy NOW WE CAN ALL BREATHE A SIGH OF RELIEF, who tells her that she and Marty AKA THE STALKER. LUCY FINDS HIS "RORY ROOM" have broken up NOW LUCY CAN LEAVE THE SHOW, RIGHT?. While attending Richard's economics class at Yale AS IS GRANDDAUGHTER, IS THIS APPROPRIATE?, Rory witnesses a frightening scene LOGAN APPLYING GEL TO HIS HAIR??? NO NO NO. DRAMA FINALLY, PEOPLE!! Christopher THE SNOOP finds the letter Lorelai wrote for Luke's character reference AWWWW and confronts Lorelai about whether he was her second choice IT'S CALLED "REBOUND," CHRIS. WAKE UP. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BED SOMEONE THE NIGHT SHE BROKE UP WITH HER FIANCEE. KARMA. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.... ON AN ALL NEW GILMORE GIRLS."

Thank you

elduccia · 01-12-2007, 07:00 AM

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And now, for the first time ever, Chriss will be jealous of Luke, and he will realize for the first time, that he´s not Lorelai first choice.....and I can´t fraggin´ wait.

God, I wish we'd live in the same place and we could watch that episode together. Your happy dance around the telly's gonna be priceless!

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Maybe she leaves 894 messages on his voice-mail, but he´s whining so much he can´t hear them ???

That was sort of my point: he's hurt and upset but most of all he'll make himself unreachable not only to Lorelai - I do understand leaving the phone on and not answering to her, but maybe Rory will try and reach him but she can't and this might really annoy Lorelai.

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Don´t know, lets wait and see, but IMO there HAS to be more to come, cause it can´t only be Chrissy´s bratty behaviour and him not being there.....

Well maybe that he'll turn the character reference letter FOR Luke into a letter AGAINST him?

I think we could all come up with valid reasons none of which - alone - could lead to a break up.
I think that Pam said it in the best possible way in her post.
All the pieces of their lives together will not combine as well as they thought it would.
Reality - as in who the real Chris and the real Lorelai are after 22 years of separate lives - will show them they cannot build a life together.
Feelings - whether they are real or idealized - are never enough to make a relationship work.

lorelaisgirl · 01-12-2007, 07:00 AM

FYI: I just saw that the podcast is up (and I read it here too somewhere), I have to go to my pony now (b/c hello, she needs to eat. lol) and when I get back I'll transcribe the podcast.

elduccia · 01-12-2007, 07:01 AM

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We know she tries to reach him all day long but he either turned his cell off or just ignores her calls. Both don't look good to me in my books especially for he has little kid at home. Even if Gigi is with the nanny or his mother he should be reachable but no little poor Chris has throw himself a pity party and doesn't give a damn about the rest of the world. Very mature that one but at least he turned into a better man this season

Exactly what I was going to say!

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EPG....

GOOD NEWS "GG IS BACK"/BAD NEWS "ASP IS STILL NOT BACK" --Noticing Sookie's recent odd behavior SOOKIE ODD?? REALLY? IT'S SO UNLIKE HER, Lorelai forces Jackson THE BEST DIRECTOR EVER to tell her the reason SHE'S PREGGO?? Luke and Anna SUDDENLY A VILLIAN attend a hearing WILL HE WEAR A FLANNEL AND BACKWARDS BASEBALL CAP? to decide their custody battle IT'S SO GREAT THAT WE CALL IT A "BATTLE" over April, THE PLOT DEVICE. With help from Paris THANK GOD. SHE'S IN A SCENE, BUT WHY WOULD SHE EVEN ASSOCIATE WITH A FLAKE LIKE LUCY?, Rory finally makes amends with Lucy NOW WE CAN ALL BREATHE A SIGH OF RELIEF, who tells her that she and Marty AKA THE STALKER. LUCY FINDS HIS "RORY ROOM" have broken up NOW LUCY CAN LEAVE THE SHOW, RIGHT?. While attending Richard's economics class at Yale AS IS GRANDDAUGHTER, IS THIS APPROPRIATE?, Rory witnesses a frightening scene LOGAN APPLYING GEL TO HIS HAIR??? NO NO NO. DRAMA FINALLY, PEOPLE!! Christopher THE SNOOP finds the letter Lorelai wrote for Luke's character reference AWWWW and confronts Lorelai about whether he was her second choice IT'S CALLED "REBOUND," CHRIS. WAKE UP. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BED SOMEONE THE NIGHT SHE BROKE UP WITH HER FIANCEE. KARMA. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.... ON AN ALL NEW GILMORE GIRLS."

caf123 · 01-12-2007, 07:20 AM

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DR said that Chris had changed and he said that the relationship was going to become quite deep.

DR said a lot of things that haven't quite happened.

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I'm just wondering: why bothering spending half the season to portrait Chris as a more responsible guy - at least more than he was in the past -

"More than he was in the past" is slim pickings indeed.

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and to build a relationhip btw him and Lorelai,

To fill their s quota of "wonderful romantic scenes" and show the audience that traditional funny/happy Lorelai - never mind that she was pseudo-happy.

And why they didn't make better use of young Rory and Logan for the romance factor, I'll never understand.

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only to play that "he's a brat, he's totally a me me me guy" all of a sudden in episode 7.13.

He never stopped being a me-me guy.

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Yes Chris is weak and immature but he knows it, Emily knows it, Lorelai knows it. So why should it become an issue all of a sudden?

Because Lorelai can't pretend to herself forever. Only until the finale gets closer. Gotta put off that reunion until the very end. Remember your TV 101 textbook.

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Well possibly because his weakness will affect Rory when Chris will let her down in 7.13 and Lorelai won't like that.

Wonder if the show will finally remember that Rory's in this too.

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and you'll have a complex situation where there's no black vs white scenario.

I suspect it actually will be quite black and white. It's a parallel. Chris was never there for his daughter, or the woman raising her, the woman he claims he always loved. He rarely even knew what was happening in their lives. He ran off to California, carelessly putting his own life first - look at the parallel again. He "couldn't make" Rory's high school graduation, he didn't know that she dropped out of school and committed a felony, because even back on the East Coast, he'd dropped out of her life for another year.

If he disappears into his pity party and can't be reached and doesn't even know that Richard is ill, it's simply more of the same.

Why the audience has to sit through this repetitive and redundant storyline is the real question.

iamsher · 01-12-2007, 07:21 AM

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From Lorelai

Logic?

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So this meant nothing

Partings

So she LOVED Luke first, making Chris second, do the math!

So everyone who loved someone before will always have them as their first choice? I guess I should tell hubby that he's my second choice. Again - logic?

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So will you every believe Lorelai again?

If she says Chris was 2nd choice or doesn't answer him what will we think.

When we can't trust the words spoken then what it the point of watching the show it you think they are liars?

Will you ever believe Lorelai if she says that Chris ISN'T her second choice?

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Per MA, Christopher is not aware of Richard's health crisis; what matters is that he is not there when Lorelai needs him.

How can it matter that he's not there if he doesn't even know? That's probably the most illogical thing ever. But, then again - I never put much into MA. He seems very stupid at the best of times. Not to mention his fangirl state rather than an actual journalist.

Cappuccino · 01-12-2007, 07:38 AM

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How can it matter that he's not there if he doesn't even know? That's probably the most illogical thing ever. But, then again - I never put much into MA. He seems very stupid at the best of times. Not to mention his fangirl state rather than an actual journalist.

And he once said Luke and Chris choose to deal differently with the situation - one is there and the other not. If you don't know about a situation how can choose how to deal with it ? We have to wait and see how it turns out anyway.

caf123 · 01-12-2007, 07:41 AM

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So everyone who loved someone before will always have them as their first choice?

ASP seemed to think so.

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Will you ever believe Lorelai if she says that Chris ISN'T her second choice?

Will you ever believe Lorelai if she says Chris IS her second choice?

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How can it matter that he's not there if he doesn't even know? That's probably the most illogical thing ever.

Not illogical at all. Actually does make sense. But Bingo - you've hit the nail on the head.

Either you blame a parent for not being around for his kid, for disappearing so far he rarely even knew what was happening with her, or you absolve him because he didn't know - even though it was his choice not to know, not to walk through that open door. In Christopher's own words, to "rarely" use it.

Those who think he was justified being a 'me-me' father for 22 years, will think he's justified being a 'me-me' guy now, too.

SarahLovesLogan · 01-12-2007, 07:41 AM

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Will you ever believe Lorelai if she says that Chris ISN'T her second choice?

I can answer that! The answer is NO! They will NEVER believe that Lorelai could genuinely love Chris, but still realise SHE is not ready to be married, to anyone. Until she works on herself.

I actually think Chris is the lucky one when this marriage ends. He is trying, she simply isn't. He deserves someone who will capable of an adult relationship. Right now, Lorelai isn't that person.

**let me sign** · 01-12-2007, 07:46 AM

Is Chris her second, choice? hmmm I don't know, let me think:

-He proposed to her when they were 16. she said NO
-He propose to her 16 years later. she said NO
-She didn't have ANY contact with him till he called her for help, and even then.. she wasn't interested
-He broke of her relationship with a guy. she said NO to him
- she broke off her engagement with a guy SHe asked to merry, TWICE and THEn came to him for 'help'
-He asked her to marry him AGAIN (like abroken record) she didn't even reply

are you a second choice Chris...? Can we be sure about it... Let me think.....

elduccia · 01-12-2007, 07:46 AM

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Wonder if the show will finally remember that Rory's in this too.

I hope so.

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I suspect it actually will be quite black and white. It's a parallel. Chris was never there for his daughter, or the woman raising her, the woman he claims he always loved. He rarely even knew what was happening in their lives. He ran off to California, carelessly putting his own life first - look at the parallel again. He "couldn't make" Rory's high school graduation, he didn't know that she dropped out of school and committed a felony, because even back on the East Coast, he'd dropped out of her life for another year.

If he disappears into his pity party and can't be reached and doesn't even know that Richard is ill, it's simply more of the same.

Well no, it isn't.
You know why? Because back to the times that you mentioned - Rory's graduation, her dropping out of school, her felony - he wasn't included in their lives.
It was a given fact that he was going to live somewhere else and call and talk to Rory everynow and then. Hell, even meet her for lunch or something but that was it. It's almost normal when your parents don't live together and one of them hasn't been there for you steadly.
I see it every day. My father in law doens't know a thing about his son - hubby - because he's been divorced by my mother in law for more than 20 years and hasn't care that much about his son.
So him not being there when he's needed is not surprising or hurtful anymore.
Remeber Rory saying that his father promising to be there for her presentation to society was still leaving a 50% chance that he would have missed it.
They - Rory and Lorelai - were almost making jokes about it, as it was a given fact that they couldn't count on Chris.

But now it's different.
Chris made a promise (for better of worse, 'til death do us part, you know) and he made - presumably - a commitment to the Haden/Gilmore family.
A commitment he seems pretty serious about, but only as in to make sure that Lorelai is all in and that she loves her back.
Where the hell is Rory in this commitment? He go visit her in Yale, sure.
But's it's very easy to "be there" in the good times.

To miss the opportunity to support Rory when Richard is sick will be 100 times a bigger lack from Chris side than it ever was, let's say in Forgiveness and Stuff, because now they are family and still he can't seem to be around when he's needed.

When Anna - not my favourite character, just to be clear - told Luke that "parenting is not something you choose, not somethng you can call your self out of, even if temporarily just because is complicated, is not something you work around other things, but you work other things around it, including your issues, because your kids come first" she was explaining the quintessence of parenting.
Even more true and real if you actually live with your own family, since you don't have the excuse of the distance.

That's how is different. And I guess Chris won't see how bad his lack is, this time.

And this comes from someone who likes him - ie, me

- regardless of his flaws.

MickeyJr3000 · 01-12-2007, 07:48 AM

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How can it matter that he's not there if he doesn't even know?

I think this can be a great question regarding the other 22 years of Rory's life.
Why should it matter that he wasn't there for her, if he didn't know about her graduation/felony/dropping out/birthday/etc?

Not to be confused with if he didn't know she existed at all, of course. If Lorelai gave birth to Rory and then hid her and lied to Chris, telling him that the baby died, then he'd be somewhat absolved for responsibility and Lorelai would be at fault. Thankfully, that only happens in soap operas. On Gilmore Girls, it's watered down to "I just won't tell you I'm having your baby, because you don't like kids"

Hi plot-device's mommy.