Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #133 ~ They Shoot Sources, Don't They?* - Page 16

lemon tart · 01-08-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by iamsher (View Post)

A source is not considered someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who gets spoilers. As for the second part, if you're alluding to something that isn't public knowledge with the season ending, then you're spoiler teasing. Don't. I don't care much about spoilers anymore so how they're coming isn't an issue. I just don't think that people need to spoiler tease. This isn't a power-trip.

Except when it is. Well put, Sher.

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Originally Posted by eyesofblue (View Post)

You need to deal with the fact that sometimes (maybe more than others) there will be spoilers regarding L/L and not R/L. The fact that you aren't getting any R/L spoilers is that there aren't any to be had. That is in no fault of the spoiler spillers, more to those who release the spoilers in the first place.
You can complain about the lack of R/L spoilers, but it's not fair to bash the people who bring over a L/L spoiler.

The naivette of your post belies your claim to have been around here a long time. You might also factor in the fact that no, there aren't Rory/Logan spoilers, and there haven't been all season. Why? Because the WHOLE DAMN SHOW IS FRELLING LORELAI/LUKE/CHRIS, AND NOTHING ELSE! There's a little Rory thrown in every few episodes. Some of us HOPED this might change in the back half of the season. But the spoilers continue to be LORELAI/LUKE/CHRIS, not Rory - Rory/Logan, and thus it would seem that the trend of crappy & dropped storylines will continue for Rory. In this pivitol time for her, her senior year of college.

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Originally Posted by damselfly (View Post)

It's not really the same thing though. They weren't a couple, Rory was with Lorelai, so no crisis that immediately involved Lorelai -- plus Lorelai knew why he was calling, and it wasn't an emergency.

Actually it is the same thing, how is he supposed to know it's an emergency any more than Lorelai did or didn't under the circumstances she ignored his calls? Both situations happen post a falling out between the two of them. How does he know she's not just calling him to work things out, but he's not ready as of yet.

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Originally Posted by leonana (View Post)

Well, what I bolded is mean. I'm not sure how you can spin it any other way, but I'm sure you'll come up with something. I've been lurking mostly, posting infrequently for almost a couple of years now, and I've seen L/L shippers be rude, and Sophies be rude. What amazes me is how some Sophies seem to think their crap doesn't stink.

Perhaps it was, and I went too far. But what she posted was as well, and it stayed with me, much like some of the things I've said in the past about *The JJs* has I'm sure stayed with them.

You can't call people names, and then complain about the name calling. You can't complain about the catagorizing that goes on by people on this thread, I'm quite guilty of it myself, and then do it yourself and not expect people to react. You're just contributing to the problem you're supposedly trying to fix. I choose to generally not complain about the bad manners of fellow posters on this thread, I expect it.

blaab · 01-08-2007, 03:01 PM

Yeah yeah Eva

You know, it is annoying, well to me, as it is, that Rory develops an intens crush. Because I would think this girl/woman should be pretty content with the guy she already has and well I thought she was. And some random attraction to some guy or a little more than that, I get ... that can happen. And sure, what really matters is what you do with it. But the wording, it ain't just a crush ... nope, an intens crush (whatever the hell that means, well I have an idea, but I am not hoping that is it). But worse, the intens crush suddenly seems to be there ... like I said out of nowhere for me ... pompidom INTENS CRUSH ...

But again it may be the wording that is throwing me off here ...

lilmelodie · 01-08-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blaab (View Post)

Yeah yeah Eva

You know, it is annoying, well to me, as it is, that Rory develops an intens crush. Because I would think this girl/woman should be pretty content with the guy she already has and well I thought she was. And some random attraction to some guy or a little more than that, I get ... that can happen. And sure, what really matters is what you do with it. But the wording, it ain't just a crush ... nope, an intens crush (whatever the hell that means, well I have an idea, but I am not hoping that is it). But worse, the intens crush suddenly seems to be there ... like I said out of nowhere for me ... pompidom INTENS CRUSH ...

But again it may be the wording that is throwing me off here ...

Yeah, the wording is throwing me off too. I mean, a crush isn't necessarily bad, it just shows that she has a pulse. It's the "intense" part that has me confused. Especially if this is just a one episode thing.

Tara Ashley · 01-08-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon tart (View Post)

Perhaps it was, and I went too far. But what she posted was as well, and it stayed with me, much like some of the things I've said in the past about *The JJs* has I'm sure stayed with them.

You can't call people names, and then complain about the name calling. You can't complain about the catagorizing that goes on by people on this thread, I'm quite guilty of it myself, and then do it yourself and not expect people to react. You're just contributing to the problem you're supposedly trying to fix. I choose to generally not complain about the bad manners of fellow posters on this thread, I expect it.

I never meant to name call. I don't remember saying anything to you, specifically, but if I did, I apologize. Hurting people's feelings or making people uncomfortable were never my intentions, as they are the very things I spoke out against. Again, I apologize. I'm not a mean person, promise.

Sandlynn · 01-08-2007, 03:22 PM

Bringing this over from the previous thread. It's Jason -- of course -- speaking about Lorelai:

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The lesson being; OPENING YOURSELF UP, DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN YOU WILL GET HURT. She never gives herself to anyone. Enough of that **** already.

Not only that, she's got to get it into her head that compromise does not mean giving up. That it doesn't mean "I surrender". (I don't care who it is, Max, Chris, Jason, Luke, or any of the men she's been with.) And, opening yourself up does not mean that you totally lose yourself and you have no control. In fact, you're supposed to get stronger as a result. Not weaker.

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Why is that though? No RL spoilers to be had, lost source, doesn't care about RL? Those were some of the points flung around last night.

You'll have to ask your friends. It seems that last night an R&L spoiler was thrown out there in response to Jason going on and on about there not being any R&L spoilers. It just miraculously popped up right then and there. What a coincidence.

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I guess the sides with the French names are too far down the road for it to be Lorelai and Christopher picking up Gigi in Paris (and Lorelai looking around and realizing what she did there last time was a HUGE mistake) as apparently Gigi is back already in 11? No doubt Gigi will just appear, maybe flew in on her own, flapped her little arms. I can't see Logan proposing to Rory in a French restaurant if her parents who just got married in Paris (and all the big deal about them eloping without Rory in Paris) are now divorcing, seems a little insentitive. A Michel family reunion? Lane gives the twins French names? Way too soon for Luke to propose, frankly, unless the show goes into manic wrap up mode, although again a French resturant would be a bad idea after the Chris thing. As Chris is supposed to be in later episodes, maybe they have to go there to get marriage documents so they can divorce in the USA?

Just because Lorelai got married in France doesn't mean that everything French has been ruined for *Rory* forever. Maybe for Lorelai, but certainly not for Rory. After all, Rory just returned from a holiday trip to Europe with Logan, including France. So, even though I don't spec the proposal, I don't see why -- if there were to be a proposal -- that a French restaurant would be off limits. Perhaps it's the most romantic restaurant in the city. Why deny yourself that backdrop because of Lorelai's foolishness?

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Okee, Rory and the intens crush ... I try to think about something logical, but right now I cannot come up with a damn thing. Maybe it is the wording; intense crush, to me that wouldn't just happen overnight and well it appears to suddenly be there. KABOOM there it is. Rory has an intense crush. HUH ... like some others already mentioned, the ep before I would think she is still crushed with her grandfathers illness, Logan is there I totally assume to support her. Okee her parents split up and her grandfather is sick.

Rory's so-called storyline was handled this way the entire season. She became best friends forever overnight with Lucy and Olivia. She had a meltdown in the bathroom over her future and five minutes later she was fine. She got jealous of Bobby and resolved it -- sort of -- in one evening. She got a job opportunity at a party and was writing an article the next day. She decided to move out of Logan's place overnight. Everything's been introduced, given shortshrift and dropped. I remember earlier spoilers about the young man she was tutoring that was supposed to have a crush on her. How long did that last? Just a few minutes of airtime? They've basically been shoehorning Rory in whenever L/C/L need to take breaths between lines of dialogue.

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Yeah, the wording is throwing me off too. I mean, a crush isn't necessarily bad, it just shows that she has a pulse. It's the "intense" part that has me confused. Especially if this is just a one episode thing.

Well, if she had a habit of going to bars and picking up random guys, it would fit. But, she doesn't so.... I think we are suffering from the storylines of a male writer, who doesn't know these characters and thinks like a male, playing out some fantasy. I'm surprised they don't have Rory in belly shirts, low ride jeans, and stiletto heels. That would fit with an instant "intense" crush.

blaab · 01-08-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemon

I choose to generally not complain about the bad manners of fellow posters on this thread, I expect it.

Well, that seems like a pretty simple and easy solution to all this. I like it. I don't neccesarily expect bad manners, I tend to expect people to have the right intentions, so I mostly agree about the not complaining and all. It doesn't do anything ... why doesn't everybody just post how they want to post and well if it is offensive. Shrug your shoulders and move on, because all this talk about offensive and this group and that ship and whatever ... what an annoying posts to read (my problem, sure) ... and sure, I have posted about this also, am actually doing so right now, but those posts were/are even annoying to write. Why I bother I really don't know, because it is THAT annoying I guess ... makes me want to post about it, if that makes any sense

Just post how you want to post and what you think is the decent way. Focus on yourself and not on others ... and if others cross some line in your opinion, well again that apparantly is your line, not theirs. I guess we all have different lines. There is no point in stating, but you crossed MY line ... well since nobody here knows where the line is for everybody and I would think we all have our personal lines and yeah I am sure we ALL have the need to post in the way that fits ourselves best, different styles and all, accept it ... all the complaining says is that someone else crossed your line, YOUR line, not THE line, since that line is not around, or well there is one I guess that a mod can draw ... sure ...

And again this is just how I feel about it. Since I also stated anybody should post like they want to, I guess that pretty much opens up any response that says. But I want to complain ... sure, go ahead. I personally feel it get us all absolutely nowhere and well definitely doesn't lead to any speccing and all about this show ... and if you have doubts and you feel so offended, PM the poster and discuss this ... maybe the thread would become a little slower when people start doing this though

ETA this is my last annoying post about this subject for well as long as I can restrain myself I guess ...

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Originally Posted by Sandlynn

Not only that, she's got to get it into her head that compromise does not mean giving up. That it doesn't mean "I surrender". (I don't care who it is, Max, Chris, Jason, Luke, or any of the men she's been with.) And, opening yourself up does not mean that you totally lose yourself and you have no control. In fact, you're supposed to get stronger as a result. Not weaker.

I couldn't agree more!

lancer1993 · 01-08-2007, 03:28 PM

All I can say about the lack of Rory spoilers/SL is once DSR has finished screwing with Lorelai he'll move on to Rory, mark my words.

blaab · 01-08-2007, 03:31 PM

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All I can say about the lack of Rory spoilers/SL is once DSR has finished screwing with Lorelai he'll move on to Rory, mark my words.

Well, the one thing that does make me feel hopefull when it comes to this, is that even though Rory had her own moments of messy situations she created, I always felt she messed up less then her mom and is able to deal and learn more quickly ...

MickeyJr3000 · 01-08-2007, 03:36 PM

My spec on the weird French-esque people. My speculation is VERY outrageous, however. Bear in mind.

These people were hired for the C/L Marriage Party. In this episode, we will see a SOMEWHAT familiar scene (minus one major character, IMO, see ** at bottom) in which the crew will find out they will not be celebrating the party after all.

IMO, the C/L marriage will be slowly breaking up over the February sweep episodes. First, Lorelai has to wake up from her slumber. Then, she has to tell Christopher. Finally, she has to let it out to her parents about her broken marriage (not like this pattern hasn't happened already). My speculation is that, come 6.13, Emily will be displeased with Christopher but she will not know that the marriage is about to be over. She will continue with the party plans until she is told that the marriage is actually over, even though she has kind of changed her mind about Christopher, seeing as he is in fact an irresponsible man.

Lorelai will arrive during a scene where Emily is talking to waiters/party planners/etc, and tell her that the party is to be cancelled, as she and Christopher have decided to divorce. Lorelai, of course, will expect Emily to be either outraged, or say "I should have expected as much, you always ruin your chances of happiness Lorelai, you never listen." Or that Emily will be upset that she ended things with Christopher since Emily had always 'seen' him in high regard.

To Lorelai's surprise, Emily will have a different sort of reaction to the news of the divorce.

(She will either cancel the wedding party plans altogether or she will use the services to have one of her own parties or DAR conventions)

** The 'familiar' scene I am referring to occured in episode 7.08.

gilmorebrazil · 01-08-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandlynn (View Post)

Well, if she had a habit of going to bars and picking up random guys, it would fit. But, she doesn't so.... I think we are suffering from the storylines of a male writer, who doesn't know these characters and thinks like a male, playing out some fantasy. I'm surprised they don't have Rory in belly shirts, low ride jeans, and stiletto heels. That would fit with an instant "intense" crush.

You are right, Sandlynn, I didn't remember about that high school boy that Rory's was tutoring. DSR have been showing a weird obsession with Rory and crushs in general. First was the high school student, then Marty and his creepy behaviour and his undying fascination (ornate with Lucy's comment about him stalking her), then Logan brought up Rory's ability to attract odd crushs and now the TA. She seems a siren....That's tacky

Tara Ashley · 01-08-2007, 03:38 PM

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All I can say about the lack of Rory spoilers/SL is once DSR has finished screwing with Lorelai he'll move on to Rory, mark my words.

But, if this is the last season, how is there time to screw with Rory and then tie it all up in a pretty bow by the finale? If the writers wanted to do something huge with Rory, they should have set it up a few episodes ago. Instead, we're going to have the repercussions of the Marty SL and...? I'm just hoping this crush ends up bringing together a myriad of different elements in Rory's life. And maybe, somehow, addresses the question of her future. Maybe the TA helps her come up with some post-grad plans? Like becomes some sort of mentor?

If the writing improves in the latter half of the season, I'm going to really *hope* for an 8th season. It is much needed, IMO.

ETA: Mickey, I like your spec. It just pushes the wedding party back like two months, doesn't it? But I guess we never had a set date on it.

lemon tart · 01-08-2007, 03:39 PM

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I never meant to name call. I don't remember saying anything to you, specifically, but if I did, I apologize. Hurting people's feelings or making people uncomfortable were never my intentions, as they are the very things I spoke out against.

You didn't, me specifically. You did exactly what I've seen you complain about on a number of occasions here, painted with a broad brush about a particular group of posters. How we act, how we're percieved, etc. The reality is neither the Sophies nor the JJs on this thread are particularly nice. All sides can and are mean, personal, bitchy, argumentative, and at times downright nasty. There are few angels. And for anyone to act like they or a group of posters they associate with are being *victimized* by another group of poster is as ridiculous as the flopping that goes on at any NBA game. The ones crying victim are usually the first ones to dish it out about 10 minutes later. There are no victims on this thread.

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Again, I apologize. I'm not a mean person, promise.

Accepted. I'm not either, generally. This thread brings it out.

I have to say, I'm a bit disappointed that Chris isn't the one that ends it. That leaves the door open for something with him in the future. Which might be the point. I think the best thing would be for Lorelai to realize she made a mistake, but *suck it up* and own it, thus staying in the marriage. Then for Chris to realize a mistake was made as well, that Lorelai really does love Luke, differently and deeper than she loves him, and he decides to end it. I think that would have been best. And not made Lorelai look quite so bad.

**Katiegg108** · 01-08-2007, 03:43 PM

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I have to say, I'm a bit disappointed that Chris isn't the one that ends it. That leaves the door open for something with him in the future. Which might be the point. I think the best thing would be for Lorelai to realize she made a mistake, but *suck it up* and own it, thus staying in the marriage. Then for Chris to realize a mistake was made as well, that Lorelai really does love Luke, differently and deeper than she loves him, and he decides to end it. I think that would have been best. And not made Lorelai look quite so bad.

How would Lorelai staying in a marriage once she's realized its a mistake and that she doesn't love her husband as much as she should make her look any better than ending this herself? To me, that would make her look even more pathetic.

And IMO, Lorelai ending this is the only way for CL to truly be over. If not, and Chris had been the one to dump her, we'd never know if she wouldn't just run back to Chris, or if she was over Chris, etc. Chris needs to come to the conclusion that they're not meant to be also, so we can know that he won't try to win her back. But Lorelai ending it herself, to me, means that she's finally all out of anything with Chris ever. And she needs that, to be able to move on, to not run back to Chris, to make any future relationship work.

Mag13 · 01-08-2007, 03:47 PM

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I´m out, and waiting for the divorce....

Baby, It's Cold Outside!

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GILMORE GIRLS #265 01/08/07 JAM Aurora

Aurora could be an Italian, Spanish, Romanian, Finnish female name, but it's popular in France also (as Aurore or Aurora). Aurora Sand was granddaughter of George Sand, Frederic Chopin's friend!
So, I think, all the names (Aurora, Francette, and tha Maitre in Restaurant) could be French.
Stefan is an European name also (German, Belgian, Polish).
Logan friends from Europe? A meeting in a restaurant in Paris? Chris goes to France and meets Sherri?

lancer1993 · 01-08-2007, 03:50 PM

Mickey I disagree,

IMO the vows party would have been before xMas, unless Chris face is so messed up from the fisticuffs, that they delay it 'till after the holidays, so months later ep 7.15.

Okay I'm out for a while...