Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #132 ~ Where's the Love? - Page 8

Cappuccino · 01-07-2007, 02:25 PM

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OH give me a break, Sandlynn. You mean I cannot express the fact that I'd love Jess to return to the show because you think I want to incite Logan fans? This is the MT, not the Rory/Logan Shipper Thread. I like Jess and Rory scenes. I like Luke and Jess scenes. I'd love to see him back for his mom and for Luke and Lorelai's wedding. I'd even love him back for Rory's graduation. Sorry that makes you uncomfortable but it's not my job to make you all warm and fuzzy. So either ignore my Jess posts or get a thicker skin, cos I'm going to continue to say I like Jess.

And I don't think MV is the next John Barrymore. He's the next Robert DeNiro.

Thanks for the confirmation about Gigi, Nicolalala. Poor, poor child.

He's family

I'm not such a big fan of him but I like his scenes with Luke and he just has to be his best man but I guess this place is reserved for April now but it would be nice

SarahLovesLogan · 01-07-2007, 02:25 PM

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And I don't think MV is the next John Barrymore. He's the next Robert DeNiro.

Since Gigi is home, it makes me even more hopeful that Chris is the one that walks away. Because I can't see Lorelai coming across as sympathetic at all if she leaves not only her husband, but a child as well.

peachypeep · 01-07-2007, 02:29 PM

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OH give me a break, Sandlynn. You mean I cannot express the fact that I'd love Jess to return to the show because you think I want to incite Logan fans? This is the MT, not the Rory/Logan Shipper Thread. I like Jess and Rory scenes. I like Luke and Jess scenes. I'd love to see him back for his mom and for Luke and Lorelai's wedding.

Two of my top 10 GG scenes: the one with Luke and Jess after Liz' wedding, and the one with Luke and Jess in Jess's NYC "apartment."

El286 · 01-07-2007, 02:31 PM

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Since Gigi is home, it makes me even more hopeful that Chris is the one that walks away. Because I can't see Lorelai coming across as sympathetic at all if she leaves not only her husband, but a child as well.

I'm hoping this is what happens too. I know people will say, oh, Chris has walked away before and this time Lorelai should do it. But I think there's been walking away on both sides. He could sit down with Rory privately and tell her that things weren't working out with Lorelai, but that he would always be there for her--as opposed to just disappearing again.

If Chris doesn't end the relationship, or if the breakup isn't at least mutual, he's going to be badly hurt and I don't think he deserves that. If the breakup is more mutual both Chris and Lorelai can come out with some dignity and without utterly broken hearts.

catkirk7 · 01-07-2007, 02:35 PM

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catkirk, DR did say that Lorelai's actions would cause consequences for Rory, and this is what is happening. I think it stinks for Rory, I think it stinks for Gigi. But to tell you the truth, I sense an undercurrent of disapproval from Rory regarding her parents' marriage. I don't think she's buying it and I don't think she's going to be surprised when it ends. But this is on Lorelai and it's on Chris. I hope both of them work very hard to make amends to Rory following the breakup. Especially Chris, since he seemed to not take her feelings into consideration at any point during the elopement or the marriage.

The post you quoted was a clarification of an earlier post specifically about Rory's relationship with Chris. I was saying that Chris not knowing about Richard's illness would be better for Rory because I don't think their relationship is reparable if he knowingly ignores the fact that her grandfather is in the hospital seriously ill. And, as a Rory fan, I want her to be able to keep the relationship with Chris that has developed offscreen that she values.

This is a separate issue than if the relationship breaks up in such a way that the direct consequences hurt only Chris and Lorelai. Rory will still be hurt and there will still be issues but, with work, it's not inconceiveable that she and Chris could maintain a relationship. And if it leads to Rory finally having a real conversation with Chris about the past then so much the better.

But Chris not coming to the hospital when he has knowledge of Richard's condition is not just him being a bad husband. It's him being an unforgivable father.

Ciaobella · 01-07-2007, 02:39 PM

If Lorelai is unhappy, she shouldn't stay in this marriage because of her step child. But I do see her making the first move to end the marriage, with Chris finally giving in later in the season. I don't think he's going to give up without a fight - hence those add'l episodes for DS. But he has to realize she doesn't love him, and I would hope he has enough dignity and responsibilty to his daughterS to know when it's over for good and not to prolong the inevitable. That would only make it more painful for everyone involved.

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The post you quoted was a clarification of an earlier post specifically about Rory's relationship with Chris. I was saying that Chris not knowing about Richard's illness would be better for Rory because I don't think their relationship is reparable if he knowingly ignores the fact that her grandfather is in the hospital seriously ill. And, as a Rory fan, I want her to be able to keep the relationship with Chris that has developed offscreen that she values.

This is a separate issue than if the relationship breaks up in such a way that the direct consequences hurt only Chris and Lorelai. Rory will still be hurt and there will still be issues but, with work, it's not inconceiveable that she and Chris could maintain a relationship. And if it leads to Rory finally having a real conversation with Chris about the past then so much the better.

But Chris not coming to the hospital when he has knowledge of Richard's condition is not just him being a bad husband. It's him being an unforgivable father.

catkirk, IA if he ignores Rory and Lorelai during Richard's crisis, it would be an unforgivable act as a father. But I wonder if Chris HAS to reach bottom, has to do something so blatantly negligent before he realizes he has alot to ammend with Rory. It may force them to confront and finally resolve their issues. He's already starting to get a clue about what he's missed, but his behaviour hasn't really shown that he "knows" his daughter now or is sensitive to her feelings.

Cappuccino · 01-07-2007, 02:42 PM

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I'm hoping this is what happens too. I know people will say, oh, Chris has walked away before and this time Lorelai should do it. But I think there's been walking away on both sides. He could sit down with Rory privately and tell her that things weren't working out with Lorelai, but that he would always be there for her--as opposed to just disappearing again.

If Chris doesn't end the relationship, or if the breakup isn't at least mutual, he's going to be badly hurt and I don't think he deserves that. If the breakup is more mutual both Chris and Lorelai can come out with some dignity and without utterly broken hearts.

But where is the drama in that ? And the whole build up they did already and with what we know will come - it's going to be ugly on both sides and knowing Chris and his past he will poop the bigger and nastier pile.

MickeyJr3000 · 01-07-2007, 02:45 PM

Actually, MV isn't the next (J) Barrymore nor the next De Niro. He's the next Sylvester Stallone.

I LOVE Jess and Jess/Luke scenes. Man was that a terrific obstacle that ASP invented in season two. The Jess/Luke relationship was a terrific seasons-long story arc.

But I love Logan too. AHHH!!!

Meh. I'll probably be the craziest person on the planet, but my preference would be that Jess/Rory remain good friends. And when/if Rory marries Logan, Jess will be invited to the wedding.

lancer1993 · 01-07-2007, 02:58 PM

IMO by the simple fact (according to MA) that Lorelai can't contact him shows he is either and idiot and ignoring "Richard is sick" which is most likely the message she sent, text or voice mail. No I hate Chris but I don't want him to do that. The other option which is much better is he doesn't know and just ignoring any message from Lorelai and not reading it. Like Rory did with Lorelai in ep 8.

Mag13 · 01-07-2007, 03:06 PM

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@Nicolala - If you're still around do you know if Chris is in Paris over the holidays and brings Gigi back with him or who brings her back to Stars Hollow ?

The description of 7.11 says:

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TheCW: LORELAI MAKES CHRISTMAS WAIT FOR RORY'S RETURN -- Rather than celebrating Christmas while Rory (Alexis Bledel) is in London over the holidays, Lorelai (Lauren Graham) and Christopher (David Sutcliffe) decide to put their holidays on hold.

It confirms, Chris stays in Stars Hollow.
Is it possible, it's Rory, who brings Gigi? London-Paris.....

Ciaobella · 01-07-2007, 03:09 PM

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IMO by the simple fact (according to MA) that Lorelai can't contact him shows he is either and idiot and ignoring "Richard is sick" which is most likely the message she sent, text or voice mail. No I hate Chris but I don't want him to do that. The other option which is much better is he doesn't know and just ignoring any message from Lorelai and not reading it. Like Rory did with Lorelai in ep 8.

Well MA did describe Chris as "choosing to sulk" while Richard is ill, and then later said his behavior proved to Lorelai that "he was still immature." I can't believe he would sink that low either, but who knows.

And I wanted to confirm (because I was just told) that Loreali indeed initiates the End of Our National Nightmare. Otherwise known as her marriage to Christopher. It's not a mutual decision.

That is a spoiler.

Mag13 · 01-07-2007, 03:15 PM

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And I wanted to confirm (because I was just told) that Loreali indeed initiates the End of Our National Nightmare. Otherwise known as her marriage to Christopher. It's not a mutual decision.
That is a spoiler.

"You went modern", said Miss Patty.....
Thanks for the news.

lancer1993 · 01-07-2007, 03:18 PM

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Well MA did describe Chris as "choosing to sulk" while Richard is ill, and then later said his behavior proved to Lorelai that "he was still immature." I can't believe he would sink that low either, but who knows.

And I wanted to confirm (because I was just told) that Loreali indeed initiates the End of Our National Nightmare. Otherwise known as her marriage to Christopher. It's not a mutual decision.

That is a spoiler.

Is it Christmas again

Thank you for that.

MickeyJr3000 · 01-07-2007, 03:20 PM

Spoiler leads to questions.

Does it happen within any of the episodes already filmed?!
Or is the time of the breakup unknown?

I am still feeling as though the legality of the marriage is still up in the air.

Cappuccino · 01-07-2007, 03:22 PM

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Well MA did describe Chris as "choosing to sulk" while Richard is ill, and then later said his behavior proved to Lorelai that "he was still immature." I can't believe he would sink that low either, but who knows.

And I wanted to confirm (because I was just told) that Loreali indeed initiates the End of Our National Nightmare. Otherwise known as her marriage to Christopher. It's not a mutual decision.

That is a spoiler.

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Of course it's Lorelai who ends this experiment - never thought otherwise

Thanks Ciao