Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #132 ~ Where's the Love? - Page 4

TheJSW · 01-07-2007, 11:07 AM

Yes...thanks...CAF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mr. Sulu...give me shields. "Shields up, Admiral." Chekov, load Photon Torpedoes. "Torpedoes loaded, Admiral." FIREEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's another bit of business. Rory and Chris both share the same problem. What's that problem? Fans. Fans have both taken the father and the daughter, and saddled them with more baggage then a Wookie with problems.

Tara Ashley · 01-07-2007, 11:10 AM

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Nevertheless, I love Rory as a character. She is not a plot device to me. I do not need her to be my AVATAR or the reflection of my OWN EXPERIENCES. I do not need her to be a PAWN, KNIGHT, or ROOK in the CHESS GAME that has become her mother's love life. I do not need her to fulfill some notion from SEASON ONE that does not represent SEASON SEVEN Rory Gilmore. I want the character to do what the character needs to do. Via the places the writer's have taken the character.

ITA- and I'm a JJ. Just wanted to throw that out there, because the JJ generalizations upset me sometimes. I can't speak for anyone else, but I love Rory, love Rory and Logan, and would love for her to have a substantial SL. Don't group me

ETA: Yes, change my vote. Thank you!

pimbolina · 01-07-2007, 11:16 AM

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I don't understand comparing anyone to anyone else at all - everyone is unique.

ITA

Though, I have to disagree with you on the next part.

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Especially Rory and Lorelai - their upbringing was so different. Rory always had a mom who supported her dreams and listended to her and treated her opinions with respect. Lorelai unfortunately had parents who had a game plan for how things should transpire regardless of what Lorelai wanted or desired.

In this case I would say like mother, like daughter. Emily and Lorelai both wanted to have a say in their daughters life, Lorelai just was lucky that Rory was such an easygoing child, she wasn’t so rebellious as Lorelai. Rory mostly accepted the things her mother wanted for her.

TheJSW · 01-07-2007, 11:22 AM

Tara, while I did refer to JJ's and LL's in that post. What you site was what it's about to me. I see many fan of this show use Rory as a plot device and not as a MAIN CHARACTER. So, I am not grouping anyone in, but make a statement about some of the fanbase. Wow. I have a concophony of bird noises coming from outside. At least they are in the courtyard, and not ****ting on my car.

funnyfriend · 01-07-2007, 11:28 AM

Given the facts, I don't see any marriage this season for L/L or R/L.

I think Rory needs to figure it out what she wants in her professional life and then how she can handle this with her relationship, even if R/L get engage I think Logan will give her the time and space to give her first steps out of college before getting married.

In the case of L/L I think they have to reconstruct their relationship from the begining and try to make it work in a mature way before thinking in getting married or even getting Lorelai pregnant.

Of course the writers can decide to marry one or both of the couples (who knows what are they thinking) so if there is a s8 we will see how they deal with all of this.

And for those who think that working in your family business makes you insignificant compared to those who have to look for a job, I want to say that I know both kind of people and I must say there is no difference because in both cases people is exposed to failure if they don't have the qualifications to the job that have been given.

Even worst, when you are in a family business where your parent is succesful the preasure is worst because the family expects you to be the same or even better, otherwise you will be put aside in some forgetable corner of the company-

I will agree for Logan to find his own work if he hadn't enjoy the family business, but he likes it enough to wake up at 7 A.M and go to sleep a 3 A.M as he said and seems to be very capable of handle the business in his own terms.

damselfly · 01-07-2007, 11:29 AM

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I do not need her to fulfill some notion from SEASON ONE that does not represent SEASON SEVEN Rory Gilmore.

To me it does represent her. Part of the show's canon is that Rory wanted to go to a prep school to increase her chances of attending an Ivy League university, and boost her chances of becoming a top-notch journalist. Over 6 years, we've watched her strive to achieve that, and now in season 7, she's has to decide which career path to choose. Unless you're referring to a different notion.

Rory's story has not only been about family and her love life, those are just 2 components of it. The other has been about her goals -- her aspirations -- career-wise. I think they've all been given equal importance over the last 6 1/2 seasons.

As far as what Rory will end up doing, there have been a few hints that writing is her forte.

xmonalpx · 01-07-2007, 11:54 AM

Why has AA turned his back on GG? This is ridiculous!

I'm seeing a less and less chance of an eight season to get my JJ dream to come true.

RORY: I think that her love of reading, talent in writing, and problem solving will lead her to something different than foreign correspondant.

lancer1993 · 01-07-2007, 12:05 PM

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So you can't be a responsible parent unless you have a cell phone with you at all times? What about people that can't afford a cell phone? Are they irresponsible leaving their child with a babysitter to go out for dinner?

It's also not OK to FORGET your phone at home? My goodness you have high standards for parents to live up to.

I think it comes down to the individual, it would be OOC for Lorelai not to be in contact but for Luke it would not since one used a cell phone for years and the other only in the last year, this applies to everyone.

As for Chris we don't know, we do how every know he is hurt by the letter so wants some alone time and doesn't want to talk to Lorelai, maybe Rory or Emily does try later (on their phone's) and gets through and he does show up late, we really don't know that part yet. All we know is Lorelai tries to call Chris and can't get a hold of him for what ever reason and while the sounds like "C" in the poll to me, for others it doesn't.

FuzzyCerts · 01-07-2007, 12:08 PM

They started shooting 7.14, so, will we get the divorce/annulment/not legal spoiler ??? Cause IMO Lorelai will want a divorce/annulment right after her epiphany.....

Sandlynn · 01-07-2007, 12:12 PM

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Well at graduation she had part of her SH family there, including Luke who wanted to be there. As for the 21st she was still fighting with Lorelai so it only made sense to have the party in the mansion but even then her SH friends were there, again including Luke who again wanted to be there even is he felt uncomfortable with Emily.

Luke was not invited to Rory's 21st birthday party, as someone already pointed out, and I'm wondering if Luke got Chris' ticket to the Chilton event. After all, these students can have only so many people there. That being said, the history of this show has told us that Rory doesn't have the same feelings and attachments to SH that Lorelai has. She's not going to dump Logan on the basis of what Miss Patty or Babette feels about him. She certainly didn't dump him based on what Lorelai or -- more significantly if we're talking about people from SH -- Luke feels about him. Could that be because Rory actually loves him and no one else's opinion matters?

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And the world as we know it will come to an end if that happens ? The small difference here is she will marry Luke - pregnant or not. It doesn't matter because they both will know what they want and what they need - each other and if they can add a little bundle of joy to it - even better.

Well, they are "in their 40's." Are they less responsible sexually than the "youngsters"? If this happened, this would be the second time for the both of them.

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I agree, as long as Lorelai is in a committed relationship then I don't care if she is pregnant before or after they marry, I'm betting Emily would not be thinking the same

I would agree with the latter. Emily would wonder if Lorelai has a brain at all. Actually, *I* would be wondering that.

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If Rory would get pregnant now, she would be completely freaked out, just like Lane and Zach. Just remember how she behaved around Sookie when she was pregnant.

Rory wasn't the issue we were talking about.

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Btw, is Rory ever going to pay her grandparents back for Yale , before Chris payed for it, or did Chris pay them back completely, not that Emily would be thrilled about this.

She hasn't even graduated yet. I'd say hold your horses.

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I'm still wondering if Lorelai will get any of what should be "their" money now, IMO no pre-nup means she should get something out of this.

I would consider it the height of moxie (and that's a pleasant term for it) for Lorelai to go after Chris' money after treating him like an embarrassment.

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I was wondering when someone would have to throw L/L into this debate about R/L.

No I wouldn't make this same argument about L/L. These are two very different couples, twenty years apart and at very different places in their lives.

Oh. Convenient. The difference is Rory and Logan are *in* a relationship, unlike L&L. They successfully managed their relationship like adults, unlike L&L. They know how to compromise and communicate with each other, unlike L&L, so of course R&L must break-up. Obviously, they are so much less capable when it comes to this whole love business than L&L. Really, this is amusing.

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If the phone is on and he sees it is Lorelai and chooses not to answer because he's angry, again - how does he know something bad hasn't happened? Especially if there are more than a few messages. Unless he has left the house without his phone - and even then I can't think of how this looks even remotely okay for Chris.

Well, unfortunately, Chris doesn't get the spoilers that we do, so he can't know that the one time he's not answering his phone is the one time Lorelai needs him ... rather than her telling him how much everyone won't accept him or she can't compromise with him because she's so extremely self-centered and really isn't "all in" regarding this whole marriage business.

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As to Rory's discussion with the Chilton dean - she was 15 years old - lots of people at that age have no clue about what they want to do with their lives at that age; but, in fact, Rory seemed to figure out in high school what profession she wanted to pursue - some people don't get that down in their first few years of college.

Or, at least *Lorelai* knew what "Rory" wanted to do.

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I was wondering the same thing. I agree. These are all very different couples. I don't look at them all the same. Plus, if I had a dollar for every person I knew in college who thought they were going to marry someone and then didn't, I'd be a rich woman.

Well, if I had a dollar for everytime Lorelai thought she was going to marry someone and reneged, I'd have almost three dollars.

In any event, we're not talking about everyone someone ever knew in college. We're talking about this specific couple who, at least, some of us know who don't fast-forward through their scenes.

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Not if you are hoping agst hope that he says Yes .

I guess we're not turning over a new leaf in this thread after all.Where are those people who are always complaining about people putting out red meat and waving red flags to cause disputes? Are they sleeping? (Yes, I know you would hope Jess would come back to cause maximum fan unhappiness to those you dislike. Oh ... and because he's the next John Barrymore.)

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As far as what Rory will end up doing, there have been a few hints that writing is her forte.

And, of course, some people will say she can't write if she's with Logan, because being with him will cause instant paralysis or her fingers will fall off and she won't be able to type on her computer.

SarahLovesLogan · 01-07-2007, 12:13 PM

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And for those who think that working in your family business makes you insignificant compared to those who have to look for a job, I want to say that I know both kind of people and I must say there is no difference because in both cases people is exposed to failure if they don't have the qualifications to the job that have been given.

Even worst, when you are in a family business where your parent is succesful the preasure is worst because the family expects you to be the same or even better, otherwise you will be put aside in some forgetable corner of the company.

Also, from personal experience, I can tell you that as a family member in a family company, they can be HARDER on you then the other employees. Whether it's because they know you more and what you are capable of, want to make an example of you, or it's just easier to tell family when they are doing something wrong, it happens.

There's definite advantages too, like job security and stability, but I think, like you said, it all evens out in the end.

lancer1993 · 01-07-2007, 12:23 PM

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I would consider it the height of moxie (and that's a pleasant term for it) for Lorelai to go after Chris' money after treating him like an embarrassment.

I don't think she would go after THEIR money I'm talking about what she would be legally entitled to by CT law. I would bet she would not want a cent from Chris.

damselfly · 01-07-2007, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandlynn

Well, unfortunately, Chris doesn't get the spoilers that we do, so he can't know that the one time he's not answering his phone is the one time Lorelai needs him

What do spoilers have to do with it? Sounds like she tries to reach him several times, and presumably leaves messages. Whether he chooses to answer or not, you'd think at some point he'd get a clue and at least listen to his messages. It seems reasonable Rory would try calling him too.

I wonder what Rory's reaction to this will be.

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Originally Posted by sarahloveslogan

So you can't be a responsible parent unless you have a cell phone with you at all times? What about people that can't afford a cell phone? Are they irresponsible leaving their child with a babysitter to go out for dinner?

It's also not OK to FORGET your phone at home? My goodness you have high standards for parents to live up to.

Most parents would make sure somebody knows where they are in case they need to be reached, or would check in periodically to make sure everything's ok.

SarahLovesLogan · 01-07-2007, 12:39 PM

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Most parents would make sure somebody knows where they are in case they need to be reached, or would check in periodically to make sure everything's ok.

OK, well, since we're talking about Chris here, I think you're being a bit too harsh on his parenting skills. Rory is an adult now, and GiGi is in Paris with her MOTHER. Lorelai is the one that can't reach him, not a child in distress.

lancer1993 · 01-07-2007, 12:46 PM

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OK, well, since we're talking about Chris here, I think you're being a bit too harsh on his parenting skills. Rory is an adult now, and GiGi is in Paris with her MOTHER. Lorelai is the one that can't reach him, not a child in distress.

And I seem to remember just a few eps ago someone with the name Lorelai didn't answer her phone 'cause she was pissed her parents eloped! and what was Lorelai's motto about answering her mothers calls!

Seems to run in the family maybe C&L do belong together LOL