Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #132 ~ Where's the Love? - Page 19

GEORGEIII · 01-07-2007, 06:44 PM

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As far as I know, neither of those things happen.

Thank you for that spoiler, since it sorta kinda confirms Genki's "they will be ok at the end" spoiler. I just knew people had/have spoilers they weren't spilling! (possibly because they had/have not been "cleared" for release by the sources.)

mitten07 · 01-07-2007, 06:46 PM

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Rules of the Spoiler Thread, as listed on the First Post:

I'm enjoying spoilers that make me happy and make my friends happy. Do you ever see my name on any of Craig's Polls? No. Because that would be pretty crappy of me to put my name down officially on a Spec Poll if I knew the truth. And I think I've shown considerable restraint when debating posts speccing about Chris walking away from Lorelai, etc. At times I wished I could post the spoilers, because it didn't seem right to have people continue being convinced otherwise.

You quoted it, but did you read it?

colorblind · 01-07-2007, 06:46 PM

Jason i have a question: do you blame only lorelai for this situation she's in or do you blame chris too?
i think that all three of them, lorelai. chris and luke are to blame. luke screw up by whole april thing, lorelai screw up by not saying what's bothering her, sleeping with chris and marrying him, and chris by not being able to keep his pants on around her AGAIN.

on the matter that lorelai is never blamed for anything and that she's always a victim, that's partly true. but i think that chris is not any different then her. he screwed up sooo many times in the past, and a lot of people don't blame him for any of it.

so yeah, i think lorelai should be single for some time, see what she wants to do with her life, admit to herself that she made a mistake, then LL can be together.

El286 · 01-07-2007, 06:47 PM

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I would be more sympathetic to her if she tried at all to make it work, like Chris tried. She never did. So, I find her sudden need to exit stage left, more of a farce than anything. I loved that date she went on with Luke in WITS. Really liked it, but now, I feel like I don't care about this couple because I can't feel sympathy for two people who are are so incapable of *really* giving of themselves to a partner. They are emotionally crippled people who drag others into their disaster zone. Well, Lorelai does. Luke is too much of a loner to drag anyone with him, although April may be a candidate.

I very much agree. Because if Lorelai has some sort of epiphany like--"What have I done, I'm not in love with Chris, I just thought I was," what we've seen thus far of her behaviour during the marriage can be attributed to this. That Lorelai really wasn't "all in" and wasn't really trying because her heart wasn't in it. Maybe she couldn't help her lack of passionate love for Chris, but why does it have to take dating and an elopement and a couple of months of marriage to get her to figure that out? While in the mean time, Chris is trying to be a good husband and is starting to run around frantic because no matter what he does, Lorelai doesn't show the same amount of enthusiasm for their marriage.

I also agree with your feelings on Luke and Lorelai. I don't think they should be a couple again. Ever. I believe the spoilers on Lorelai facing consequences and all that, I'm sure she will spend a while crying and feeling bad because she is getting divorced and she thinks she lost Luke, her one true love, forever. And she'll probably have to work pretty hard to get Luke back. But their reconciliation is still going to happen, and happen pretty fast--just because there won't be much time left in the season.

Remember Gone With the Wind--how Scarlett thought she was in love with Ashley and kept pining away for him, until finally she has an opportunity to be with him, and she wakes up and realizes it was all a delusion and it's Rhett she really loved all along? This is how Lorelai is beginning to seem. Now, finally, she's going to realize that Christopher was just some fantasy in her mind and it's Luke she's loved all along. But why, at this point, should Luke ever take her back? The ending of Gone With the Wind might have been tragic, but it was no better than Scarlett deserved.

Scarlett was a compelling character and so is Lorelai, but both of them have made such bad decisions in love that they honestly don't deserve their "true love." I'm pretty sure Lorelai will get hers, and I know people will still enjoy it just because it's Luke and Lorelai they want, but I really think the writers inadvertently got themselves into such a mess with Lorelai, Christopher and Luke that there isn't any truly believable or satisfying way to get Luke and Lorelai back together now.

GEORGEIII · 01-07-2007, 06:48 PM

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what part of "It's Just a Crush" don't you understand?

I think it means "looky, no touchy." Which is usually what my wife says when I go off on one of my predictable panegyrics in admiration for KAB.

psunyy28 · 01-07-2007, 06:48 PM

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Is this a contest? Does the person who gets the most specs correct win a prize? The fact that Lorelai is the one who ends the marriage is not rocket science. Alot of people here specced it.

We both know this isn't the first time you've read the minds of the writers.

TheJSW · 01-07-2007, 06:49 PM

Sara, thanks for your spoilers. Damselfly, see? Never doubt the big dawg's nose...WOOF WOOF! Catkirk, exactly. **** Rory. **** her in her big stupid head. She's as stupid as her stupid asshat of a mother. They are both leeches that suck the LIFE out better men than each of them ever deserve. Apparently, if it were not for their lips being coated with some venom, that made them irresistable. These two would have more cats then me, and that's a lot of cats!

ETA: What part of TRIFFLIN BULL****, do you not understand? It's bull****. Plain and simple. Sandlynn had this pegged. The writers have no idea what to do with Rory. Sine KAB does not spend her days grease their asses up with lubes and ideas. Lauren gets what she wants. Kim gets to be a part of something that's about as stupid as changing the NBA ball MID-SEASON. I am editing the first part of this post for a reason. The reason being; Bella you are starting beefs by doing what you are doing. You may have to respect your source or what not. Good for them and you. However, you are in a speculation thread as much as a spoiler thread, and you have SPOILERS. Franzi apparently has a FINALE SPOILER. I am not supposed to feel weird about that? Really? You really expect too much from people. Since it makes it pointless to have any debate with you about anything because YOU KNOW THE ANSWERS. How you would think that this was NOT WEIRD, is beyond me. How you would let people discuss the TA spoiler without illimunating...is beyond me. Good for you, your source, and your people. However, please, do not expect me to be overjoyed with you ****ING WITH ME FOR MONTHS. I am enraged at this moment. ENRAGED.

leonana · 01-07-2007, 06:51 PM

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Okay, so Lorelai initiates this break-up. I can see why those of you who hated the L/C relationship think this is a good spoiler. Lorelai is putting Chris out of her life once and for all, and she's admitting she made a bad decision in marrying him. But...

I totally agree with everyone who says that this makes Lorelai unlikeable.

Some of you think this is an appropriate "punishment" for Lorelai's actions. But is it? She ends her marriage to Christopher without having Luke to run back to. She might be single for all of--a few months! Because really, there's only about a 0.1% chance that Luke and Lorelai aren't going to end up together by May. Sure, Lorelai doesn't know that when she ends things with Chris. But Luke is guaranteed to take her back pretty soon.

I agree with those who've said that Lorelai shouldn't have to stay in a marriage where she is very unhappy. But, as some of you have said, this realization of unhappiness seems to have begun already with the look on her face when she came home from Paris. In which case, all the weird behaviour she's been demonstrating since her marriage is due to the fact that she's not happy with her marriage. Sure, maybe she was in denial, maybe she convinced herself it would work, but it just makes Lorelai look incredibly dumb. I'm not saying I hate Lorelai. I don't think the writers intentionally wanted to make her look bad. They just wanted to get her married and divorced with Chris and had no clue how foolish and utterly unlikeable this would make her appear.

If she's made a mistake, then it's best for Lorelai to speak up sooner than later. But I'm going to feel pretty bad for Chris. We all know, even if Lorelai doesn't, that her "true love" is going to take her back in a little while. Chris, on the other hand? He appears to have been used. I'm absolutely not saying Lorelai did this intentionally, but by ignoring her doubts all the way through--by not putting any thought into how her actions would affect anyone except herself--it amounts to the same thing. From my perspective, except maybe in Partings which was a mutual kind of thing, Chris has not taken advantage of Lorelai in any way. He has simply stated that he is available, he loves her and wants to be with her very badly, and Lorelai has responded to him every step of the way. If she goes to Chris and admits, "I made a mistake, I'm not "in love" with you as I thought I was", it may be the best way of dealing with a very very messy mistake, but it's also confirming that throughout the whole first half of the season, Lorelai never acknowledged her doubts or seriously recognized the consequences of her actions. Which makes her look very, very pathetic and foolish.

ITA with your post. It does make her look pathetic and foolish.

This is really interesting. For many LL supporters, especially on TwoP, Lorelai's character was damaged when she first married Chris, because they never believed she loved him. However, I'm seeing that there are posters here that thought she did really love Chris? And now her character is ruined since she is leaving him?

Even though I am an L/L shipper, I first realized she was a nutjob when she married Chris. I want her with Luke because I love SP, and this is the Gilmore Girls. If I want to see him in a relationship on this show, it has to be with Lorelai. So I'm all ready to forgive her, lol. IMO, her character will be redeemed by leaving Chris, because she is acknowledging her mistake and trying to make things right. I have always felt somewhat sorry for Chris, although he should have some kind of a clue, if I as a viewer could see it.

The only way I could see her staying with Chris as being the correct decision is if you are looking at it the traditional way, where you make a marriage work no matter what, because it is a commitment.

I have to thank everyone for the posts/debates. This is more entertaining than the show. I wish the writers were half as funny!

Ciaobella · 01-07-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GEORGEIII (View Post)

I think it means "looky, no touchy." Which is usually what my wife says when I go off on one of my predictable panegyrics in admiration for KAB.

Ditto for my MV and SP crush. Or in our case, it's "hopelessy and foolishly looky".

gilmorebrazil · 01-07-2007, 06:54 PM

So Rory will have a "crush" on her TA in the same episode we see Logan (7.14) and they don't break up??? Ah, George, I'm so back at your train

lancer1993 · 01-07-2007, 06:54 PM

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"that even I knew about it?"

what is that supposed to mean? just because I live in germany doesnt mean I have no sources. Dude I got to know how the season will end one week before it even had started.

and just because we know stuff doenst mean we're allowed to spill it. We have to get permission and confirmation before we can share things. live with it!

ETA: sorry I dont wanna tease. I never did. I'm quiet again. When I'm allowed to tell anything I'll let you know. or well maybe not since people who bring spoiler over get attacted. night @ all

WOW that must have been hard to live with for so long!

Night

With the heated debate here it's no wonder spoilers get posted else where first some times when they have to face that crap from some posters.

I take all spoilers with a grain of salt (no offence to Ciaobella or Saranoh) but untill the ep airs things can change as Nadine has said in the past.

damselfly · 01-07-2007, 06:55 PM

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Damselfly, see? Never doubt the big dawg's nose...WOOF WOOF!

Huh? Go Dawgs!

Ya know...if Ciaobella really wanted to mess with y'all, she could've left off the "It's just a crush" bit.

What's with shooting the messenger anyway?

And what's with vilifying Lorelai before we even see how the next 3 episodes play out?

MickeyJr3000 · 01-07-2007, 06:56 PM

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Ok. I will.

Rory will have an intense crush on her TA, of the romantic kind. Not just an academic one.

But it's just a crush.

Don't say I never gave you anything Jason.

Oy, the horror. Actually, if it's 'just a crush,' I'm not too upset. It's what I speculated in the first place. After all, it is not uncommon to have 'crushes' of the romantic/sexual kind towards a person who you feel is attractive. Not that you see anything come out of it, and you probably know that nothing comes out of it in the first place...harmless crush. I hope.

That said, this kind of storyline for Rory just feels bland...it's lacking substance, or depth, or any of that good stuff that we're looking for. It reminds me, sadly, of Lorelai's 'love' journey that she took in season three...the attraction to 'Max' and the kiss (and then her implying that Alex was over and done with since she kissed Max). I don't know why it reminds me of this since I don't see Logan/Rory break up or have any major complications from this story. It just feels as though Rory's going to think "Hey, I like my TA...does that mean I don't like Logan anymore? What's wrong with me?" or "Why am I having sexual fantasies about my TA...? I know I'll never act on them, but why are they happening??"

Nowadays, I am unable to see Jason's post directly, however quoting does not get blocked. And I wanted to respond to just this:

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Sara, I fear that what you think is [Lorelai's] learning. Will not even come close to satisfying me.

For a while, this has been my sentiment as well. And despite the positive spoilers that we have gotten today, I won't be surprised if tomorrow, I am thinking on a similar wavelength. That this 'revelation' that we are expecting to see will not quite cut it for viewers...that it sounds better in its theory, than how it will actually turn out on screen. I hope I won't be disappointed, but Jason, if you can possibly help me, I would like to find a way to find my skepticism again. I am excited now because of the rush of positive spoilers, but I don't want to be so happy and excited nor believe that it's all we've ever hoped for. Because DR could, for all purposes, make Lorelai just as unsympathetic and unredeemable as she has been in the past (two) seasons. And when I say worst, I mean worst than her 'Tough Love' silent treatment that she gave Rory last year, and I contend that that was pretty crappy mothering in the first place.

damselfly · 01-07-2007, 06:58 PM

Title suggestion for the next thread:

They Shoot Sources Don't They?

Ciaobella · 01-07-2007, 06:59 PM

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We both know this isn't the first time you've read the minds of the writers.

Well then I guess that means I am on the list of Heroes. I can read minds!

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That, my friend, is brilliant. It's got my vote.