Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #132 ~ Where's the Love? - Page 17

Saranoh · 01-07-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ciaobella (View Post)

Ok. I will.

Rory will have an intense crush on her TA, of the romantic kind. Not just an academic one.

But it's just a crush.

Don't say I never gave you anything Jason.

I'll confirm that.

ETA: And I'll say again that Lorelai's decision to break-up with Chris has to do with more than just his bratty behavior.

leonana · 01-07-2007, 06:14 PM

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DSR said that Richard illness should bring all Gilmore's closer. So I wonder if Lorelai's epiphany also includes the way she sees her parents. If Richard has a slow recovery, I would love to see her acting as a caring daughter and focused on her parents needs for a couple episodes. And I think it could also help her relationship with Rory after her irresponsible marriage to Christopher fails. Besides, EH, KB and LG usually make great scenes together.

I would absolutely love, love, love to see that. I thnk it would go far to redeeming Lorelai as a character, at least in my eyes.

TheJSW · 01-07-2007, 06:14 PM

Unless someone is AIMing you this as this happens. Again, you had a spoiler, and kept it to yourself. As my mom would say about a situation such as this (Seriously, she would. I'm not kidding); "As the mother is a whore. The daughter is a whore." Whole lot of WHORIN goin on with the Lorelais. May Logan

Bobby over a desk...and like it! ETA: Apparently, Logan, should be the one running away from this ****ed up Gilmore Family! Run LOGAN! RUN! If they try to suck out your brain! Make a witty pop-culture reference! It will stop them in their tracks! Let us not forget that YOU BOTH KNEW A SPOILER. Is there anything else you would like to share with the thread? Or should we start the loathing and distrust...now?

damselfly · 01-07-2007, 06:15 PM

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Nice of every JJ/LL to be a spoiler source. That right there is ANIMOSITY personified.

Damselfly, that's not what I stated. That aside, I will state this emphatically about Rory and Logan spoilers not being available...A BULL...A ****. There are spoilers, but no one cares about Rory and Logan.

Sorry, guess I misread that. At any rate -- you say there are spoilers, but no-one cares about Rory and Logan? What about RL fans who have posted spoilers here before? Are you saying their spoiler sources don't care about RL?

afrayedknot · 01-07-2007, 06:16 PM

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You know what would be nice? If you respected both your friends and the rules of this board. You're not allowed to share those spoilers, but you feel free to spoiler-tease them. Why? I'm guessing because they support what you've wanted all along and you want to gloat. If you can't share a spoiler, then don't share the spoiler at all. Just my opinion, though

Exactly where has the spoiler teasing been though? Ciaobella shared the spoiler as soon as her source felt it was okay for her to do so. Before that time, did she ever say that she had spoilers to share but wouldn't? No. The only reason she said so there was in reply to another post about the matter. I see no teasing there.

TheJSW guess what? Ciaobella or any other spoiler source is under absolutely no obligation to share spoilers. Just because you know a spoiler doesn't mean to have to share it. You just have to not tease others about said knowledge. Did Ciaobella do any teasing prior to posting that spoiler today? Not that I know of.

Ciaobella · 01-07-2007, 06:18 PM

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You know what would be nice? If you respected both your friends and the rules of this board. You're not allowed to share those spoilers, but you feel free to spoiler-tease them. Why? I'm guessing because they support what you've wanted all along and you want to gloat. If you can't share a spoiler, then don't share the spoiler at all. Just my opinion, though.

When do I spoiler tease? My sig reflects what MA published on his site. And my opinions always refected that. Just because I get confirmation that it is true? Am I supposed to lie and say I don't believe MA or post opinions that are phony so I don't "tease"?

So just because I am happy that all the previously released spoilers are TRUE, and not foilers or misinformation, I'm GLOATING?

Again, me or anyone else who post spoilers have their hands tied. We can only post spoilers if our sources say it's ok, or else we and THEY are screwed. I can't hide my optomism if I know some things are going to happen, and I won't FAKE or LIE about it either.

eta: Thank you afrayedknot. I said this last year, but there used to be ALOT of spoiler sources on this board. No wonder most of them left.

mitten07 · 01-07-2007, 06:20 PM

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That’s interesting then that Lorelai leaves Gigi at home alone with Christopher while she goes shopping with Rory. Now that they are one big happy family, shouldn’t Lorelai be including Gigi in their girls’ shopping spree? Wouldn’t Gigi prefer to go shopping than stay at home, unless she returns after Lorelai and Rory goes shopping.

Just wondering if you have kids?!

What is Gigi, five? It is definitely more fun to shop without a five year old. Also, perhaps they were shopping for Gigi.

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So, if enough LL's discuss a part of the show, then a spoiler will miraculously appear during that discussion? How quaint. And you WONDER why a portion of fans in this thread have a problem with a GROUP of fans (See? Portion and Group are two different things. You know what I get sick of? "I LOVE RORY!" Two minutes later; "I wonder what part Rory will play as a PLOT DEVICE in the entire LLC thing?"). Can I get an miraculous answer as to if Logan appears in episode 11? If anyone can use their powers of divining to conjure that up. It would be appreciated.

Finally, about the MIRACLE SPOILER FROM MOUNT SICILY IN PHILLY, Lorelai ends it? What a ****ing *******. ETA: I agree with Sandlynn's freaking MESS comments. This is pathetic. If she could be less of an asshat, and more of a grown-up. This might never have happened. Yet, in some INCREDIBLY COMPLEX SITUATION (Nice tease. If I wanted to be teased. I would go to a strip club not a SPOILER THREAD. Do you folks have embragoes or something?), Chris and Lorelai seperate? Yeah...right. The only way to redeem this whole situation was to have Chris walk-away. To have Lorelai walk-away. Absolutely craps in a box in relation to this storyline.

I had the same thoughts.

What I don't understand is WHY in the name of all that is good and holy, you people want Lorelai with Luke? She is a whack-job.

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Jason and others, how do you want Lorelai to "pay" for all of this?

So what do you want? I don't get it.

I agree with Jason; Lorelai needs to end this alone. Unfortunately, the way it was written and the timing of it all--it doesn't allow for satisfactory (or believable) resolution. I know for some of you, you don't care how or why it ends with Chris as long as it ends, but I would like the show to be about more than just Lorelai's love life. She has to GROW, to own up to her mistakes, which means more than just ending her marriage--it means she may have lost Luke FOREVER. And if Luke is a self-respecting person, he'll stay far away from the mess that is Lorelai Gilmore.

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a few weeks ago people on this thread kept tellung us that Lorelai is so IN with Chris. And that the ILYs meant everything. That she truly is over Luke and fully commited to Chris.

Now that you know the Spoiler Lorelai is so not in and never was. Like we told you weeks ago. Interresting how people can change their opinion that easy.

All this shows me is how inconsistent the writing is.

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Yeah, I'll "OWN IT", Jason. I have more loyalty to my friends who are kind enough to share spoilers with me and with whom I make promises to keep to myself until they ok it. I don't owe you anything.

Good to know that information and that you like to play this little game. Color me NOT SURPRISED. I thought there were rules about this kind of behavior on spoiler threads.

What is really unfair is that you seem to enjoy deliberately bating posters into speccing when you know the spoiler so that you are then able to say, "Nooooo...and now HERE is your spoiler. I was always right!"

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I would be more sympathetic to her if she tried at all to make it work, like Chris tried. She never did. So, I find her sudden need to exit stage left, more of a farce than anything. I loved that date she went on with Luke in WITS. Really liked it, but now, I feel like I don't care about this couple because I can't feel sympathy for two people who are are so incapable of *really* giving of themselves to a partner. They are emotionally crippled people who drag others into their disaster zone. Well, Lorelai does. Luke is too much of a loner to drag anyone with him, although April may be a candidate.

Sandy, you nailed my feelings about L/L perfectly.

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Well since she married him without loving him, she can back out without loving him. Just because he put a ring on her finger doesn't mean she loves him all of a sudden.

Also good to know! So does that mean this marriage doesn't "count" for Lorelai?

What I think it does mean/confirm is that Lorelai is a nut job. I ask again--WHY do you want her with your beloved Luke?

peachypeep · 01-07-2007, 06:21 PM

Hasn't all the whorin' between Rory and Logan been 100% on Lgan's part?

And I like spoilers whenever they come, and whoever they come from! I can never understand getting mad at the sources...

El286 · 01-07-2007, 06:22 PM

Okay, so Lorelai initiates this break-up. I can see why those of you who hated the L/C relationship think this is a good spoiler. Lorelai is putting Chris out of her life once and for all, and she's admitting she made a bad decision in marrying him. But...

I totally agree with everyone who says that this makes Lorelai unlikeable.

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Lorelai ends her marriage to Chris still convinced Luke doesn't love her.

Some of you think this is an appropriate "punishment" for Lorelai's actions. But is it? She ends her marriage to Christopher without having Luke to run back to. She might be single for all of--a few months! Because really, there's only about a 0.1% chance that Luke and Lorelai aren't going to end up together by May. Sure, Lorelai doesn't know that when she ends things with Chris. But Luke is guaranteed to take her back pretty soon.

I agree with those who've said that Lorelai shouldn't have to stay in a marriage where she is very unhappy. But, as some of you have said, this realization of unhappiness seems to have begun already with the look on her face when she came home from Paris. In which case, all the weird behaviour she's been demonstrating since her marriage is due to the fact that she's not happy with her marriage. Sure, maybe she was in denial, maybe she convinced herself it would work, but it just makes Lorelai look incredibly dumb. I'm not saying I hate Lorelai. I don't think the writers intentionally wanted to make her look bad. They just wanted to get her married and divorced with Chris and had no clue how foolish and utterly unlikeable this would make her appear.

If she's made a mistake, then it's best for Lorelai to speak up sooner than later. But I'm going to feel pretty bad for Chris. We all know, even if Lorelai doesn't, that her "true love" is going to take her back in a little while. Chris, on the other hand? He appears to have been used. I'm absolutely not saying Lorelai did this intentionally, but by ignoring her doubts all the way through--by not putting any thought into how her actions would affect anyone except herself--it amounts to the same thing. From my perspective, except maybe in Partings which was a mutual kind of thing, Chris has not taken advantage of Lorelai in any way. He has simply stated that he is available, he loves her and wants to be with her very badly, and Lorelai has responded to him every step of the way. If she goes to Chris and admits, "I made a mistake, I'm not "in love" with you as I thought I was", it may be the best way of dealing with a very very messy mistake, but it's also confirming that throughout the whole first half of the season, Lorelai never acknowledged her doubts or seriously recognized the consequences of her actions. Which makes her look very, very pathetic and foolish.

mitten07 · 01-07-2007, 06:23 PM

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Hasn't all the whorin' between Rory and Logan been 100% on Lgan's part?

And I like spoilers whenever they come, and whoever they come from! I can never understand getting mad at the sources...

Actually, Rory is the one who cheated on Logan with Jess. And now the TA business.

Ciaobella, thanks for proving my point! I love it!

Tara Ashley · 01-07-2007, 06:24 PM

I think we need to be more respectful of the people who are sharing these spoilers with us. At the drop of a hat, they could leave this forum and never share with us again. And we don't want that-- regardless of which couple we support.

JumpinJulie04 · 01-07-2007, 06:25 PM

I just wanted to say thanks to thanks to Ciaobella and Saranoh for the spoilers. I think most of us really appreciate you giving them to us as much as you can, when you can. Everybody was complaining when there were no spoilers at all. Now, we're getting some, and they're some that show that the plot is actually moving along. So, thanks to you guys, and I hope that you don't stop giving spoilers because some people can't seem to appreciate what you are giving us.

From an LL standpoint, Lorelai ending it with Chris without making it about Luke is the best thing that could have happened IMO.

Maybe Rory's crush on the TA will actually give her a real storyline. Somehow, this crush could connect to any insecurities about her future, academic and romantic. Or maybe this guy gives her an idea about a possible future career? I think this really needs to be addressed soon, and maybe this stoyline will be a good start for that.

lancer1993 · 01-07-2007, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ciaobella (View Post)

Ok. I will.

Rory will have an intense crush on her TA, of the romantic kind. Not just an academic one.

But it's just a crush.

Don't say I never gave you anything Jason.

Thanks for the, wow Rory spoilers what will we do!

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Originally Posted by Saranoh

I'll confirm that.

and thanks for backing that up Sara.

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Well I'm not sure when it's "technically over", as in when the divorce is final, OR if the marriage is even legal. But you won't have to wait too long for it to be officially over as far as telling Chris and everyone else.

Can't wait

I'm still thinking ep 18 with maybe a L&L reunion

ep 19.

TheJSW · 01-07-2007, 06:25 PM

Afrayed, this is the problem. If I am having a discussion with someone like Bella, and she knows what's going to happen. How am I not being ****ed with by her toying with me? This whole affair is ridiculous because one again someone knew something, let everyone keep discussing it as if there was not an answer out there, then made herself look like the hero. Since she can confirm every spec a certain group of fans have been making.

You know when Logan and Rory break-up Bella. Or if Rory ****s the TA. So spill it already. Save some of us from looking like fools when we have a discussion in here, that you know the answers too.

Tara Ashley · 01-07-2007, 06:28 PM

When was it specced/spoiled that Rory and Logan break up??? Did I miss that?

ETA: Why do you find the TA spoiler so terrible, Jason? I don't think it's great at all, but a crush doesn't mean that she's going to go sleep with him or doubt her feelings for Logan. We don't know that yet. Once we do, then we can be dissappointed.