Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #132 ~ Where's the Love? - Page 15

SarahLovesLogan · 01-07-2007, 05:34 PM

Tara Ashley, not everything that someone says about JJ's is about YOU! People speak in general about a group of posters on this thread. Should we say JJ's, EXCEPT for Tara Ashley, and nameofsomeoneelse, etc, etc? That would get old real fast. The people who are being addressed know who they are. If it's not you, and you know it, then what's the problem?

I COMPLETELY agree with this:

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Personally, I am siding with Laura at this moment in time. I want Lorelai to be alone. I want her to be alone for awhile. If she cannot be alone. I want Luke to look in her face and tell her; "**** YOU." If she wanted to work with him. Luke may have decided to work with her. Instead she had to get all FINITE on their relationship by screwing Chris. Lorelai needs to be DRIVEN INTO THE GROUND LIKE A SPIKE. She needs to be levelled by some guy, that she realizes that she loves all of a sudden. When LITTLE MISS CANT BE WRONG spent all of last year being pissed at him for not doing what she WANTED HIM TO DO. Which he should have done anyway, but that is besides the point. I want Lorelai to feel some pain. I want her to be so hurt, that she does not leave bed for a week. Maybe then, she will stop being an ******* to her parents, and get that SELF-RIGHTEOUS STICK out of her ass. She needs to be humbled. Unless she's humbled. She's never going to learn the lesson. The lesson being; OPENING YOURSELF UP, DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN YOU WILL GET HURT. She never gives herself to anyone. Enough of that **** already.

Great rant Jason, and so true! Lorelai went from being someone I loved to someone who just annoyed me more and more, to the point where I now don't know if it's even possible for me to like her again. In my opinion, she needs to HURT to even begin to make up for the hurt she's caused.

GGMinn · 01-07-2007, 05:34 PM

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Jason, stop classifying LL shippers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not once have I fit the description you've given!

Perhaps we can work out something when you stop classifying R/L shippers.

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In my opinion, she needs to HURT to even begin to make up for the hurt she's caused.

Preferably without the sad!face. One of the more annoying aspects of S6.

pimbolina · 01-07-2007, 05:35 PM

Well getting the Gilmores closer together, should mean Emily, Richard, Lorelai and Rory, not Luke or Chris.

At first Emily wanted to have Lorelai/Chris together when Lorelai get pregnant, but she accepted Lorelai's choice to not marry Chris. Emily always thought Chris was weak, but he had the bonus that he was Rory's father and apparently Lorelai had some feelings for him.
Then when Lorelai/Luke got together, Emily didn't like it at first, even tried to break them up, which happened, but I think that was Lorelai's own fault. Nevertheless Emily was the one who gave Luke a shove in the right direction, otherwise it would have taken longer for LL to get back together again. Emily accepted Luke as Lorelai's partner, even wanted to meet April, when was the last time Emily wanted to meet Gigi?! Emily was concerned about LL and really cared about Lorelai's happiness. Still she didn't say much when LL broke up, maybe Emily grew up and again accepted Lorelai's decision.
Now L/C got together and even got married, well Emily was happy for Lorelai, still Emily thinks Chris is weak, but she gives Lorelai advice how to make her marriage work. At this point I think Emily was only afraid that Lorelai might get hurt again and could end up all alone, nothing she wishes for her only daughter. Now with Richard health crisis, Emily might have a heart to heart talk with Lorelai again, talking about what’s really important in life and what loving someone really means. That Lorelai should not waste her time staying in a marriage with someone she doesn't really love, but was only nice to have someone around.

MickeyJr3000 · 01-07-2007, 05:35 PM

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Is this spec or spoiler?

Well, considering Ciaobella just said this a few posts back:

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Lorelai ends her marriage to Chris still convinced Luke doesn't love her.

I'm assuming it's spoiler. Why would she dump Chris because she realizes she still loves Luke, if she believes that Luke doesn't love her and wouldn't take her back anyway?

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But if something a character says is completely belied by their past actions we have a right to complain and call it OOC. If Rory had EVER treated Luke as though he was like a father to her, than I wouldn't care if they made up a few stories to embellish the point. But she hasn't. So if they try to have Rory say that, I will be mad.

Oy. Around the tree again? I thought that discussion was over. Anyway, to add to that, IMO Rory doesn't necessarily have to have a close relaitonship with Luke. But she knows him and likes him and considers (or considered) him to be a family friend for several years when she was a teenager in Stars Hollow.

IF Lorelai's letter mentions that Luke was like a father figure to Rory, I think that it would be an embellishment of the truth, used to make her point feel more justifiable. Saying that he was like a father figure to her daughter would be great ground for the judge to understand and believe that Luke is father material and hence deserves (partial) custody. YMMV

xmonalpx · 01-07-2007, 05:38 PM

Lorelai is 38 years old. By this time average people have stability...right?

I mean Lorelai is still confused about too many things.

She doesn't appreciate her parents most of the time, mocks their actions and often says negative things about their intentions. She still hasn't realised what she wants, who she wants it with or how to have enough maturity not to get married spontanously.

What happened to her stubborn behaviour? She could've easily said no to eloping and gotten what she wanted, but she didn't when she really needed to stick to her gut. She's grown up as a "adult" these past two years but she is too smart to have let this happen.

It's just that it's too frustrating to see all this stuff. It better be ending soon.

IF Lorelai fights for Luke back:
I think Luke is way crushed still, and I'm sure he'll forgive, but he'll always remember, what she did. Maybe Lorelai doesn't have any self confidence left to believe that Luke still loves her after she got married.

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Lorelai ends her marriage to Chris still convinced Luke doesn't love her.

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The L/C break-up/divorce/whatever has nothing to do with how Lorelai feels about Luke.

Maybe it wasn't legal, hasn't that idea been thrown around.

pimbolina · 01-07-2007, 05:39 PM

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But how about breaking up with Chris, then immediately sleeping with Luke and marrying him?

But this time, I want another way: Lorelai staying alone for a moment, re-thinking her choices, would be the grown-up woman, I'd like to meet finally!

When Lorelai breaks up with Chris, I don't think she's going to sleep with Luke or gets together with him immediately. It's going to be different this time, at least I hope so.

lancer1993 · 01-07-2007, 05:40 PM

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And how do people know that Lorelai ending this marriage isn't her attempt to correct what she feels is a very big mistake? Wouldn't she be more unsympathetic if she stayed in the marriage knowing that it was the wrong thing to do?

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don't be so sure that Lorelai will get off scot free this time.

and thanks for this

I don't want Lorelai to go on thinking she can act this way and get away with it.

IMO she will get back with Luke but it will take a LOT of work on her part for than Luke's.

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Just a thought: Lorelai will initiate the break up with Chris knowing, there's no return to Luke at this moment. If she decides to make the step, it's a brave decision, showing her despair!

I agree, it needs to be over with Chris before she even thinks there is a chance with Luke, but it doesn't mean Luke doesn't think there is a chance.

peachypeep · 01-07-2007, 05:42 PM

(sarcasm alert!)

Well, based on everything I've read today, all R/L shippers LOATHE LOATHE LOATHE Lorelai. Best way to end the show: kill 'er off, have Rory renounce that stupid ass Chilton speech, admit that 2 minutes a year speaking with Chris taught her what really matters in life, and he's the best gosh darned parent ever! He can give Rory away at her 10 million dollar wedding to Logan. Happy now, kids?

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I don't want Lorelai to go on thinking she can act this way and get away with it.

What is Lorelai "getting away with" exactly?

Tara Ashley · 01-07-2007, 05:42 PM

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Tara Ashley, not everything that someone says about JJ's is about YOU! People speak in general about a group of posters on this thread. Should we say JJ's, EXCEPT for Tara Ashley, and nameofsomeoneelse, etc, etc? That would get old real fast. The people who are being addressed know who they are. If it's not you, and you know it, then what's the problem?

I apologize. But you can understand how it gets frustrating. It seems statements about JJs are made often than those about RL shippers. But I'm new, so it's a limited observation.

And GGMinn, I've only classified RL shippers once, and I apologized.

Sandlynn · 01-07-2007, 05:44 PM

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I may not always like how story lines develop or the direction they take but it’s not my story to tell so I just have to accept it as fact when it’s told.

We can’t always question the creators of fiction (TV and novels) and why they do the things they do because we don’t agree with it. DSR indicated that they sat down at the beginning of the year and plotted out a general plan for the direction of the season (or something to that effect). I believe everything we are seeing now on GG has been planned and was set in motion from the beginning of this season. It was only a matter of time before all was revealed.

Things change, people change, we learn something new every day (about each other and the world in general). We don’t always share everything about our lives to the people we share our confidences with (maybe the timing wasn’t right or we just forgot). Sometimes it takes years of building up trust in someone before we reveal to them some sensitive things we’ve kept to ourselves for years.

That being said, because we never heard a character say sometime before, doesn’t mean that it never happened when we finally hear about it. Keep them guessing and interested in the story so that we’ll want to come back for more. GG has kept us in the dark many times about many things that all we can do is join forces and speculate about their meanings. That’s good story telling and the reason why these forums exist.

Are you telling me that Rory has considered Luke a father figure and has been treating him like one for the past three years and I just haven't seen it?

Luke has not been an important factor in her personal or academic life, even when he was engaged to her mother. Rory did what she did at Yale and with Logan and her grandparents and her friends, without any input from Luke. The only way he knew anything about what was going on was via Lorelai.

If Rory had been close to Luke, as a child, for all the things he did for her, wouldn't she be closer to him as an adult? Wouldn't she have maintained a relationship with him despite Lorelai, like she did with Chris.

I'll be very puzzled by Rory if we hear of all this closeness that they never bothered to show on screen.

GGMinn · 01-07-2007, 05:44 PM

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(sarcasm alert!)

Well, based on everything I've read today, all R/L shippers LOATHE LOATHE LOATHE Lorelai. Best way to end the show: kill 'er off, have Rory renounce that stupid ass Chilton speech, admit that 2 minutes a year speaking with Chris taught her what really matters in life, and he's the best gosh darned parent ever! He can give Rory away at her 10 million dollar wedding to Logan. Happy now, kids?

Not very biting sarcasm, but yeah, sure.

peachypeep · 01-07-2007, 05:47 PM

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Not very biting sarcasm, but yeah, sure.

Thanks so much! I think this is the first time you ever quoted me, but I'm pretty sure I've dissed before.

gilmorebrazil · 01-07-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by peachypeep (View Post)

(sarcasm alert!)

Well, based on everything I've read today, all R/L shippers LOATHE LOATHE LOATHE Lorelai. Best way to end the show: kill 'er off, have Rory renounce that stupid ass Chilton speech, admit that 2 minutes a year speaking with Chris taught her what really matters in life, and he's the best gosh darned parent ever! He can give Rory away at her 10 million dollar wedding to Logan. Happy now, kids?

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What is Lorelai "getting away with" exactly?

You as always so nice...

ETA: I was wondering, it was a RL shipper who gave Lorelai that nice nick "whorelai"?

TheJSW · 01-07-2007, 05:49 PM

Lauren, I oddly enough noticed something about the SADFACE recently. That's LG's default ACTING EXPRESSION. I have no idea when this happen. Since it had to be after Bad Santa. However, in both trailers for her upcoming movies, the DEFAULT EXPRESSION makes an appearance. Just wanted to share that now. I thought about it weeks ago. Yet, I had to wait for the exact right moment, to share it.

Sarah, word up she needs to HURT. She MARRIED a guy, and she BACKS OUT due to not loving him? Again, what a ****ing *******? Who would want Luke to be with someone that's this much of a hot mess? Unless she literally learns something. Genki's points from last Summer will hold a lot of meaning this Spring. Since it's very possible, that Lorelai learns nothing from this debacle. Word up to the other thing as well.

Monal, people sometimes go a lot longer to find stability in their life. Lorelai, however, should have found some stability. She should have found someway to stop being cold and distant, but more forgiving and loving. Yet, she's shut herself down, and it's hard to open yourself back up. Once you have shut down for so long. Again, Lorelai, has had this problem for a long time. The day she told Rory about never being afraid to say I LOVE YOU. Well, that put the two girls on their paths, to who they were going to be in relationships. At least it seemed likely to me the last time I watched it.

xmonalpx · 01-07-2007, 05:52 PM

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What is Lorelai "getting away with" exactly?

I think that means...
That Lorelai should realise that how she treated the situation was terrible, and learn from it. She should get that it wasn't okay to leave both men(Luke&Chris(when she does dump him)) without proper thought. Although, I think she will actually know that it's right to leave Chris, no matter what excuse she has. Lorelai had better reavaluate her actions and know what was really wrong...her self-confidence. I think it will be her self-confidence that'll lead her to believe that Luke has completely fallen out of love, or has no interest in her. Or maybe it's because she REALISES HER MISTAKE, and believes there is no way to earase her past.

But also, Luke has the same amount of blame as Lorelai in their split(cause i'm not saying he's the angel)