Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #130 ~ We're Still Waiting For Santa - Page 4

lancer1993 · 01-04-2007, 08:15 PM

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Why do we call Richard a father figure towards Rory??

I don't know, it's just fans wishing IMO, what happens if Lorelai says Luke was the closest thing Rory had to a father for the last 10 years, I think some people's heads are gonna explode with that thought!

catkirk7 · 01-04-2007, 08:21 PM

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But you said "as far as Chris hurting Luke?". And even if Luke hadn't ended up breaking up with Lorelai, he still would have been hurt. So yes, Chris hurt Luke. Inadvertently, but yes.

What does Chris owe Luke? Absolutely nothing. Would Luke be dragged over stones for "hurting Christopher" if he were to tell Lorelai he still loves her now? (That was rhetorical. Please spare me a yes response or a Luke would never do that). Chris was drunk and sincerely felt and still feels that Lorelai is the one for him and he's the one for her. I'll be mad at Chris for a lot of things but "hurting Luke" is certainly not one of them.

Tara Ashley · 01-04-2007, 08:22 PM

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I don't know, it's just fans wishing IMO, what happens if Lorelai says Luke was the closest thing Rory had to a father for the last 10 years, I think some people's heads are gonna explode with that thought!

Hopefully the writers don't take it too far. A peaceful middle that all of us can be happy with. (Is such a thing ever possible with GG fans?)

Hey, where did the whole "Luke as a father-figure" thing start? Was that in a spoiler, other than this letter thing? I can't remember if we read it or specc'd it. And I'm starting to think we're blowing it way out of proportion. My guess is the letter references Rory a little-- but more so his commttment to the Lorelais in general.

ETA: Christine, I get your view. It's not a huge deal what Chris said to Luke, and it certainly doesn't compare to his other wrongdoings. But it's still there, and that's all I was trying to say.

lemon tart · 01-04-2007, 08:23 PM

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I don't know, it's just fans wishing IMO, what happens if Lorelai says Luke was the closest thing Rory had to a father for the last 10 years, I think some people's heads are gonna explode with that thought!

Yes, I forgot that was Luke she shares a love of literature & ancient history with. And Luke whose marriage she tried to repair. And Luke who she invited to all those lunches at Yale. And Luke that she schemed to pay back Logan with.

I guess I forgot to order up that version of the show from Warner Bros.

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Hopefully the writers don't take it too far. A peaceful middle that all of us can be happy with. (Is such a thing ever possible with GG fans?)

Well, as far as I'm concerned Lorelai can say what she wants. Dreamweave all she wants. Just like in S...GT. Rory, remembering nice things Luke did, also fine. She calls him her "father figure" that's not fine and never will be. But I'm confident that's not happening.

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Hey, where did the whole "Luke as a father-figure" thing start? Was that in a spoiler, other than this letter thing? I can't remember if we read it or specc'd it. And I'm starting to think we're blowing it way out of proportion. My guess is the letter references Rory a little-- but more so his commttment to the Lorelais in genearl.

Fan fic and the hopeful hearts of certain fans that desperately want that to be true, and what Rory feels.

Captain Hawkeye · 01-04-2007, 08:26 PM

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Why do we call Richard a father figure towards Rory??

Because in PS I Lo. . . when Rory fought she ran to Richard & Emily (who she barely knew) not Luke (who she would have known for years)

Because after the fight with Lorelai in Weston's she ran to Richard, not Luke.

Because the only thing Rory went to Luke for was to find out how Lorelai was. When she found out she left ASAP. When in SH for the baptism Rory visited Lane, but not Luke.

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The one person he wouldn't let anywhere near his daughter for fear that she would steal her affections, he wants to write a letter for him about what a great person he is.

Now that is interesting.

iamsher · 01-04-2007, 08:31 PM

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I don't know, it's just fans wishing IMO, what happens if Lorelai says Luke was the closest thing Rory had to a father for the last 10 years, I think some people's heads are gonna explode with that thought!

Richard has been more of a father to Rory than ANYONE. Have you not been watching the show? Or is it because you only watch for LL scenes? Seriously, how can you say that Richard hasn't been shown as Rory's father figure? Seriously, Craig? I thought you were smarter than that.

caf123 · 01-04-2007, 08:31 PM

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He doesn't have to be her "father" to fill the male/paternal role that she's sought at times.

He could fill that role without being her father. As could any man. But the simple fact is, he hasn't.

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It's closer/different than grandparent/grandchild. He's the go to male figure in her life. Which is one that's usually filled by someone's father, not grandfather.

Where on earth do you get that? She's only gone to Richard a few times. She usually turns elsewhere for support. Actually, she's probably turned to Lane more often than Richard.

I do think Rory and Richard have a great relationship - a great grandparent/grandchild relationship. Actually a fairly typical one. Not at all closer or different than most grandparents/grandkids.

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Originally Posted by catkirk7

Plus, the man in her life that she made sure to keep a relationship with when Lorelai was fighting with him.

Hee - Rory also went to the diner at the end of S2 when Lorelai was fighting with Luke. Does that make Luke her "father figure"?

clmorrow · 01-04-2007, 08:32 PM

Why does everything have to be all or nothing? Why can't Luke have been an important, long-term friend in Rory's life who did what he could to help when needed and why can't Richard be the thoughtful grandfather that he is, doing things that grandfathers do?

Is there some reason she can't have had both of these men in her life in a meaningful way? She's pretty fortunate to have both, in my opinion.

The only thing I don't read being debated is whether Chris was really her father figure - for obvious reasons.

Captain Hawkeye · 01-04-2007, 08:34 PM

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I don't know, it's just fans wishing IMO, what happens if Lorelai says Luke was the closest thing Rory had to a father for the last 10 years, I think some people's heads are gonna explode with that thought!

Especially ASP, who intended "Luke" to be a woman! If Luke is revaled to be a "father figure" that is in contradiction to ASP's original intent. (Now, if the letter said Luke was a "mother figure" to Rory. . .)

People talk about how LL were meant to be from the pilot. Yet in the first scene Rory is in the diner and her "father figure" doesn't say a word to her.

caf123 · 01-04-2007, 08:34 PM

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He doesn't have to be her "father" to fill the male/paternal role that she's sought at times.

True, he could fill that role without being her father. But the fact is, he hasn't.

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It's closer/different than grandparent/grandchild. He's the go to male figure in her life. Which is one that's usually filled by someone's father, not grandfather.

Where on earth do you get that? She's only gone to Richard a few times. She's turned elsewhere for support much more often. She's probably turned to Lane more often than Richard.

I think Rory and Richard have a great relationship - a great grandparent/grandchild relationship. Actually a fairly typical one. Not at all closer or different than most grandparents/grandkids.

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Plus, the man in her life that she made sure to keep a relationship with when Lorelai was fighting with him.

Hee - Rory also went to the diner at the end of S2 when Lorelai was fighting with Luke. Does that make Luke her "father figure"?

Shu · 01-04-2007, 08:35 PM

same tree?

lemon tart · 01-04-2007, 08:35 PM

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He could fill that role without being her father. As could any man. But the simple fact is, he hasn't.

I realize you like to write all your OPINIONS as indesputable facts, but what are you talking about? You're not even making sense.

catkirk7 · 01-04-2007, 08:38 PM

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Hee - Rory also went to the diner at the end of S2 when Lorelai was fighting with Luke. Does that make Luke her "father figure"?

Yes, because going to talk to him once is maintaining a relationship. She continued to go to FND and communicate with Richard every time Lorelai was fighting with the Gilmores.

Sandlynn · 01-04-2007, 08:38 PM

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Hee - Rory also went to the diner at the end of S2 when Lorelai was fighting with Luke. Does that make Luke her "father figure"?

Well, any man that pours her a cup of coffee.

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Neither is the father-figure. But Luke, IMO, takes the lead.

Luke has been more of a father figure to Rory than Richard? Seriously? Who has Rory bonded with and shared interests with? Who does she run to when her mother hurts her? Who does she look to for support, emotionally and materially? Who sent her to school, put a roof over her head, and food in her belly. And I mean paid for it, without putting a bill down in front of her?

I can't believe that ANYONE would put Luke before Richard in Rory's eyes. EVER.

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What??? And the rest of the show is.....a documentary??? So tell us, what really happened during those six -eight years prior to Season One. You seem to know their "true history". Do we believe the version of Gilmore Girls According to Sandlynn, or according to the writers who created this "work of fiction"? And what makes your version more real than what the writers tell us?

I believe what I've seen on the screen and Rory has not been close to Luke. She barely sees him anymore. After all, I wasn't the one having a tizzy because Rory wasn't all broken up about Luke's diner being destroyed or that she didn't go over and comfort him afterwards. And, that's just one instance. She just hasn't had the relationship with him that many of you have in your own heads.

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Clearly. The guy she had help her with a school project. The girl he wanted to fill in all the holes in her personal library. One of her "twin pillars." The one he wanted to follow in his footsteps at his alma mater. The same one he shared multiple lunches at at that same institution. The same person she was first distressed over his separation from his wife and later actively sought to reunite them. The same person she turned to when she went through a personal crisis.

The one she was best man for.

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I agree about the Richard stuff. But it always seemed more of a grandfather/granddaughter relationship than a father/daughter relationship, to me. Which is what it was, of course. So I make no sense. Just never really saw Richard as the father figure.

You're kidding. A grandfather can't be a father figure because he doesn't have the literal title of father in relation to Rory? What difference does it make? Grandfather has the word father in it, if that makes it better. I don't care what she calls him, *he* was her father figure. I would expect JJs to understand that considering how they keep insisting that Luke was a father figure, and no where in "guy who owns the town diner" does the exact word "father" appear.

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I don't know, it's just fans wishing IMO, what happens if Lorelai says Luke was the closest thing Rory had to a father for the last 10 years, I think some people's heads are gonna explode with that thought!

It wouldn't be true, and in fact, would be totally dismissive of Rory and Richard's relationship, a far, far closer relationship than she ever had with Luke. Eeee.

lancer1993 · 01-04-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tara Ashley (View Post)

Hopefully the writers don't take it too far. A peaceful middle that all of us can be happy with. (Is such a thing ever possible with GG fans?)

Hey, where did the whole "Luke as a father-figure" thing start? Was that in a spoiler, other than this letter thing? I can't remember if we read it or specc'd it. And I'm starting to think we're blowing it way out of proportion. My guess is the letter references Rory a little-- but more so his commttment to the Lorelais in general.

ETA: Christine, I get your view. It's not a huge deal what Chris said to Luke, and it certainly doesn't compare to his other wrongdoings. But it's still there, and that's all I was trying to say.

Much the same as Richard it is fans wishes and fanfic, whether it comes true (in Lorelai's eyes) we will know is a few weeks.

I don't know how far they will take it but what ever happens it will piss off someone.