Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #130 ~ We're Still Waiting For Santa - Page 18

lemon tart · 01-05-2007, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damselfly (View Post)

And I don't see Luke going along with that. He'd insist that Logan take payment for it, and he'd find a way to make sure he did. If Logan tried to refuse payment at the time, Luke would've refused to take the gift, and I believe if Luke insisted on paying for it, Logan would respect that and take his money.

How? The only sure fire ways would be money order or cash. Neither were likely options for Luke that weekend. Since you need cash to get a money order. Logan easily could have taken his check, stuck it in a drawer and forgotten about it. He didn't ask, nor was he shown to be expecting payment for the necklace. He obviously viewed it as a gift to Luke, for Lorelai. If Luke insisted, which to me is being ungrateful, then I'm sure Logan would have taken his check and promptly forgotten it. He wasn't looking to take Luke's money.

As for the other, if there were no agenda then she never would have brought it up. She wanted to not be seen as being influenced, so she went to the other extreme.

lilmelodie · 01-05-2007, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancer1993 (View Post)

I agree with this, that is why I'm not even gonna spec as to the content of the letter.

ETA - why are we spec'ing on stuff that happened last season and has nothing to do with the current SL, someone point out to me (I may be slow) how AVV has anything to do wit the current SL?

We're bored.

MickeyJr3000 · 01-05-2007, 02:45 PM

I have a big question: What was with the bad directions in Emily/Richard's scene in IOYO?

Google Maps - New London
Preston is UP and to the RIGHT, near Norwich.

Yet, in the dialogue, Richard claims that Emily told him to go SOUTH when he wanted to turn NORTH.

In anywhere along the journey toward New London from Hartford, there is not one place where going NORTH would lead toward London. In fact, going SOUTH would be the right direction in order to get to New London, while going EAST would be the wrong way that would take you to Preston.

So, they make it sound like E/R went SOUTH and that took them to Preston, and that they should have gone NORTH to take them to New London.
When, in reality, going SOUTH takes them to New London, and going NORTH would take them to Preston.

Anyone figure this out?

Also, what's doing with that podcast?

lancer1993 · 01-05-2007, 02:51 PM

Quote:

It ties in to talking about character.

Okay I'll get the dunce cap and go sit in the corner then LOL

As for the gift in AVV, I think Luke would have paid, yes he probably had no idea of the cost but I doubt he would complain after the fact, I also doubt Logan would pressure him into paying and would also probably take some convincing to accept payment. As for how, didn't line of credit and paid for stuff in cash in so I thing they would have worked out something later.

How does this "lying" to Lorelai and Rory about the gifts tie in with the Lucy stuff we just had?

lorelaisgirl · 01-05-2007, 02:52 PM

TV GUIDE PODCAST JANUARY 5, 2007

DM = Daniel Manu
MA = Michael Ausiello
AC = Angel Cohn
MMcD = Maitland McDonagh

START 21.55

DM: Uhm, Mike, we got a bunch of letters, even when Gilmore is off for like, two months ---
MA: Yeah, what are they asking about? Nothing is going on.
DM: --we still get lots of letters. Well, a bunch of random mails; one is from Sylvia in Italy, they’re talking about it in Italy, Mike, she wants to know some more about Richard’s health crisis and Lorelai’s epiphany which you’ve talked about a little bit. She wants to know if the epiphany is just related to Chris’ immature behavior or if there’s other factors.
MA: There’s other factors, yeah. Initially I thought it was gonna be, like, a major epiphany; it’s not. Really, she just uhm, I think, sees Luke maybe in a whole new light and Christopher when Richard gets sick, because Luke is the one who really steps up and is there for the family, Emily specifically. Christopher, however, is off sulking about a fight that he had with Lorelai, so she’s trying to get a hold of him all day, and he’s not around. So really, Luke was the one who was there when she needed him, so I think this just re-inforces that maybe Luke is the one, not Christopher. And re-inforces the fact that Christopher was really just immature and still is.
AC: Is this happening in the first episode back or is this---?
MA: No, this is happening further on. I’m actually ruining the plot for the episode that’s actually happening in quite a while.
AC: Okay. In like, May. Great, great.
DM: And Mike, Craig has a couple of other questions, one is about the finny death, quote unquote, on episode 13, can you give anymore uhh
MA: What---Can y--- I said funny death.
DM: Oh, he wrote finny, finny death, sorry. Funny death.
MA: Are they trying to be finny with funny?
DM: I don’t know.
MA: What are they doing?
DM: I don’t know what’s happening.
MA: Did I miss-spell it?
DM: I don’t know.
MA: Are they making fun of me?
DM: You’re using up a lot of air-space about revealing anything, Mike. Reveal---
AC: He’s so good at that.
DM: Reveal something. Who’s dying? You already mentioned it’s not Kirk, this week.
MA: It’s not Kirk.
DM: Bummer.
MA: Someone wrote and asked me if it was Paul Anka. And I’m gonna say no to that. But I’m also gonna say that they’re close.
AC: Oooohhhh.
DM: Oh. Uhmmm.
MA: Yeah, so---
MMcD: You sound really interested, Dan.
MA: Essentially it’s not gonna be a death anyone is gonna care about.
DM: Right.
MA: But it is gonna be funny.
DM: So, in other words, Gypsy.
AC: Poor Gypsy.
DM: Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves. And Mike, Craig also wants to know, is Lor--- where is Lorelai getting her coffee? Because she used to go to Luke’s Diner every single day, and she hasn’t been there for quite a while.
MA: Excellent question. But isn’t there another coffeeshop in town? Or another place to get coffee?
AC: And they showed her getting coffee like at the Inn and stuff recently.
MA: Yeah.
DM: But she’s been going there every day for 10 years, Craig points out. And now suddenly---
MA: I get a lot of questions about, when is Lorelai gonna step foot back in the diner.
DM: Right.
MA: People really wanna know about that. That’s gonna be a big moment when it happens.
AC: I mean there’s not a lot of eateries in Stars Hollow.
DM: That’s certainly true. Certainly true.

END 24.28

Errare humanum est.

caf123 · 01-05-2007, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyJr3000 (View Post)

I have a big question: What was with the bad directions in Emily/Richard's scene in IOYO?

Google Maps - New London
Preston is UP and to the RIGHT, near Norwich.

Google won't help you. Their Connecticut sells Twizzlers.

The Connecticut that Emily and Richard were driving is a red-eye flight from Atlantic City, in a timezone three hours away from Maine, where people eat Red Vines and leave their flimsy jackets flapping open for ventilation when it snows.

Cappuccino · 01-05-2007, 02:57 PM

Quote:

But I though Luke was the rich dirty diner guy? How is he affording that necklace that I guarantee was VERY expensive. I agree with Carolav that I doubt Luke knew the value of it.

You wrote yourself rich so that already answers your own question.
Luke may not know the exact price for the necklace but he sure asked Logan what he had paid for it. He wouldn't have taken the gift without paying Logan for it.

Quote:

Logan easily could have taken his check, stuck it in a drawer and forgotten about it.

Well Logan's own fault then but Luke tried to pay at least.

Why is that even on the table ?? We will never get an answer to that one anyway. They didn't show or mention it and everybody has his/her own believes. I say he paid whatever price Logan told him he paid for it. Others say he didn't pay a dime. If you want a real answer write Dan a letter.

**Katiegg108** · 01-05-2007, 02:57 PM

The Podcast info until lorelaisgirl has the whole thing up:

Lorelai sees Luke in a new light with him being great to the family and Chris not being there. Lorelai's trying to get a hold of Chris all day in ep. 13. Luke's there when she needs him. MA's says that'll just reinforce that Luke is the one, not Chris, and that Chris is immature, has been and still is

The funny death it's not kirk or PA... but it's close. NO one will care, but it will be funny.

MA said he's getting a lot of questions about Lorelai going into the diner again. He said it'll be a big moment, but I can't tell if that's his personal opinion or a fact.

voncey · 01-05-2007, 03:00 PM

Thanks for the podcast info. I can't imagine who or what dies. Babette's gnome?

MickeyJr3000 · 01-05-2007, 03:01 PM

Thanks for part of the podcast!

So, um...Lorelai finally realizes "because Luke is the one who really steps up and is there for the family" ?????

Weird. I thought that was something she knew all along.

Though this sort of resolves our questions abotu where Christopher is. As many suspected, he's sulking away and Lorelia is trying to reach him but unable to. Though it doesn't answer whether he KNOWS about the crisis exaclty.

damselfly · 01-05-2007, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemon tart (View Post)

How? The only sure fire ways would be money order or cash. Neither were likely options for Luke that weekend. Since you need cash to get a money order. Logan easily could have taken his check, stuck it in a drawer and forgotten about it. He didn't ask, nor was he shown to be expecting payment for the necklace. He obviously viewed it as a gift to Luke, for Lorelai. If Luke insisted, which to me is being ungrateful, then I'm sure Logan would have taken his check and promptly forgotten it. He wasn't looking to take Luke's money.

And Luke wasn't looking for a free gift. We don't know that Logan viewed it as a gift either since that was never said. At any rate, Luke's not the type to accept something that expensive without expecting to pay for it, especially when it's to give as a gift to someone else. I don't consider wanting to pay your own way as being ungrateful -- being a guest at Logan's house is one thing, accepting expensive gifts is another.

Quote:

As for the other, if there were no agenda then she never would have brought it up. She wanted to not be seen as being influenced, so she went to the other extreme.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. On both points.

Quote:

Originally Posted by catkirk7

But I though Luke was the rich dirty diner guy? How is he affording that necklace that I guarantee was VERY expensive. I agree with Carolav that I doubt Luke knew the value of it.

Now there's stereotyping for ya.

Podcast....interesting, someone is going to die, but no-one we will care about.

MickeyJr3000 · 01-05-2007, 03:05 PM

Gnome sounds funny but a gnome isn't real.

Thank goodness it's not PA. And I'm not going to take MA's opinion on the "big" diner moment, because he made a huge deal about a makeout session in the past and we weren't as wowed by it as he was.

Who would nobody care about if said thing/person would die? People, we need a list and a poll, PRONTO!

1. Babette's cat
2. Babette's gnome
3. Taylor's T-Bird kunks?

I'll be upset if it turns out to be a character that we are familiar with...even if it was Kirk, even if it was TJ or Zach, that would all be really tragic.

Sandlynn · 01-05-2007, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilmelodie (View Post)

I'm sorry, but once Logan found out that Luke didn't have a gift for Lorelai, he should have given Rory her gift at a different time. That would have been the polite thing to do. I'm not much into big romantic gestures. I love the more pragmatic, non-romanticness of Luke. Like his 5 hours of work around the CS for Lorelai's birthday. I thought that was really nice. He doesn't need to show how much he cares through expensive gifts. Sure they are nice once in a while, but not really necessary for expressing feelings.

So, it's Logan's fault? He was being impolite by offering Luke the gift?

You see, I can accept that Luke doesn't go for getting his girlfriend an expensive piece of jewelry or that he'd rather show his affection some other way, but the implication behind these words is that Logan's gesture *to Rory* was somehow second-rate. It's difficult to read this and not hear a subtle put-down of how Logan chooses to show his love, and that it's not as meaningful as Luke's.... Leaving aside the out-and-out criticism of Logan for wanting to give Rory her gift that day and offering Luke one of the gifts for Lorelai.

Tell me something, if Luke really felt that it wasn't "him" to express his love that way and if he were confident that Lorelai knew that and loved that about him, then why accept Logan's offer at all? Why not be confident that Lorelai would understand -- not only understand -- but love that Luke shows his affection in "more meaningful" ways than buying a piece of jewelry. It seemed to me that Luke felt that it would matter to Lorelai and that he should've gotten her something, not that they have a different type of relationship and it wouldn't matter in the least how or when Logan chose to express his feelings to Rory in comparison.

Quote:

The Podcast info until lorelaisgirl has the whole thing up:

Lorelai sees Luke in a new light with him being great to the family and Chris not being there. Lorelai's trying to get a hold of Chris all day in ep. 13. Luke's there when she needs him. MA's says that'll just reinforce that Luke is the one, not Chris, and that Chris is immature, has been and still is

The funny death it's not kirk or PA... but it's close. NO one will care, but it will be funny.

MA said he's getting a lot of questions about Lorelai going into the diner again. He said it'll be a big moment, but I can't tell if that's his personal opinion or a fact.

Thanks, Ass-iello, for all that information about Rory.

catkirk7 · 01-05-2007, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig

How does this "lying" to Lorelai and Rory about the gifts tie in with the Lucy stuff we just had?

We don't actually know that Logan lied to Rory. Rory's very perceptive. She's familiar with the Vineyard and Logan. I would be suprised if she bought Logan's "We snuck out and bought them while you were in the kitchen. She knows Logan buys gifts and he would have been prepared ahead of time. She also would have known that no place would have been open except wanting to buy fishing equiptment. I don't think it's anything we'll ever know or go back to but I would bet that Rory knew exactly what happened and confronted Logan about it. She was semi-aware of her mother's unhappiness at that time even if Lorelai wasn't sharing so she wouldn't have told Lorelai. She would have been more likely to let Lorelai keep her happiness that Luke had done something extravagent FOR HER on Valentine's day despite his own feelings on the issue.

How any of this ties into Lucy? I would say not at all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cappuccino

You wrote yourself rich so that already answers your own question.
Luke may not know the exact price for the necklace but he sure asked Logan what he had paid for it. He wouldn't have taken the gift without paying Logan for it.

Well, I may have made a typo but since I was quoting you (without the eyeroll smiley) I'm sure you got what I meant.

Quote:

Originally Posted by damselfy

Now there's stereotyping for ya.

I don't think it's stereotyping to say he wouldn't have known how much it cost. He didn't know what a tennis bracelet was. And I don't think he'd have accepted it had he known the actual cost.

Thanks for the podcast info. Here's hoping Ausiello is wrong about the epiphany.

funnyfriend · 01-05-2007, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancer1993 (View Post)

Okay I'll get the dunce cap and go sit in the corner then LOL

As for the gift in AVV, I think Luke would have paid, yes he probably had no idea of the cost but I doubt he would complain after the fact, I also doubt Logan would pressure him into paying and would also probably take some convincing to accept payment. As for how, didn't line of credit and paid for stuff in cash in so I thing they would have worked out something later.

How does this "lying" to Lorelai and Rory about the gifts tie in with the Lucy stuff we just had?

The Luke/Logan lie wasn't going to affect anyone in a bad sense, for Logan this was a way to be friends with Luke and make a bond by supporting Luke in giving happiness to Lorelai and for Luke this was a way to be sweet with Lorelai since he had been so anoying all the time, till that moment.

Knowing Luke, I beleive he paid for the necklace but he made an agreement with Logan about the better way to repay it if he hadn't money, but I think he had, remember how he lend money to Lorelai.