Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #126 ~ A Side, A Side, My Kingdom for a Side! - Page 9

Ciaobella · 12-28-2006, 08:06 AM

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Heh. I'm sure many married people here all have their own reasons and beliefs. We can also let these characters answer. For Luke and for Lorelai, it's what they want, it's what they've each been searching and, increasingly, pining for. It's important to them, as shown in 6.01. That's why it's also important to the fans who care about them.

I'm convinced they'll marry and live happily ever after. The only question is whether we get to see it.

Yes, you are right caf. Luke wants family; he thrives on family, even though he's the uber monk and he says he doesn't need anyone. But he's a better person when he has his family with him, be it Jess, Liz, Doula, April....even Lorelai and Rory became his surrogate family.

And Lorelai? She just wants that package. Someone to be home for the cable guy, pick up the slack, find her body when she dies. And she doesn't want it with that stupid other guy, Larry. She wants it with Luke.

I doubt we'll see the marriage, but hopefully we will see the wedding. The CW would be crazy not to push for it lol.

elduccia · 12-28-2006, 08:18 AM

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I doubt we'll see the marriage, but hopefully we will see the wedding. The CW would be crazy not to push for it lol.

Anything is possible, Bella. But yes, the wedding is something we've been craving for a long time. I think there's a reason why we didn't see nor the C/L wedding neither the Emily's vows party. And it's because we might get lucky and see L/L wedding.
I must say though, that unless GG gets renewed - I really don't know how I'd feel about that - I doubt DR can speed up things to the point where we see them gettin' married within this season.

Sure they went from "Chris I don't think we should make last nite more than it really was" to "Let's get married" within' 6 eps. But still...

lemon tart · 12-28-2006, 08:22 AM

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And Lorelai? She just wants that package. Someone to be home for the cable guy, pick up the slack, find her body when she dies. And she doesn't want it with that stupid other guy, Larry. She wants it with Luke.

Yes, and her desperation for that package is exactly what's led her to now being married to Chirs. She wants her package, however she gets it. She needs to quit chasing the dream and learn to be happy with herself. Something she's never done.

**Katiegg108** · 12-28-2006, 08:28 AM

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Yes, and her desperation for that package is exactly what's led her to now being married to Chirs. She wants her package, however she gets it. She needs to quit chasing the dream and learn to be happy with herself. Something she's never done.

I think that'll be part of all this. That she'll learn that it's not all about just getting the whole package and the married but that it's about much more than that. She seemed to realize that way back in season 1 and 2 or so... that it's not just about a marriage, but she's lost sight of that.

I agree with you with the idea that she should learn to be happy on her own, but not that she should end up alone. That's not what Lorelai's ever wanted or been content with, and that really won't change. But I do hope that once LL manage to get to the point someday where they're ready for marriage or the whole package that to Lorelai, it's not about just marriage or the total package, but about Luke and loving and being with him. She needs to get past just wanting those things for the sake of having those things.

caf123 · 12-28-2006, 08:37 AM

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I think that'll be part of all this. That she'll learn that it's not all about just getting the whole package and the married but that it's about much more than that. She seemed to realize that way back in season 1 and 2 or so... that it's not just about a marriage, but she's lost sight of that.

Or what she's living now is Emily's package, the conformist, non-pop-tarts life. As DR implied.

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I agree with you with the idea that she should learn to be happy on her own, but not that she should end up alone. That's not what Lorelai's ever wanted or been content with, and that really won't change. But I do hope that once LL manage to get to the point someday where they're ready for marriage or the whole package that to Lorelai, it's not about just marriage or the total package,

Logically, it wouldn't be "about just marriage" because she's already done that. Perhaps contrived and unnecessary, but presumably this 'journey' leads to more than the end of DS's 13-episode contract.

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but about Luke and loving and being with him. She needs to get past just wanting those things for the sake of having those things.

Again, we still don't know if she just wants those things - she didn't exactly leap at Chris' proposal in 7.07.

While she's trying to make it work, she hasn't exactly gone around broadcasting the marriage or showing off her ring - contrast to how she showed off her engagement ring to Liz last year.

ckomodo · 12-28-2006, 08:37 AM

I really like the previous "family" comment by Ciaobella, it sounds nicer then desparation for the whole package anyway. That's one (more) thing Luke and Lorelai have in common - they distanced themselves from families that they couldn't blossom in (Liz when she was being screwed up, E&R when they couldn't let Lorelai be herself) and made surrogate families for themselves in Star's Hallow, while pining for a healthy family in thier own home. Why Lorelai thought the answer would be with Christopher only the writer's know (if they do, because in my opinion the whole wedding thing was a failed ratings grab) but hopefully the show will stay on the air long enough for L/L to see the family they want is with eachother.

Ciaobella · 12-28-2006, 08:39 AM

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Yes, and her desperation for that package is exactly what's led her to now being married to Chirs. She wants her package, however she gets it. She needs to quit chasing the dream and learn to be happy with herself. Something she's never done.

I don't think her obsession with getting her package was the sole reason for eloping with Chris; she desperately wanted to move on emotionally from Luke. Luke telling her they were never meant to be and that she should be with Chris really screwed her up; it turned her whole way of thinking for the past twenty years upside down. Hence the questioning of her life choices in the next episode and then her calling Chris to start a relationship.

I don't believe that she would have married Chris so impetuously if not for her devastating break up with Luke.

eta: great post ckomodo. Luke and Lorelai ARE each other's family. When they realize that maybe they can break down all the crap that has been keeping them apart and finally be together. Which reminds me, I read this funny blog entry about Phil Openheimer's refusal to watch GG any longer after French Twist aired:

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"Worst of all, for me," writes Phil of GILMORE GIRLS, "its politics stink. The show was always about rich people living in a fairy-tale land, but it also embraced a handful of progressive (for tv, anyway) ideas: (1) biological parents may not always be the best people to raise their own children, (2) people who have had children together may not be suited to be together as a couple, or as a family, (3) the nuclear family may not always be the most functional unit, (4) people from different social classes can be romantically involved with one another, and more. By pairing Christopher back up with Lorelai, Rory with the loathsome Huntzberger heir (whose radical change from privileged party boy into successful businessman-not exactly the transformation of Prince Hal into Henry V, if you know what I mean-seems to be really, really cool with Rory)...the show has become a banal, reactionary Harlequin romance." Ouch! We do not like to indulge in negativity on the "blog," but the importance of last night's events suggest a brief dip into the abyss. Mr. Oppenheim, after all, lives in an abyss of mental torment, and if we are truly to understand him, we must follow him there.
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jalapeno_wildchild · 12-28-2006, 08:48 AM

i wish the hiatus would hurry up and end already, i'm dying to see the next 3 episodes

lemon tart · 12-28-2006, 09:08 AM

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I agree with you with the idea that she should learn to be happy on her own, but not that she should end up alone. That's not what Lorelai's ever wanted or been content with, and that really won't change. But I do hope that once LL manage to get to the point someday where they're ready for marriage or the whole package that to Lorelai, it's not about just marriage or the total package, but about Luke and loving and being with him. She needs to get past just wanting those things for the sake of having those things.

I would refer you to this post of mine. The alone thing is for this season. Because she needs to let go of some of the things she's held onto so tightly that she rushed into marrying Chris. And I agree that learning to be happy with herself should be part of this whole process. But it should happen and I think she has to be alone and okay with that for that to really happen. Realizing that her actions, not just Luke's or Chris's or anyone else's led her there.

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I don't believe that she would have married Chris so impetuously if not for her devastating break up with Luke.

Yes, which is all wrapped up in this whole *package* thing. Losing Luke meant she lost her chance at having that. So she clung to Chris as a means to an end and to cover up the pain she was feeling. But it all gets thrown into the pot together. She sees her chances slipping away because of her age. So she settles for someone she does love, just not in a life partner way, who she knows loves her. But it's not the package itself that will make her happy, SHE has to make herself happy first.

Mag13 · 12-28-2006, 09:14 AM

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I'm convinced they'll marry and live happily ever after. The only question is whether we get to see it.

I'm sure, the answer is: No!

Ciaobella · 12-28-2006, 09:15 AM

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I would refer you to this post of mine. The alone thing is for this season. Because she needs to let go of some of the things she's held onto so tightly that she rushed into marrying Chris. And I agree that learning to be happy with herself should be part of this whole process.

lemon, your original post stated that you felt Lorelai should end up alone. I took it to mean, her life ending up alone, not the season. I think most of us agree that if the show is renewed for an eighth season, she probably will end this season by herself, just for the sake of the writers having to fill another season with the obligatory obstacles and delaying tactics before marrying off L/L in the Big Sweeps Episode.

But if this is the last season? I think the audience would be very disappointed to see Lorelai alone by the closing credits.

Sandlynn · 12-28-2006, 09:46 AM

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Why in the world would anyone get married then? I never said Luke and Lorelai's love transcends the mere existance of a piece of paper. That is the whole point. Their dysfunctions and imperfections and baggage are so great that for them to do this simple everyday thing, would be a great deal.

Again, why would anyone bother getting married then? Maybe all the married people on this board could answer better than I could.

Because many people can go the traditional marriage route. The compromise, the communication, the adjustment that Lorelai and Luke couldn't do. Or, they try to do it, and end up divorced. And, if having an unconventional relationship suits a couple better, more power to them. Why try to do something only because "that's the way it's always been done." That hasn't been Lorelai's style, has it? You seem to be stretching my comments to cover every married couple on the planet when I'm talking about a subset of people. Traditional isn't for everyone. I'm not throwing marriage out the window. I'm saying that it's not the only way for a couple to be together especially if you have issues with expected conventions, which Lorelai does and Luke appears to by default.

fox24 · 12-28-2006, 09:53 AM

That reviewer that you brought Ciao sounds to me like a reverse snob jerk, calling Logan loathsome because his rich ugh, plus I don't find Logan's change that radical he is stilll a free spirit, the biggest contrived changed was Jess last year. Stop bringing reviews from fanboys who hate Logans if you want to prove the point of Christopher edit it

WandaRose · 12-28-2006, 09:57 AM

Aren't Lorelai and Luke on these so called '"journeys" this season so that they can work out all their personal kinks? To work on what they weren't capable of doing last season? How to compromise and how to communicate? We see Luke learning those lessons through his battle for April. He has to learn to be willing to communicate and compromise on situations if he's going to have any sort of relationship with his child. He has to be able to speak his feelings and state what he needs and wants while also learning to take into consideration other peoples feelings, needs, and wants. And if he can learn to compromise and communicate in one relationship, he should be able to apply it to all his relationships from here on out. And Emily's speech at the end of the last episode that aired was to get Lorelai thinking down that same path. Lorelai isn't there yet, but apparently she's going to start to understand those concepts a bit more in the upcoming episodes.

Luke and Lorelai are working through their own issues, solving their own problems individually. Once they figure them out for themselves, figure out what went wrong before, they'll be able to get back together and work together like an actual functioning couple. A couple willing and able to take things to the next step without question -- getting married.

Rebeccajill · 12-28-2006, 09:57 AM

I think what Lorelai wants is a "Yes" man. With Luke, what Lorelai wants, Lorelai gets. That was her with Luke until he kept her from interacting with April and she didn't know how to deal and when he wouldn't say "Yes" to her wanting to elope.

She needs to learn from what Emily told her that it is about compromise, etc. Until she learns all of this on her own, no relationship will be successful.