Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #126 ~ A Side, A Side, My Kingdom for a Side! - Page 8

lancer1993 · 12-28-2006, 03:07 AM

Maybe Luke and Lorelai just want to find someone (each other) and just hang out till the drop dead!

BTW - anyone remember which ep s Lorelai said that in?

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Originally Posted by ergotheweirdness

True Fuzzy, and I’m not going to lose any sleep over it but it would be nice if we could keep the casualties from this relationship to a minimum. Fewer casualties mean less guilt for Lorelai and less time spent on the post-mortem of C/L. It’s a win win (although, not so much because Gigi probably will be there after all like Craig says). I worry that Chris’ll play the Gigi card to try to get Lorelai to slow down the break up.

Well I had list of casualties which includes Rory, Chris, Gigi, Emily, Richard, Sookie and the whole town.

Notice how Luke is NOT on that list

ETA - Riska you've been added to the Chris Poll

Shu · 12-28-2006, 03:16 AM

hee, jason touche...and happy belated birthday

elduccia · 12-28-2006, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by lancer1993 (View Post)

ETA - Riska you've been added to the Chris Poll

Can I get to the poll too?

My vote is for: C. Chris doesn't know, Lorelai can't contact him.

Honestly the E option sounds possible too, but I don't wanna see that. It would make Chris such a coldblooded, selfish frakkin' a$$ that I cannot believe DR&Co will go down that road.

Oh and, by the way Craig: great job with the poll

Tea-Bee · 12-28-2006, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by elduccia (View Post)

Can I get to the poll too?

Oh and, by the way Craig: great job with the poll

Please me too?!

And ITA with elduccia craig!

My vote is for:
E: Chris does knows, he does care, but his own feelings of hurt control his mind/thoughts and therefore actions ...

lancer1993 · 12-28-2006, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by elduccia (View Post)

Can I get to the poll too?

My vote is for: C. Chris doesn't know, Lorelai can't contact him.

Honestly the E option sounds possible too, but I don't wanna see that. It would make Chris such a coldblooded, selfish frakkin' a$$ that I cannot believe DR&Co will go down that road.

Oh and, by the way Craig: great job with the poll

Thanks and you've been added.

Maybe I just want it to end so I vote that they at least separate at the end of 12, before the Richard news breaks which leads to Lorelai realizing what she wants and that is not Chris, she doesn't miss that he is not there at this bad time for the family.

ETA - Tea-Bee added

elduccia · 12-28-2006, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by lancer1993 (View Post)

Thanks and you've been added.

Maybe I just want it to end so I vote that they at least separate at the end of 12, before the Richard news breaks which leads to Lorelai realizing what she wants and that is not Chris, she doesn't miss that he is not there at this bad time for the family.

ETA - Tea-Bee added

Ausiello said they were going to change the 7.13 epiphany and make it slightly slower. Since it's probably going to be more of a progress into Lorelai's heart and mind about who she really wants to be with, I guess they won't be broken up by 7.12.
I'm a JJ, I've always been. But since the C/L thing has been brought in only to be torn apart within' the feb sweeps, I do hope that it's done in a sort of realistic way.

ETA: a-ehm Craig... if u sum up all the options of the poll it's coming out 101%

. Sorry I'm an engineer, I coudn't help but noticing.

lancer1993 · 12-28-2006, 04:02 AM

Answering my own question.

4.06 - An Affair to Remember

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LORELAI: Oh, come on, Luke. Give him a break. He wants the date to go well. I mean, it's all any of us wants - to find a nice person to hang out with 'til we drop dead. Not a lot to ask.

I so hope they find each other again and maybe the don't marry and just hang for the next 40-50 years, raise a family then drop dead, not much to ask is it DSR?

ETA - elduccia well Excel is rounding up to the nearest, I could go to 1 or 2 decimal places but that's just a little obsessive LOL

also there is nothing in the spoilers that says 100% that C&L are or aren't broken up or separated by the end of ep 12, JMO at this point.

blaab · 12-28-2006, 05:21 AM

Thanks JumpinJulie04 for the tour info. Nice to get some info!

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Sandlynn, to use terms that may suit you better. MARRIAGE is Luke and Lorelai's 8 story high scaffling. Again, yes, Chris and Lorelai are not working out, but they did not exactly start out on the best of terms. A Lorelai and a Luke ready to jump. Ready to hold onto one another's hand and jump over the broom...so to speak. Represents the final hurdle for them as people. It's not the paper. As much as it is the SYMBOL. You know what they say about symbols. They may my cat Dean horny, and he wants to hump them. Freakin horny cat.

Sandlynn, even though I pretty much agree with you when it comes to my own personal life about marriage, I do have to agree with Jason when it is about Lorelai and Luke. I guess I felt before that Lorelai and Luke getting engaged again would symbolise them finally letting go of the past and the Issues that go along with that, which would make them finally ready to have a relationship that could work and make them happy. I guess marriage would even symbolize this in a bigger way.

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Still think Lorelai's going to end up alone, and happy with it. She's been furiously trying to fill the hole Rory left in her life with men since Rory went to school, Jason became Luke became Chris.

She's never been alone in her life, not really, and I think that's what scares her most. She's never really been single. She always had Rory as her copilot to go through life with. She's been furiously chasing this image in her head of what she thinks is going to make her happy, her *whole package*. But it's just this idealized image she's dreamed up, not real life played out with someone. To me the point is maybe that's not what's going to make her happy, maybe it's Lorelai finally being at peace and happy with herself. Something she's never done.

Lemon, I don't think she will end up alone, but I do agree with the rest of your post and how she has never been alone and all. I think Lorelai will first try and find peace and happiness with herself and once she can do that, the doors to a happy relationship with Luke will open up. Because in a way that would also mean she has dealt with her Issues ... even though I definitely see Lorelai as being sort of lost, moreso even since the rift with Rory when it comes to trying to hold on to something. I also feel that once Lorelai sees what is wrong and what in her has been messing things up in the past, she will be very capable to work on that. Because I do feel Lorelai is a woman that has also been showed to be very persistent once she gets something in her head. It will be nice to see her work on herself this time and deal with some personal Issues in the same manner I have seen her deal with other things in the past.

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Honestly the E option sounds possible too, but I don't wanna see that. It would make Chris such a coldblooded, selfish frakkin' a$$ that I cannot believe DR&Co will go down that road.

Elduccia, since I came up with this option, I do feel the need to explain where this one came from or how I intended it. It definitely is not intended to make Chris look as a coldblooded, selfish frakkin' a$$ ... Since I do believe that Chris is choosing to deal (or well that is what the MA spoiler said (but yeah this is MA we're talking about

)), it seems fair to assume (or well I am thinking so) that since there seems to be some choice he also knows. And I guess because I have never seen Chris as a malicious guy, I don't feel he ever did things with bad intent, this option made sense to me. I am thinking he is overwhelmed with hurt and anger as a result from his big fight with Lorelai and his insecurities have already been growing and growing and therefor he gets caught up in his own emotions and fails to see or even feel that the GG need him on this occasion.

FuzzyCerts · 12-28-2006, 05:55 AM

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I worry that Chris’ll play the Gigi card to try to get Lorelai to slow down the break up.

They break-up in 7.13, so no slow-down....

And still, my guess is that Lorelai´s epiphany has already started, but she doesn´t want to admit it, cause she wants to make this ridiculous marriage work. Then in 7.11 and 7.12 it will grow and in 7.13 the real Lorelai is back, ending, once and for all, her relationship with Chriss....

Cappuccino · 12-28-2006, 06:18 AM

The moment she sat foot into the CS again she knew it was wrong but I think her epiphany will start in 7.11 with writing the letter. A few light bulbs will go off in her head and she will realize what she did in Partings. It will continue till 7.13 where she finally explodes.

gjoni · 12-28-2006, 06:45 AM

Thanks for the thread, blaab,
and for the wonderful title, George.

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Rory and Logan are not Luke and Lorelai. Luke and Lorelai are not Rory and Logan, and IMO, comparing them on the same scale isn't going to help prove any point. RL aren't the most wonderful and worthy thing since sliced bread, and LL aren't the end all to end all. LL will get to the point where they're ready to get married once Lorelai realizes that marriage isn't "it" and that Chris isn't "it" and she figures out her crap and Luke is finally ready to commit and when they finally are ready and want to. Rory and Logan will get married when they're both ready to do so and want to be married. Saying that LL aren't this, but RL are, or vice versa means nothing to me, personally. They're two different couples with their own issues and own strengths, and they'll both end up together in the end, so really what's the point of this?

I agree, there's no point comparing the two couples, especially when the main purpose is to figure out which is more deserving of a series end wedding. And secondly, I hope, that they WILL both (couples: Rory/Logan and Lorelai/Luke) end up together.

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Originally Posted by TheJSW

ETA: On a pure story level, Luke and Lorelai would have to get married at some point. The reason being; it's their greatest fear. It's their jedi trial with Vader in the cave. This is their leap. If they do not leap. They better **** or get off the damn pot.

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MARRIAGE is Luke and Lorelai's 8 story high scaffling. Again, yes, Chris and Lorelai are not working out, but they did not exactly start out on the best of terms. A Lorelai and a Luke ready to jump. Ready to hold onto one another's hand and jump over the broom...so to speak. Represents the final hurdle for them as people. It's not the paper. As much as it is the SYMBOL. You know what they say about symbols.

I agree, thet's a good way of explaining why they should marry. We know they love each other, they're THE ONE for each other, marriage should be their big honkin' leap of faith, finally.

Will we see it, the wedding, probably not. If we're (I'm) lucky, we'll get a peek at cohabitation, commitment through living accomodation and a possible new engagement, but probably no wedding and therefore no marriage, though we might know they're heading that way again in the near future.

If I had to choose, perhaps because of time/production constraints, between seeing the LL wedding or getting a glimpse into their life as reunited, real, intimate friends and partners, I choose the latter. Too bad it can't be both, time will probably not allow it.

R/L, will we get a wedding? I think not. I think the Rory graduation will be her grand finale for the series, with possibly an engagement for her and Logan, as well. I think and hope we'll know they're commited to each other, but I doubt it'll be in the form of a wedding ceremony.

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I miss the flashing smiley faces.

Could you please state that periodically. Apparently it works wonders

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Thanks for all the tour info, JumpinJulie.

lemon tart · 12-28-2006, 06:54 AM

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Lemon, I don't think she will end up alone, but I do agree with the rest of your post and how she has never been alone and all. I think Lorelai will first try and find peace and happiness with herself and once she can do that, the doors to a happy relationship with Luke will open up. Because in a way that would also mean she has dealt with her Issues ...

The proverb says if you love something let it go and if it's meant to be it will come back to you. Luke already did that. For screwed up reasons, but he does want her to be happy even if it hurts him. I think Lorelai first has to let go of this dream-vision-obsession with her *whole package* find some peace with herself and then she'll be ready to love Luke again and to let him love her.

I should preface, I only think she'll end up alone & at peace with it, if this is the last season. Maybe with a flash forward or them kissing at the 38 minute mark, so there's plenty of Lorelai/Rory time left. But I've never thought there would be full blown L/L this season. If there's to be a wedding it will be mid S8. It allows her to gain peace & happiness with herself, yes, Jason, the self realization & reflection I so think she needs, 13-22 sounds pretty good. Then a bit of tentativeness between the two of them to begin with, because they did hurt one another a great deal, and once they both realize they really do love one another and want to be together a pretty swift hashing out of things and (I think) a small intimate wedding at the house Emily & Richard purchased, snow falling. But not the big townie blowout, but something with just their family, Emily & Richard, Rory & Logan, April, Liz & TJ, unfortunately probably not Jess, Sookie, Jackson & Michel. Because those are the people that matter. And I think, in the end, that's what's going to matter, not the dress or the trappings or Miss Patty, Babbette, Lulu or Taylor's schedules. But them finally realizing what really is important and what's superfluous.

But I don't see any of that happening till S8. If we end this season, then I think Lorelai will end at peace with herself.

Ciaobella · 12-28-2006, 07:40 AM

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Why is that piece of paper so important to you? Does that make love any more real? Any more certain? It isn't helping Lorelai and Chris. It's an expression of love not a beast to be slayed. If that license is something that makes them act like they don't even know each other, I say forget it and move on. Love isn't written down on a piece of paper, certified by the State. It exists first. It is first. The piece of paper is just the social stamp; the legal bind that ties up all the dollar signs, insurance policies, and medical niceties. Tell me something. Is Luke at the hospital, helping Emily (as contrived as that is) because of a piece of paper or because of his feelings for Lorelai? You seem to believe that Lorelai and Luke's relationship is not worth a dime if they don't get married. That they don't really love each other if they don't sign a paper. If that's so, then their love is hardly one for the ages.

Why in the world would anyone get married then? I never said Luke and Lorelai's love transcends the mere existance of a piece of paper. That is the whole point. Their dysfunctions and imperfections and baggage are so great that for them to do this simple everyday thing, would be a great deal.

Again, why would anyone bother getting married then? Maybe all the married people on this board could answer better than I could.

elduccia · 12-28-2006, 07:54 AM

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Answering my own question.

ETA - elduccia well Excel is rounding up to the nearest, I could go to 1 or 2 decimal places but that's just a little obsessive LOL

also there is nothing in the spoilers that says 100% that C&L are or aren't broken up or separated by the end of ep 12, JMO at this point.

I know. Sorry, I didn't mean to nag you about the number.

And yeah there's no 100% guarantee. But so far the spoilers says 7.12 = major fallout and 7.13 a turning point.
Truth is: these spoiler could very well adjust to any speculation so yours is as good as mine.

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Elduccia, since I came up with this option, I do feel the need to explain where this one came from or how I intended it. It definitely is not intended to make Chris look as a coldblooded, selfish frakkin' a$$ ... Since I do believe that Chris is choosing to deal (or well that is what the MA spoiler said (but yeah this is MA we're talking about

)), it seems fair to assume (or well I am thinking so) that since there seems to be some choice he also knows. And I guess because I have never seen Chris as a malicious guy, I don't feel he ever did things with bad intent, this option made sense to me. I am thinking he is overwhelmed with hurt and anger as a result from his big fight with Lorelai and his insecurities have already been growing and growing and therefor he gets caught up in his own emotions and fails to see or even feel that the GG need him on this occasion.

But as overwhelmed as he could be, knowing that Richard is sick and Lorelai is worried and Rory, is own daughter that loves her granpa deeply, is suffering the fact that he could decide not to go to the hospital would be way too much. Even for an insecure and immature guy as he Chris is.
Yes he wouldn't be a coldblooded a$$ - and it definitely makes more sense if you add the "overwhelmed" to the poll, IMO - but still it would make him so incredibly selfish and self-absorbed and I couldn't just sit and watch.

On the other hand: pain is part of life. Even huge pain like a big fight with your significant other. Maybe Lorelai will not hold a grudge toward Chris because he wasn't there - she got used to that a while ago - but will ask herself "I know Chris is weak, but do I want a guy THIS MUCH weak by my side? What if something even worse happens and he cannot deal with it just because we argued or something similar happened". That would be one hell of an epiphany and it would be very realistic.

caf123 · 12-28-2006, 07:55 AM

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Again, why would anyone bother getting married then? Maybe all the married people on this board could answer better than I could.

Heh. I'm sure many married people here all have their own reasons and beliefs. We can also let these characters answer. For Luke and for Lorelai, it's what they want, it's what they've each been searching and, increasingly, pining for. It's important to them, as shown in 6.01. That's why it's also important to the fans who care about them.

I'm convinced they'll marry and live happily ever after. The only question is whether we get to see it.