Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #126 ~ A Side, A Side, My Kingdom for a Side! - Page 5

psunyy28 · 12-27-2006, 07:13 PM

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They worked rather well from NAIL until TPDR. The April situation hit them hard and they each individually had no idea how to deal with it. That shows that they have issues with communication and changes. Not that they can't be married to eachother in a good healthy relationship one day. They need to overcome those things that hold them back, but imo, not being the "marrying type" or whatever isn't holding them back, it's all the issues that got in the way earlier that they'll have to address and work on later.

Yet they did all of that without officially living together. And it was still during the "fairytale" honeymoon period of first getting together and not worrying about any problems or obstacles in the beginning, before life got in the way.

**Katiegg108** · 12-27-2006, 07:15 PM

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Finally, Katie, please point out to me how functional Lorelai and Luke were from NAIL to TPDR. You are not the only JJ to make this argument. Yet, I am at a lost, as to how what you stated happened, happened. Since all I saw was a dysfunctional couple from the go get. They sucked as a couple from the second-half of season five. Thus the reason I want to see these two get back together. So I can see these two not be a couple of *******s, and finally be in love. WITHOUT FEAR CREEPING IN ever ****ing five minutes.

How? They just were. They were working at combining their lives together. They agreed on where to live, they agreed to wait until things with Rory were set. They got Paul Anka and Luke was making him his burgers the way he wanted (where the frak has that dog gone off to anyways?), they redid the house, settled on designs and everything, agreed on kids, he supported her with her issues and doubts about Rory, he let her pull link sausages out of him, they started their own little traditions, went over to S/J, had S/t me, saying that they're meaningless, but to me they showed that they worked, they acted as if they were practically already married, and it showed how they could mesh their lives together successfully on a day-to-day and long-term basis, that is until a wrench was thrown in and threw LL off, which is what they need to figure out how to deal with, to deal with things not being perfect and get past those things. SO I agree with your last few statements about LL getting back together.

Also, we saw that once April came in Luke started to move out, and separate his life again. He wouldn't have been able to do that unless LL had already combined their lives and practically living as if married, minus the legal papers.

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Yet they did all of that without officially living together. And it was still during the "fairytale" honeymoon period of first getting together and not worrying about any problems or obstacles in the beginning, before life got in the way.

ITA, which is one of their main problems. Not being able to adapt when things aren't perfect or ideal.

lancer1993 · 12-27-2006, 07:15 PM

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JumpinJulie04, thanks for the info.

filming in the Gilmore Mansion before x-mas? Could there be a post-hospital scene there? Or would that have been in ep. 12?

Maybe, or it could be 13 and a scene before the hospital, maybe the "happy family" at FND in the teaser. Scenes with in eps are shoot out of order also.

Sorry Jason but I also believe L&L acted like a married couple up till April came along, the spent time together talked about things, did things together, very normal married stuff. After Rory came home that all changed. They seemed to have less time for each other which is never a good thing. They grow apart over the next 6 months to a shell of their former selves as a couple. Lorelai subconsciously pushed Luke away while trying to support him. She didn't know how to handle things and screwed up.

Ciaobella · 12-27-2006, 07:19 PM

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So Logan and Rory are not ordinary people, Bella? There you go...AGAIN! For someone who likes these two together. You sure have thrown them under the bus with the quickness today. My goodness. My goodness I told you.

Oy Jason, do I have a sign on my back that says Kick Me? Ordinary people, as in...not heirs to a media empire, but rather blue collar, working class joes, owners of old run down vehicles, the unanointed, in other words. Luke and Lorelai, the inspiration for that great John Legend ballad.

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ETA: On a pure story level, Luke and Lorelai would have to get married at some point. The reason being; it's their greatest fear. It's their jedi trial with Vader in the cave. This is their leap. If they do not leap. They better **** or get off the damn pot.

Exactly. It's a great ending, for them to slay that dragon and defeat that beast. It would be anything but boring if these two would do it.

psunyy28 · 12-27-2006, 07:30 PM

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ITA, which is one of their main problems. Not being able to adapt when things aren't perfect or ideal.

That's something that has to change before they can think about actually getting married. If their marriage is going to last, they can't allow every problem to cause a rift that completely separates them for a period of time.

caf123 · 12-27-2006, 07:35 PM

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I recognize this tree.

It's the Repetitive and Redundant Tree.

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Rory and Logan are not Luke and Lorelai. Luke and Lorelai are not Rory and Logan, and IMO, comparing them on the same scale isn't going to help prove any point. RL aren't the most wonderful and worthy thing since sliced bread, and LL aren't the end all to end all. LL will get to the point where they're ready to get married once Lorelai realizes that marriage isn't "it" and that Chris isn't "it" and she figures out her crap and Luke is finally ready to commit and when they finally are ready and want to. Rory and Logan will get married when they're both ready to do so and want to be married.
Saying that LL aren't this, but RL are, or vice versa means nothing to me, personally. They're two different couples with their own issues and own strengths,

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so really what's the point of this?

Beats me.

Captain Hawkeye · 12-27-2006, 08:04 PM

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Thanks, JumpinJulie04. Looking forward to your pictures.

Who would have been in the post-hospital scene? I understood they filmed through 7.13 before x-mas, so presumably Richard is still in hospital.

JumpinJulie04, do you happen to know if the mansion scene was from 7.12 or 7.13?

It could have been Emily getting the phone call about Richard's collapse

Sandlynn · 12-27-2006, 08:07 PM

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Exactly. It's a great ending, for them to slay that dragon and defeat that beast. It would be anything but boring if these two would do it.

Is that what marriage is?

Captain Hawkeye · 12-27-2006, 08:09 PM

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How? They just were. They were working at combining their lives together. They agreed on where to live, they agreed to wait until things with Rory were set. They got Paul Anka and Luke was making him his burgers the way he wanted (where the frak has that dog gone off to anyways?), they redid the house, settled on designs and everything, agreed on kids, he supported her with her issues and doubts about Rory, he let her pull link sausages out of him, they started their own little traditions, went over to S/J, had S/t me, saying that they're meaningless, but to me they showed that they worked, they acted as if they were practically already married, and it showed how they could mesh their lives together successfully on a day-to-day and long-term basis, that is until a wrench was thrown in and threw LL off, which is what they need to figure out how to deal with, to deal with things not being perfect and get past those things. SO I agree with your last few statements about LL getting back together.

Also, we saw that once April came in Luke started to move out, and separate his life again. He wouldn't have been able to do that unless LL had already combined their lives and practically living as if married, minus the legal papers.

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ITA, which is one of their main problems. Not being able to adapt when things aren't perfect or ideal.

All of that is true. Plus they did the "I like doing things with you" in 6.05. However,
1) They couldn't set a date
2) Maybe Long Term they knew where they were going to live but
a) when Rory returned, Luke left
b) as of YBG they couldn't tell E & R if they were living together
3) They didn't seem to have a grip on how Luke fit in with Lorelai & Rory

Ciaobella · 12-27-2006, 08:21 PM

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Is that what marriage is?

Sure, if they overcame - or seriously try to overcome - all those dysfunctions that you say they possess, which are for the most part a product of their own fears and insecurities. I think everyone here would agree what they shouldn't marry until they do.

Their wedding would be confirmation that they are at a place where they are not afraid anymore, or if they are, they are committed to ridding themselves of those demons together.

That to me is what marriage is.

Sandlynn · 12-27-2006, 08:38 PM

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Sure, if they overcame - or seriously try to overcome - all those dysfunctions that you say they possess, which are for the most part a product of their own fears and insecurities. I think everyone here would agree what they shouldn't marry until they do.

Their wedding would be confirmation that they are at a place where they are not afraid anymore, or if they are, they are committed to ridding themselves of those demons together.

That to me is what marriage is.

Why is that piece of paper so important to you? Does that make love any more real? Any more certain? It isn't helping Lorelai and Chris. It's an expression of love not a beast to be slayed. If that license is something that makes them act like they don't even know each other, I say forget it and move on. Love isn't written down on a piece of paper, certified by the State. It exists first. It is first. The piece of paper is just the social stamp; the legal bind that ties up all the dollar signs, insurance policies, and medical niceties. Tell me something. Is Luke at the hospital, helping Emily (as contrived as that is) because of a piece of paper or because of his feelings for Lorelai? You seem to believe that Lorelai and Luke's relationship is not worth a dime if they don't get married. That they don't really love each other if they don't sign a paper. If that's so, then their love is hardly one for the ages.

TheJSW · 12-27-2006, 08:50 PM

Sandlynn, to use terms that may suit you better. MARRIAGE is Luke and Lorelai's 8 story high scaffling. Again, yes, Chris and Lorelai are not working out, but they did not exactly start out on the best of terms. A Lorelai and a Luke ready to jump. Ready to hold onto one another's hand and jump over the broom...so to speak. Represents the final hurdle for them as people. It's not the paper. As much as it is the SYMBOL. You know what they say about symbols. They may my cat Dean horny, and he wants to hump them. Freakin horny cat.

Bella, least you got that I was ****ing with you. We are on a road to somewhere...WOO! Nevertheless, I agree with your exactly. While I am a big fan of Goldie and Kurt or Howard and Beth. If you are going to act that way. You might as well make it official. If not, like Brad and Lips, you are going through the motions. Again, it's not the paper, but the symbol.

peachypeep · 12-27-2006, 08:53 PM

I personally would like a wedding for Luke & Lorelai because I think it would be romantic.

ETA: It's hard to believe I'm saying this, but what JSW said.

**Katiegg108** · 12-27-2006, 08:53 PM

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Why is that piece of paper so important to you? Does that make love any more real? Any more certain? It isn't helping Lorelai and Chris. It's an expression of love not a beast to be slayed. If that license is something that makes them act like they don't even know each other, I say forget it and move on. Love isn't written down on a piece of paper, certified by the State. It exists first. It is first. The piece of paper is just the social stamp; the legal bind that ties up all the dollar signs, insurance policies, and medical niceties.

I know I'm not Ciao, but that wasn't at all what I took from her comments. IMO, and in the opinion of many LL fans, when LL finally get married, it'll show that they're ready, and have overcome their problems and can finally communicating. And like ASP said once, it'll be the two of them finally putting their fears aside and sucking it up and getting married. It'll be the final step in this journey, and the start of a new one. But it will be the sign that they finally overcame everything holding them back and are finally ready to be committed. It's not about that piece of paper, but of everything that a marriage would be for them. That they'll be together, working together, and able to overcome everything.

jalapeno_wildchild · 12-27-2006, 09:00 PM

great thread blaab, i'm going with E, on the episode 13 poll