Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #126 ~ A Side, A Side, My Kingdom for a Side! - Page 3

**Katiegg108** · 12-27-2006, 04:15 PM

I recognize this tree. We've been here before, a few too many times for my liking.

Rory and Logan are not Luke and Lorelai. Luke and Lorelai are not Rory and Logan, and IMO, comparing them on the same scale isn't going to help prove any point. RL aren't the most wonderful and worthy thing since sliced bread, and LL aren't the end all to end all. LL will get to the point where they're ready to get married once Lorelai realizes that marriage isn't "it" and that Chris isn't "it" and she figures out her crap and Luke is finally ready to commit and when they finally are ready and want to. Rory and Logan will get married when they're both ready to do so and want to be married. Saying that LL aren't this, but RL are, or vice versa means nothing to me, personally. They're two different couples with their own issues and own strengths, and they'll both end up together in the end, so really what's the point of this?

dreamslut · 12-27-2006, 04:27 PM

I miss the flashing smiley faces.

Thanks for the thread anyhoot.

Tara Ashley · 12-27-2006, 04:30 PM

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These arguments are so funny.

I agree. How did we make GG so controversial?

peachypeep · 12-27-2006, 04:35 PM

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None of what you or anyone else state happened...happened. Since Lorelai, clearly, sold her kid out. Okay, she only sold her out, if you are not a Lorelai mark, but I had to make the point damn it!

Not quite, according to both ASP and the character of Rory. ASP said that Rory moving in with the grandparents was a big **** you to Lorelai, not the other way around. And when Rory woke up from her stupor, she was ecstatic to be back with her mom. That's the way it was written.

psunyy28 · 12-27-2006, 04:43 PM

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Not quite, according to both ASP and the character of Rory. ASP said that Rory moving in with the grandparents was a big **** you to Lorelai, not the other way around.

They may have intended it to be like that (and I believe it was DP that said that), but they did a crappy job showing that. And the only reason it was seen as a big **** you to Lorelai is because Lorelai made it all about Lorelai, when that wasn't the issue.

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And when Rory woke up from her stupor, she was ecstatic to be back with her mom. That's the way it was written.

I think many people here agree that the reconciliation was done very poorly and cheaply, without addressing any of the important issues. They pretty much had to, since they dragged out the rift so long. As you said, the writers wrote Rory to be ecstatic to be back with her mom.

GEORGEIII · 12-27-2006, 04:48 PM

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And when Rory woke up from her stupor, she was ecstatic to be back with her mom. That's the way it was written.

Please, do not remind me of 6.09's Magical Reconciliation, which, as written, made about as much sense as Lorelai's Magical Letter of Wonders, which got Rory to instantly forgive Logan in 6.12.

Tara Ashley · 12-27-2006, 04:54 PM

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Please, do not remind me of 6.09's Magical Reconciliation, which, as written, made about as much sense as Lorelai's Magical Letter of Wonders, which got Rory to instantly forgive Logan in 6.12.

I still love the scene on the plane in 6.09, though, between Emily and Lorelai. I thought that was very well done ("I lost her like I lost you"..."You didn't lose her, she was never supposed to be there in the first place...and you didn't lose me") and kind of eased the transition. Kind of.

peachypeep · 12-27-2006, 04:56 PM

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Please, do not remind me of 6.09's Magical Reconciliation, which, as written, made about as much sense as Lorelai's Magical Letter of Wonders, which got Rory to instantly forgive Logan in 6.12.

I agree that is was done very clumsily, but it's what we have to go on in trying to understand these characters.

To me, those instances, and the one that would have shown how Lorelai and Chris ended up in bed, are cases where even the writers can't come up with anything remotely plausible, so they skim over, or ignore them all together.

Here's a flashing face, dreamslut:

Sandlynn · 12-27-2006, 05:15 PM

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I think L/L will do all the above, it will just be harder and take longer than it has for Rory and Logan. Unlike Sandlynn, who feel that Luke and Lorelai are hopeless and will never get there. That is what I was responding to.

Well, then you've totally misunderstood me. I don't think they'll never get to a place where they can be together. I just don't think they should necessarily get married. I almost think it's a psychological thing with some people. Like the piece of paper says to them, they have to do things a certain way or live their life a certain way just because everyone else does, but they don't have to. They don't have to live together. Luke doesn't have to get rid of his clubhouse. Lorelai doesn't have to get rid of her house. They don't have to vacation together. They don't have to compromise on the details. They don't have to have "a marriage" in the stereotypical meaning of the term. They can have whatever they want to have and call it a grapefruit.

Mag13 · 12-27-2006, 05:20 PM

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I just don't think they should necessarily get married. I almost think it's a psychological thing with some people. Like the piece of paper says to them, they have to do things a certain way or live their life a certain way just because everyone else does, but they don't have to. They don't have to live together. Luke doesn't have to get rid of his clubhouse. Lorelai doesn't have to get rid of her house. They don't have to vacation together. They don't have to compromise on the details. They don't have to have "a marriage" in the stereotypical meaning of the term. They can have whatever they want to have and call it a grapefruit.

And we don't have to watch the show anymore!
Grapefruits are healthy. But Lorelai doesn't eat grapefruits.

**Katiegg108** · 12-27-2006, 05:28 PM

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Well, then you've totally misunderstood me. I don't think they'll never get to a place where they can be together. I just don't think they should necessarily get married. I almost think it's a psychological thing with some people. Like the piece of paper says to them, they have to do things a certain way or live their life a certain way just because everyone else does, but they don't have to. They don't have to live together. Luke doesn't have to get rid of his clubhouse. Lorelai doesn't have to get rid of her house. They don't have to vacation together. They don't have to compromise on the details. They don't have to have "a marriage" in the stereotypical meaning of the term. They can have whatever they want to have and call it a grapefruit.

That's really the ending you would wish upon LL? Where they're together for what? They'd never get past just like dating and sleeping over at eachother's places? How does family and April and 'the total package' and everything else fit into that? An ending where they're not truly together, and an ending when they are still not able to open up their lives to eachother and still stay closed off and separate from eachother and are still at the point where they are unwilling to compromise? IMO, if LL end up not being able to work together to put their lives together, that would be worse than ending the show with Luke as just Lorelai's friend in the diner that pours her coffee.

lancer1993 · 12-27-2006, 05:29 PM

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Wow, look at that poll, Craig. Looking all scientific

LOL I like it ... ETA I updated the link ...

Well I was gonna try a graph but I couldn't get it to work LOL

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i'm sorry to say this but this time luke screwed up more then lorelai. this time lorelai really wanted to marry a guy she's in love with. she didn't run away, like she did with max. unfortunately she did get married but to a wrong guy, and definetly too fast after break up with luke.

I agree Luke screwed up but no more than Lorelai, and now what she has done so far this season proves she has not learn't yet and will continue to screw up. Maybe the break up with Chris will be seen more as her realizing finally what she wants more than another screw up. But I can bet the Emily is not gonna see it that way!

What we do know is family in some form is important to both Luke and Lorelai, they just need to sort out their own crap and bring them together!

DVD Deleted Scene 7.18

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LUKE: So what happened to us.

LORELAI: Frakked if I know.

LUKE: I asked you to elope and you tell me to slept with Chris.

LORELAI: That's about it.

LUKE: Why couldn't you talk to me.

LORELAI: Dido!

LUKE: Okay I messed up, at least I didn't run off and sleep with the ex, how very Desperate Housewives!

LORELAI: Well you cut me off after the party, I thought we had gotten over the "you can't see April" thing.

LUKE: We had.

LORELAI: What

LUKE: We had, where did you get it that you could not see April?

LORELAI: Anna

LUKE: Anna? what did she say!

LORELAI: That we had to be married first.

LUKE: Stupid Anna, and you.

LORELAI: What?

LUKE: You should have told me, talked to me, we could have got past this a lot sooner and...

LORELAI: and what.

LUKE: ...maybe we would have been married now.

Too long?

I just think at some point they need to talk and maybe it will make Lorelai realize how her stupid pride got in the way of her happiness for the last 6 months.

Ciaobella · 12-27-2006, 05:53 PM

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Well, then you've totally misunderstood me. I don't think they'll never get to a place where they can be together. I just don't think they should necessarily get married. I almost think it's a psychological thing with some people. Like the piece of paper says to them, they have to do things a certain way or live their life a certain way just because everyone else does, but they don't have to. They don't have to live together. Luke doesn't have to get rid of his clubhouse. Lorelai doesn't have to get rid of her house. They don't have to vacation together. They don't have to compromise on the details. They don't have to have "a marriage" in the stereotypical meaning of the term. They can have whatever they want to have and call it a grapefruit.

Well then if "that piece of paper" (as if that's all marriage is) isn't so important, why do you want it so badly for Rory and Logan? Why can't they just live on separate continents, doing their own separate things and meet up during weekends in NYC or London? They are so good at compromising and working through a modern relationship, then I say let them have their grapefruit too. Or call it a cantaloupe wrapped in prosciuitto since they are so hip.

tazzded · 12-27-2006, 05:58 PM

Thanks for the thread. I hope everyone had a good holiday and especially a great time at those After Christmas Sales.

Sandlynn · 12-27-2006, 06:18 PM

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Well then if "that piece of paper" (as if that's all marriage is) isn't so important, why do you want it so badly for Rory and Logan? Why can't they just live on separate continents, doing their own separate things and meet up during weekends in NYC or London? They are so good at compromising and working through a modern relationship, then I say let them have their grapefruit too. Or call it a cantaloupe wrapped in prosciuitto since they are so hip.

Because Lorelai and Luke don't work with the usual conventions, while Rory and Logan do. (Besides, they'll have gazillions of dollars and a media empire to worry about and children to inherit it.) As a matter of fact, I am in total sync with L&L on this issue. Their financial situation is minor in comparison. They can work it out without the marriage license.

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That's really the ending you would wish upon LL? Where they're together for what?

Tell that to Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell.