Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #124 ~ Our Spoilers Got Run Over By A Reindeer - Page 15

TheJSW · 12-23-2006, 12:24 PM

Katie, I am not much for Wicked, and would like to punch a WICKED SOUNDTRACK. If I were given the chance. However, I agree with Sandlynn, that Chris KNOWINGLY taking a DAY on Lorelai at the moment Richard gets physically gaffled. Would be a bunch of **** on an epic scale. That you or anyone else would want something such as this for Chris, is rather perplexing to me. Since it would make him a huge and utter dick to the one woman whose IT for him. Maybe this is why they TWEAKED it? Here's to HOPING!

Nevertheless, FATE is what it is, and there is no such thing as LUCK. This is not about LUKE being GREAT. It's about Lorelai having a realization about the relationships that matter most to her in life, that she has **** upon again and again. It's time Lorelai takes the red pill.

ETA: Sandlynn, much dap to you for knocking Shanti's argument THE **** OUT. Shanti, no offense, but that is a rather lowly view of KAB. If anything; Matt has helped give her part of the show added life. They do seem to get along with each other. Again, she even intimated, that she likes working with him more than any other actour on the show. SO, again, as long as Matt is around, and they enjoy working together. I doubt KAB is all "**** IT" about this job.

That aside, I am still standing by my original spec that RORY DOES HAVE A STORYLINE THIS YEAR. A storyline that should be full centre in the 07. Hawk can have his flow charts, but exposition can be told in a quick amount of time on this show. Rory's future should have a big part in the second-half. So the first-half did not knock it out of the box. Lorelai had LADY ISSUES, that had to be dealt with, as well as having an EX who has to get his **** in order. The 07 will be banner year. If not, I will send you a dollar. GUARANTEED!

lancer1993 · 12-23-2006, 12:34 PM

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Well so far I am in denial you can say I am going with the spec that Chris went off to sulk and turned off his cell so he doesn't know about Richard's condition. I mean the only episode summary we have is MA's Mr Broackback mountain

Which ep summary?

All we got from MA is some spoilers which seam solid and as said before the only way Lorelai can make a real choice this time is if both guys know, how can Lorelai blame Chris for not being there is he doesn't know about it, it's not like she hides things from him?

Oh wait she has a history, so she hid from Luke and is now gonna do the same to Chris and put the blame on him when he had not control over it?

The ONLY way this will work is if Chris knows something is wrong or IF they break up before she finds out about Richard.

Sandlynn · 12-23-2006, 12:35 PM

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I always thought the whole pointof her going to yale was to be close to home but does she visit as often as does should NOOOOOOO. She should have just have gone to Havard!!

The whole point of going to Yale was to continue her education in preparation for a career. Not to hang out in Stars Hollow.

lilmelodie · 12-23-2006, 12:39 PM

I don't get this argument about what AB supposedly wants out of her job. None of us knows her personally so we can't really know what she's thinking. We only know what we've seen and what she's said in interviews. She is ready to move on. She hasn't exactly been quiet about that. I didn't think that she looked like she was enjoying herself last year. However, this year, she seems to be having lots of fun. I know that I have enjoyed her on screen far more this season than last and even into the end of season 5. I guess that I'm just happy to take what I can get. I don't enjoy her as much in dramatic scenes. I feel like her strength is the more comedic, fun stuff and I'm glad they have been giving her that stuff this season. I feel like she has really shone this season because they have given her more of a balance of the funny and serious stuff. Sure, she doesn't have much of a SL, but really as a RL fan, do you really want that? Look at what they've done to Lorelai.

**Katiegg108** · 12-23-2006, 12:40 PM

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All we got from MA is some spoilers which seam solid and as said before the only way Lorelai can make a real choice this time is if both guys know, how can Lorelai blame Chris for not being there is he doesn't know about it, it's not like she hides things from him?

Oh wait she has a history, so she hid from Luke and is now gonna do the same to Chris and put the blame on him when he had not control over it?

The ONLY way this will work is if Chris knows something is wrong or IF they break up before she finds out about Richard.

Right. He needs to know, because if not this entire epiphany will have the worst foundation possible, IMO. How can she choose that it's Luke if Chris isn't even there? If he doesn't even know that anything's wrong? And in my opinion, it can be done that he does know and still isn't there without making him the devil. It would make him human, but it would also be a huge comparison between Luke and Chris in Lorelai's eyes.

TheJSW · 12-23-2006, 12:42 PM

The ONLY way it DOES NOT WORK Craig, is if they have Chris KNOWINGLY take a breeze on Lorelai during a crisis. It would be an EPIC FUNDAMENTAL GINORMOUS GRANDE FENTE BELL GRANDE CHALUPA 64oz of BULL**** to have Chris KNOW Richard is ill, but decide to SULK like a BITCH. I am not one to throw character assasination around, but this would be some SERIOUS assassination of Chris' character. Which would take even MORE TIME to fix because the writers like the guy, and undoubtly would not leave him in such a sorry condition.

ETA: Mel, why would you state in this forum "Do you RL fans really want Rory to have a storyline?" Seriously? Seriously? Of course we want her to have a storyline. I do not speak for every RL fan in her, but Rory and Logan are the best part of this show. Why would I not want to see more of them? Again, I see Rory having a storyline that represents a snowball building to an avalanche. This is me. Nevertheless, Rory is not Lorelai, and Lorelai had a storyline like this coming. It's our fault for putting her on a pedestal, and discounting out of hand it's possibility.

lancer1993 · 12-23-2006, 12:44 PM

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The whole point of going to Yale was to continue her education in preparation for a career. Not to hang out in Stars Hollow.

But she was headed for Havard for 16 years (or what ever), the only reason they chose Yale was for the story to work and not have Rory spend half her time on a train or in classes and not in SH.

IMO they still could have shown her more in town and made a better balance of things, just like the rest of the SL they have put the show in 2 camps this season so far, Lorelai on her side with the DFI and the "rich" life style including Rory and Yale. Then Luke and the town of SH and more "normal" life. Until up ep they didn't cross paths and over the next few eps that will happen more.

Sandlynn · 12-23-2006, 12:51 PM

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Sure, she doesn't have much of a SL, but really as a RL fan, do you really want that? Look at what they've done to Lorelai.

Well, no, I don't want one potential suitor after another thrown at her when she's supposed to be in a committed relationship. You begin to feel like the character has no morals, backbone, or loyalty to anything if the eye constantly wanders. But that isn't the only storyline out there. As a teenager, she had both a romantic life and an academic/"professional" life, now she just as a romantic life ... sort of.

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All we got from MA is some spoilers which seam solid and as said before the only way Lorelai can make a real choice this time is if both guys know, how can Lorelai blame Chris for not being there is he doesn't know about it, it's not like she hides things from him?

I just don't understand what this epiphany is supposed to be about. Did she not know that Luke cared about family and friends? Their very breakup was around the issue of family. Of him wanting to delay things because of his new found daughter and wanting to put the daughter first. Did she not know that he will help someone if he can? I think she always knew that. None of these issues broke them up. What broke them up was his keeping things from her, not sharing, being afraid to let her in for fear that his daughter would be taken away from him, either emotionally (by bonding more with Lorelai) or physically (by Anna objecting). How is helping out at the hospital or playing orderly for Emily addressing those issues? It doesn't. He still has major problems with keeping people out of *his* life unless in absolute crisis, i.e., the character reference letter. (Yeah, he'll go to her when he absolutely has to, but never looks to her from the get-go ... nor anyone for that matter.) And none of this addresses the issues she has of making everything all about her. Of not wanting to compromise, ever. So, frankly, this so-called epiphany is going to ring hollow.

TheJSW · 12-23-2006, 12:52 PM

Craig, imagine you are a stunningly beautiful woman for a minute. IMAGINE IT! Now, I ask you; what would you choose? Would you choose to go home to Mommy on the weekends? Or would you stay in town with your very charming and good looking boyfriend? Who you also just happen to love. Rory, has chosen-wisely, in my mind. Of course, you are your own pretty lady Craig, and you might choose differently. Whatever.

ETA: Wow Sandlynn, you are still totally blaming Luke. It's real hard to love a woman THAT LIES TO YOUR FACE in the manner that Lorelai did to Luke last year. Again, if she would have just said; "Look; I am having problems with this, and I want you to let me in." This would have never happened. They both screwed the pooch. Yet, as a man, I am supposed to knowingly let someone in? I AM A MAN, LADY! I DONT LET PEOPLE IN...because I am raised to do things MYSELF. Ahhhhh...there's the rub. You are blaming a guy for being a guy. Thank you for playing. What are her parting gifts today Johnny; "You are blaming Lorelai for being a woman. Woman are all about passive aggressive nonsense. So, it's even. And she gets a really nice toaster." Thanks Johnny.

That aside; the epiphany should still be about LORELAI realizing the cost of her BEHAVIOUR on the people that she loves. Her controlling nature, has ****ed over every relationship that she has ever had. She needs to realize that being in CONTROL does not necessarily mean that she will be happy. It just means that she will once again pull dick move after dick move on the people that she loves. If April is about Luke realizing that he has to fight and lean on people more. This epiphany should let Lorelai know that being THE DECIDER is a ****ty job to have and cost one...relationships in both a romantic and family sense.

lancer1993 · 12-23-2006, 12:53 PM

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The ONLY way it DOES NOT WORK Craig, is if they have Chris KNOWINGLY take a breeze on Lorelai during a crisis. It would be an EPIC FUNDAMENTAL GINORMOUS GRANDE FENTE BELL GRANDE CHALUPA 64oz of BULL**** to have Chris KNOW Richard is ill, but decide to SULK like a BITCH. I am not one to throw character assasination around, but this would be some SERIOUS assassination of Chris' character. Which would take even MORE TIME to fix because the writers like the guy, and undoubtly would not leave him in such a sorry condition.

ETA: Mel, why would you state in this forum "Do you RL fans really want Rory to have a storyline?" Seriously? Seriously? Of course we want her to have a storyline. I do not speak for every RL fan in her, but Rory and Logan are the best part of this show. Why would I not want to see more of them? Again, I see Rory having a storyline that represents a snowball building to an avalanche. This is me. Nevertheless, Rory is not Lorelai, and Lorelai had a storyline like this coming. It's our fault for putting her on a pedestal, and discounting out of hand it's possibility.

So how can Lorelai blame Chris if he was not told about Richard, that's no better than what Lorelai did in Partings with Luke, dumping 6 months of pain on the guy in 2 minutes and screwing Chris hours later!

Sorry but this time Chris must know or the story is in a worse mess than ever. Break up a marriage 'cause hubby was not at a place/event he had no knowledge about???

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Craig, imagine you are a stunningly beautiful woman for a minute. IMAGINE IT! Now, I ask you; what would you choose? Would you choose to go home to Mommy on the weekends? Or would you stay in town with your very charming and good looking boyfriend? Who you also just happen to love. Rory, has chosen-wisely, in my mind. Of course, you are your own pretty lady Craig, and you might choose differently. Whatever.

Well I'll get the pretty dress and high heels and be right with you LOL

But she has a boyfriend now, Mr Right so why stick around Yale for the first half of the year when he's of in London and now in NYC.

lilmelodie · 12-23-2006, 12:55 PM

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Well, no, I don't want one potential suitor after another thrown at her when she's supposed to be in a committed relationship. You begin to feel like the character has no morals, backbone, or loyalty to anything if the eye constantly wanders. But that isn't the only storyline out there. As a teenager, she had both a romantic life and an academic/"professional" life, now she just as a romantic life ... sort of.

I just don't understand what this epiphany is supposed to be about. Did she not know that Luke cared about family and friends? Their very breakup was around the issue of family. Of him wanting to delay things because of his new found daughter and wanting to put the daughter first. Did she not know that he will help someone if he can? I think she always knew that. None of these issues broke them up. What broke them up was his keeping things from her, not sharing, being afraid to let her in for fear that his daughter would be taken away from him, either emotionally (by bonding more with Lorelai) or physically (by Anna objecting). How is helping out at the hospital or playing orderly for Emily addressing those issues? It doesn't. He still has major problems with keeping people out of *his* life unless in absolute crisis, i.e., the character reference letter. (Yeah, he'll go to her when he absolutely has to, but never looks to her from the get-go ... nor anyone for that matter.) And none of this addresses the issues she has of making everything all about her. Of not wanting to compromise, ever. So, frankly, this so-called epiphany is going to ring hollow.

This is why I want Lorelai's epiphany to be about how Chris is wrong and really not so much about Luke.

wej5541 · 12-23-2006, 01:01 PM

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This is why I want Lorelai's epiphany to be about how Chris is wrong and really not so much about Luke.

Which leads to the question of why Luke has to be at the hospital in the first place. The people who should be at the hospital are Emily, Lorelai, Rory, Logan (Supporting Rory), and Chris (Supporting Lorelai). The main players should be Emily, Lorelai, and Rory with Logan and Chris doing hand holding.

**Katiegg108** · 12-23-2006, 01:02 PM

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I just don't understand what this epiphany is supposed to be about. Did she not know that Luke cared about family and friends? Their very breakup was around the issue of family. Of him wanting to delay things because of his new found daughter and wanting to put the daughter first. Did she not know that he will help someone if he can? I think she always knew that. None of these issues broke them up. What broke them up was his keeping things from her, not sharing, being afraid to let her in for fear that his daughter would be taken away from him, either emotionally (by bonding more with Lorelai) or physically (by Anna objecting). How is helping out at the hospital or playing orderly for Emily addressing those issues? It doesn't. He still has major problems with keeping people out of *his* life unless in absolute crisis, i.e., the character reference letter. (Yeah, he'll go to her when he absolutely has to, but never looks to her from the get-go ... nor anyone for that matter.) And none of this addresses the issues she has of making everything all about her. Of not wanting to compromise, ever. So, frankly, this so-called epiphany is going to ring hollow.

First off, Luke does not need to be there for her in ep. 13, he has no obligation to support her, Rory or Emily. And in Lorelai's mind, she might think that he wouldn't even want to be near her and speak to her if he had the option. Yet he is. So that'll speak volumes to her.

IMO, Lorelai doubted Luke's love for her and how much he cared about her. So again, seeing that he does indeed care about her still, when he has no reason to do so will be huge.

I don't think he still has has huge problem keeping people out of his life. IMO, he's showed that he's finally letting people in with the way he's been around April and Liz. Lorelai's not in his life right now in the first place, so him needing the letter is him letting her into his life again. But it's not him blocking her out until he needs her. He's not blocking her out because they're not interacting or trying to talk or anything.

And I think coming to terms with what broke them up will be dealt with later on. Right now she needs to feel that there's something there still. That as much as she tries to fight it, she still feels something for Luke Danes, and that he still cares and will be there to support her even when the man obligated to do so won't. Adding that to whatever Chris assumes about the letter ringing in her head. It makes perfect sense. And I don't think it'll ring hollow. All those issues and problems from earlier that broke up LL can't be dealt with until LL are ready to deal with them. But CL need to be done first, and Lorelai needs to have that epiphany to get her ready to deal with everything.

lancer1993 · 12-23-2006, 01:06 PM

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I just don't understand what this epiphany is supposed to be about. Did she not know that Luke cared about family and friends? Their very breakup was around the issue of family. Of him wanting to delay things because of his new found daughter and wanting to put the daughter first. Did she not know that he will help someone if he can? I think she always knew that. None of these issues broke them up. What broke them up was his keeping things from her, not sharing, being afraid to let her in for fear that his daughter would be taken away from him, either emotionally (by bonding more with Lorelai) or physically (by Anna objecting). How is helping out at the hospital or playing orderly for Emily addressing those issues? It doesn't. He still has major problems with keeping people out of *his* life unless in absolute crisis, i.e., the character reference letter. (Yeah, he'll go to her when he absolutely has to, but never looks to her from the get-go ... nor anyone for that matter.) And none of this addresses the issues she has of making everything all about her. Of not wanting to compromise, ever. So, frankly, this so-called epiphany is going to ring hollow.

I never saw the break up in Partings as just about April, Luke until 2 minutes before had no idea Lorelai was feeling so bad and had no idea how serious she was, as was proven 36 hours later when he had his eureka moment with the diner and when to Lorelai only to find she had screwed him over for his worse nightmare!

I think with the April think she had forgotten that Luke almost always puts others first, this time he put Luke above Lorelai and this pissed her off, she was no longer number one and could not cope. I agree they broke up for a number of reasons.

We don't know how Luke helps or what Lorelai sees in this maybe it's something he says, even going as far as telling her "He'll come back if it was meant to be" so again putting Lorelai's wants ahead of his own?

lilmelodie · 12-23-2006, 01:10 PM

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Which leads to the question of why Luke has to be at the hospital in the first place. The people who should be at the hospital are Emily, Lorelai, Rory, Logan (Supporting Rory), and Chris (Supporting Lorelai). The main players should be Emily, Lorelai, and Rory with Logan and Chris doing hand holding.

I said what I want. Not that I'm going to complain about Luke being there really because I love Luke. I just don't necessarily want Lorelai's epiphany to be all about Luke. I don't think we are going to get that though.