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Old 12-19-2006, 08:59 PM
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Where is MA's column??????? Are we going to have one this week????? What time is it usually up???????
Sometime around Midnight eastern time. That's about 1 hour from now.
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Old 12-19-2006, 09:00 PM
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MA's column will go up in an hour.

Well he actually filmed scenes and if they're trying to have more than 1 storyline in the episode then they won't cut out that storyline. Especially since Sebastian has stated he filmed scenes too
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Rory's outburst in Mr. Medina's classroom was great. And remember that she started the episode freaking out because she was behind everyone, but at the end she seemed more secure?
That's what I was thinking. It may not make everyone else happy, but it will let them know where she stands, which will make her feel better. It also gives them drama to deal with for the rest of the season. (I don't trust the peace she and Lorelai have going on right now. I have become so paranoid!)

eta: I hope not, Sandlynn. I have been counting on more Rory story after the notatriangle finishes. I will disappointed if we don't get that. It is the semester that she, her mother, and her grandparents have been dreaming of since the Pilot. Rory graduating from her Ivy League school and going out to conquer the world.
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Old 12-19-2006, 09:12 PM
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What I oppose and which is my main point is the putting people in boxes. It sucks...and I wish we could just all be fans of the show and put the shipper business and angst to the side.
ITA. Thank you.
I've actually tried to bring up stuff about the Gilmores and their relationships and I was completely ignored in favor of whatever shipper war we were in.

Thanks for the thread, Blaab.
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Old 12-19-2006, 09:17 PM
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And your point is ... what? Sounds like you're saying if posters are not indifferent but fail to toe the R/L line and dare to post about the bridesmaids, or the pub and drinking scenes, that makes them somehow suspect?

Apparently, 'JJs' - whether self-identified or labeled by others - are suspect if they dare make a post about Rory and/or Logan that simply doesn't agree with many of the self-identified Sophies on this thread.
That seems to be the situation whether it is the JJs or the Sophies. You've got to toe the line or you are subject to snide remarks and putdowns (even if some are done tongue-in-cheek.)

Question: Someone posted on the last thread about sides for a new character, described as a handsome and inteliigent TA. I think they used those adjectives. If it is just a TA that they wanted, why make him handsome and intelligent?

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I don't think this is an accurate observation. I've read countless posts of "Sophies" about the show in general and Lorelai, Luke, and Christopher in particular, and neither Rory nor Logan are mentioned in those posts or brought into the whole LLC debacle. If anything, it is the reverse: it is as if EVERYTHING about the show now has to revolve around LLC, and nearly ALL events are interpreted in terms of their implications for the LL reunion. That is my reading of the posts in the MT of late.

I guess it is difficult to just take people's posts at face value, because of what we know about the poster. So he or she may be saying some opinion about the show, but because people know the poster to be a Sophie, then that immediately colors or distorts the person's post...that he or she must "hate Luke", "love Chris", etc etc. When I think, for the most part, people are trying to bring back a certain "balance" on this thread. That not everything is about LukeandLorelai, nor the evil-ness of Chris.
How can an observation (or opinion) be accurate or inaccurate. It is my observation. You disagree with it, but IMO it is accurate and in your opinion it isn't. Not being argumentative, just trying to express the point that we can differ, but we should chose our words carefully. I do agree whole-heartedly with your second paragraph, secretlife. I get bored if most of the discussion is about either ship or one-sided whatever the subject.
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Old 12-19-2006, 09:19 PM
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Question: Someone posted on the last thread about sides for a new character, described as a handsome and inteliigent TA. I think they used those adjectives. If it is just a TA that they wanted, why make him handsome and intelligent?
I've seen spec that he's Richard's TA and it's more of him dealing with his illness and aging and having a sort of jealousy for a young man just beginning his life when Richard could be feeling that his is beginning it's end.
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Old 12-19-2006, 09:24 PM
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I think that the TA is designed to be a threat to Richard. I know other people have had this thought, as well. But what would be worse for Richard than to be replaced by someone who is just as good as he is? Especially if whatever his illness is prevents him from returning to both the office and the guest lecturer gig.

eta: Or you know, what catkirk said. I didn't mean to be repetitive. And redundant. I should have refreshed the page before replying. Oops.
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Old 12-19-2006, 09:24 PM
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Question: Someone posted on the last thread about sides for a new character, described as a handsome and inteliigent TA. I think they used those adjectives. If it is just a TA that they wanted, why make him handsome and intelligent?
I think the casting notice described someone intelligent, handsome and charming. I think intelligent should be a requirement to make him a good replacement for Richard. Now handsome and charming can be for any reason or for no reason.

Didn't the casting notices for Logan colleagues also described good-looking people?
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Question: Someone posted on the last thread about sides for a new character, described as a handsome and inteliigent TA. I think they used those adjectives. If it is just a TA that they wanted, why make him handsome and intelligent?
'Cause he's on a TV show?

or maybe it 'cause the character is going to Yale?
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Old 12-19-2006, 09:35 PM
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Caf....can you explain the difference between a JJ and Team LL.....i always thought that meant you were a JJ???
Uh, now I’ll really bore you, but sure.

I added that to my signature around or after Partings. It was a response to the Luke-blame/Lorelai-blame arguments that were going on at the time.

I think they do belong together but I started by watching the show and caring about each character separately, not “shipping” them.

I never particularly cared when/if they would get together, until they did. (Though I totally respect viewers who picked up on the anvils and were more impatient.)

When it happened, it felt right, although that was reportedly forced on ASP by the WB. Whatever, it worked – as an ignorant viewer, it felt natural to me. (I was also ignorant enough to take Chris leaving Lorelai for pregnant Sherryas the writers’ choice not an actor availability problem.)

I've also got a romantic streak so, sure, I enjoyed season 5 – but what really hooked me came later. That was the prospect of moving on to the next stage in their lives. Because shows rarely have the opportunity to do that, most don’t last long enough.

Well, GG had the opportunity but not the guts. This show worked best back when ASP let the characters lead and didn’t interfere with the natural storylines.

I remember Rory’s yacht theft winning a place in TVGal’s “wouldn’t buy it if you paid me” awards list. The romantic in me loves the scene of Rory and Logan running hand in hand down the dock, out towards Moby Dick’s sea – but I still don’t think Rory really would have committed a felony. Perhaps a different excape or lesser offence. This is where it started to get silly. It feels like the writers lost faith in their characters and instead wheeled in the soap opera ‘wham-bam’ stuff. A real artist creates characters, creates a world – and lets them develop naturally.

I do think Luke and Lorelai belong together, and that story would have been more interesting than the endless roadblocks that they will have to overcome for however many seasons are left. It’s spinning wheels, stuck in the same place.

I also find it implausible for Lorelai to try to follow Emily’s path – and if she is, they should explore that better. But whatever.

Quite separately, I dislike Chris and always have – it has nothing to do with LL. I agree with Ciaobella that “He stands for everything I despise in the male gender.” But for anyone who wanted to see LL together, trying to post seriously about Christopher around here is a lost cause.

Worse, each Christopher appearance reminds me of Rory’s issues – her reactions could go so many ways, all of them interesting and well worth exploring (with or without parallels to Logan – there are ‘some daddy issues there’, as DP said. Also some obvious ‘mommy issues’. )

Instead, the show has degenerated into a romantic triangle – into basically a romance-based show, for both girls. I don’t see that as Rory’s primary storyline at this stage of her life.

Structurally, breaking up LL destroyed some key foundations of the show – the diner scenes, the banter, the lead-ins to other scenes (eg, the breastfeeding scene, the rabbi/Andrew/Taylor teaser in Devilled Eggs – somehow they worked so much better with LL than similar recent scenes).

So. I wanted to see them together to see that next stage in both characters’ lives. But I also have every respect for real shippers who, coming from a rather different place than myself, were misled by the show and the showrunner’s public statements. So I usually don’t bother to differentiate.

I don’t ship or watch to see who will end up together. I got interested by a different kind of show here and wish they had gone the whole nine yards to create a complete opus. Instead, they panicked and turned to scoring as many own goals as needed to filibuster the rest of their run. Unfortunately, that’s also sucking the charm, the joy, and the original human interest out of the show.



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Old 12-19-2006, 09:36 PM
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I think that the TA is designed to be a threat to Richard.
In what way? It's not like Richard has had this "job" for long and depends on it for his livelihood or self-esteem. Is the fact that a mere TA takes over for him negates his importance? I just don't see why the TA has to be charming, handsome and intelligent. Is Richard that frightened of losing this position?
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I hate C since 1.13....so even long before LL got together.....

Nothing new I see ??? Same old, same old....
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Old 12-19-2006, 09:42 PM
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Uh, now I’ll really bore you, but sure.

I added that to my signature around or after Partings. It was a response to the Luke-blame/Lorelai-blame arguments that were going on at the time.

I think they do belong together but I started by watching the show and caring about each character separately, not “shipping” them.

I never particularly cared when/if they would get together, until they did. (Though I totally respect viewers who picked up on the anvils and were more impatient.)

When it happened, it felt right, although that was reportedly forced on ASP by the WB. Whatever, it worked – as an ignorant viewer, it felt natural to me. (I was also ignorant enough to take Chris leaving Lorelai for pregnant Sherryas the writers’ choice not an actor availability problem.)

I've also got a romantic streak so, sure, I enjoyed season 5 – but what really hooked me came later. That was the prospect of moving on to the next stage in their lives. Because shows rarely have the opportunity to do that, most don’t last long enough.

Well, GG had the opportunity but not the guts. This show worked best back when ASP let the characters lead and didn’t interfere with the natural storylines.

I remember Rory’s yacht theft winning a place in TVGal’s “wouldn’t buy it if you paid me” awards list. The romantic in me loves the scene of Rory and Logan running hand in hand down the dock, out towards Moby Dick’s sea – but I still don’t think Rory really would have committed a felony. Perhaps a different excape or lesser offence. This is where it started to get silly. It feels like the writers lost faith in their characters and instead wheeled in the soap opera ‘wham-bam’ stuff. A real artist creates characters, creates a world – and lets them develop naturally.

I do think Luke and Lorelai belong together, and that story would have been more interesting than the endless roadblocks that they will have to overcome for however many seasons are left. It’s spinning wheels, stuck in the same place.

I also find it implausible for Lorelai to try to follow Emily’s path – and if she is, they should explore that better. But whatever.

Quite separately, I dislike Chris and always have – it has nothing to do with LL. I agree with Ciaobella that “He stands for everything I despise in the male gender.” But for anyone who wanted to see LL together, trying to post seriously about Christopher around here is a lost cause.

Worse, each Christopher appearance reminds me of Rory’s issues – her reactions could go so many ways, all of them interesting and well worth exploring (with or without parallels to Logan – there are ‘some daddy issues there’, as DP said. Also some obvious ‘mommy issues’. )

Instead, the show has degenerated into a romantic triangle – into basically a romance-based show, for both girls. I don’t see that as Rory’s primary storyline at this stage of her life.

Structurally, breaking up LL destroyed some key foundations of the show – the diner scenes, the banter, the lead-ins to other scenes (eg, the breastfeeding scene, the rabbi/Andrew/Taylor teaser in Devilled Eggs – somehow they worked so much better with LL than similar recent scenes).

So. I wanted to see them together to see that next stage in both characters’ lives. But I also have every respect for real shippers who, coming from a rather different place than myself, were misled by the show and the showrunner’s public statements. So I usually don’t bother to differentiate.

I don’t ship or watch to see who will end up together. I got interested by a different kind of show here and wish they had gone the whole nine yards to create a complete opus. Instead, they panicked and turned to scoring as many own goals as needed to filibuster the rest of their run. Unfortunately, that’s also sucking the charm, the joy, and the original human interest out of the show.



Well put caf
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In what way? It's not like Richard has had this "job" for long and depends on it for his livelihood or self-esteem. Is the fact that a mere TA takes over for him negates his importance? I just don't see why the TA has to be charming, handsome and intelligent. Is Richard that frightened of losing this position?
I don't think it has to do with this position particularly. It is like Paris said way back in Not As Cute As Pushkin. The younger kids are competition. So, just like Paris was unhappy about Rory's little Chilton guest and what she represented, Richard will be unhappy to see that he isn't indispensable. That is hard for a workaholic to accept. I think TA is just a symbol of the replacements in all parts of Richard's work life. I hope for Emily's sake that he adjusts to retirement better than he did last time. (But I'm not counting on it. He likes to put on his suit and go to the office.)
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Old 12-19-2006, 09:46 PM
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I don't think it has to do with this position particularly. It is like Paris said way back in Not As Cute As Pushkin. The younger kids are competition. So, just like Paris was unhappy about Rory's little Chilton guest and what she represented, Richard will be unhappy to see that he isn't indispensable. That is hard for a workaholic to accept. I think TA is just a symbol of the replacements in all parts of Richard's work life. I hope for Emily's sake that he adjusts to retirement better than he did last time. (But I'm not counting on it. He likes to put on his suit and go to the office.)
I agree with this and would add that an intelligent young man just starting out his life would be a blow to Richard who's just had a scare that he could die would be a reminder that Richard will never be in that position again. To him at this moment it can feel like his life is beginning to reach it's end while this man is just starting out.
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