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Old 12-15-2006, 05:48 AM
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As if they are the sun and the moon and there's nothing else in-between. It's just...weird.
It´s not weird.....
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Cappa, thanks for the star, and it's not a bad WEIRD. It's just an angle that I am still not accustomed to at this point.
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Babs, I think you're thinking of Sandlynn, not me about Chris & Rory.

I can't wait to see Logan at the hospital with Rory. I bet since we know it's bad he volunteers to call in some specialist, calling Mitchum for some assistance there. (I miss Mitchum.) Helping out and lending a hand the best way he can. Giving some nice Emily/Logan interaction, and some nice Lorelai/Logan interaction, those will both be most excellent. Then he can go sit in the corner quietly with his girl, hold her hand, hold her in his arms, kiss her temple, give her some strength, a little quiet convo, and stay far, far away from the L/L/C debacle. Cause the Jr. set rules, yo!
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I can't wait to see Logan at the hospital with Rory. I bet since we know it's bad he volunteers to call in some specialist, calling Mitchum for some assistance there. (I miss Mitchum.) Helping out and lending a hand the best way he can. Giving some nice Emily/Logan interaction, and some nice Lorelai/Logan interaction, those will both be most excellent. Then he can go sit in the corner quietly with his girl, hold her hand, hold her in his arms, kiss her temple, give her some strength, a little quiet convo, and stay far, far away from the L/L/C debacle. Cause the Jr. set rules, yo!
The junior set includes the daughter of the LLC debacle. I'll never believe that has no effect on Rory. It's good that Logan is there, cool if we get more Logan-Lorelai scenes - but I have a nitpick: if Logan is also around, and Rory, what on earth does Luke 'run around' doing for Emily that everyone else couldn't do....

Eh, don't look at gift horse in the face.

Any parallels between Richard being surrounded by family and Logan alone in hospital until Rory shouted at his father? I thought not.

I hope Logan's input has nothing to do with money and specialists as you spec'd. Just because - Logan is a human being first. Obviously he'd contribute if needed. But somehow, that's too close to Chris' money-based involvement for comfort.

Most important - if Christopher throws the self-pity party Ausiello described, then not only is he not there for Lorelai - he's also not there for his own daughter when her grandpa is striken and rushed to hospital. That's huge.


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Babs, I think you're thinking of Sandlynn, not me about Chris & Rory.

I can't wait to see Logan at the hospital with Rory. I bet since we know it's bad he volunteers to call in some specialist, calling Mitchum for some assistance there. (I miss Mitchum.) Helping out and lending a hand the best way he can. Giving some nice Emily/Logan interaction, and some nice Lorelai/Logan interaction, those will both be most excellent. Then he can go sit in the corner quietly with his girl, hold her hand, hold her in his arms, kiss her temple, give her some strength, a little quiet convo, and stay far, far away from the L/L/C debacle. Cause the Jr. set rules, yo!
Heh. I have identical hopes for the ep. In particular the bolded part. I thought it was nice that the writers made a point of showing in that brief Logan-Lorelai scene in 7.08 just how much Lorelai's attitude towards Logan has indeed changed, for the better, since season 5. I think the writers have made obvious since 7.01 that Lorelai now has a favorable opinion of Logan.
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Old 12-15-2006, 08:21 AM
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Rory was an adult. She left!! She moved in to her grandparents pool house without so much as a 'see ya' to her mother, she left her grandparents to explain, knowing full well she basically committed the absolute worst betrayal as far as her mother was concerned, after such a cowardly act if she wanted her mother to show up at the court hearing then she should have been the one to call and ask.
First of all Rory was not 21 yet, but that's not even the point. The point is, one should not have to be asked to your child's official appointment with the justice system. There is a presumption here that a decent parent puts aside their own ego and pity party to witness what is going to happen to their child legally. It's no different then if Rory had to be at the hospital for tests or treatment for a serious health condition. The outcome of this hearing would effect the severity of Rory's payment to society, her freedom of movement, and future rights as a citizen, among other things. Lorelai's complete indifference to that was simply astonishing.
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Old 12-15-2006, 08:29 AM
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Caf, while I realize the L/L/C debacle will affect Rory, I don't expect it in this epiosde. More ep 14 forward. It seems pretty clear that she's likely to be the person that is first on the scene, if not a witness to what happens to Richard. If that's the case I doubt she's going to be caring what's going on in Lorelai's love life. She's likely going to call Emily, Lorelai & Logan. I think the rest of it will all be background noise, including what's going on with her parents.

As for Logan possibly getting a specialist, since I see nothing wrong with Logan having and using money, I see nothing wrong with it. It's him doing what HE can uniquely do. While Chris might have the ability, he apparently won't be around. Even if he does something that requires money, that doesn't discount the emotional support he can also give. It just adds to it.

Personally, I think if he didn't offer to do something like that, if it's needed, he's being negligent. Logan was initially brought in to show the fun side of money, whereas Emily & Richard represented the stilted. All season he's been shown as a more positive contrast to how Chris treats having money. Logan's graduated Yale, is now working hard, growing up and becoming responsible @ 24. Unlike Chris who didn't even begin to get his life together till his mid thirties. This would just be an extension of that same pattern.

ETA ~ As for Luke, well I'm sure we'll see him doing what he does. It seems pretty clear to me.
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The junior set includes the daughter of the LLC debacle. I'll never believe that has no effect on Rory. It's good that Logan is there, cool if we get more Logan-Lorelai scenes - but I have a nitpick: if Logan is also around, and Rory, what on earth does Luke 'run around' doing for Emily that everyone else couldn't do....

Eh, don't look at gift horse in the face.

Any parallels between Richard being surrounded by family and Logan alone in hospital until Rory shouted at his father? I thought not.

I hope Logan's input has nothing to do with money and specialists as you spec'd. Just because - Logan is a human being first. Obviously he'd contribute if needed. But somehow, that's too close to Chris' money-based involvement for comfort.

Most important - if Christopher throws the self-pity party Ausiello described, then not only is he not there for Lorelai - he's also not there for his own daughter when her grandpa is striken and rushed to hospital. That's huge.


I agree that Luke being there and helping Emily out doesn't exactly make sense at this point, but whatever. I'll take it!

Word on the Logan contributions. I really do hope that it is more emotional than monetary. The Gilmores have money and connections and all of that so I would much rather see Logan just being there for all three Gilmore women.

As far as Chris not being there, it's just plain unacceptable. He should overlook his own hurt feelings in this situation not only for Lorelai, but for Rory as well, like you said.

ETA: Lemon, I think that you are right that Rory won't be caring about what's going on with her parents at that moment, but that isn't the point. He's not only being rude and insensitive towards his wife, but also his daughter by not being there. He should look past what is going on between him and Lorelai to support his child.
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Old 12-15-2006, 08:43 AM
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Lets just wait what mega-dope Chriss will pull....and then we can discuss this again.....
Tanja, I don't have to wait to see what happens to know that I hope for Rory's sake Chris will be around later in the season for his daughter. And again I am not speaking about him being there and seeing that in like 8 eps, since that would be unrealistic. Just a couple to show there is a relationship regardless of Chris and his relationship with her mom. And I also want Rory to speak out first about how she felt about Chris in the previous years not being around. So that chapter can be closed and they can start a new one ...

Thanks Laura, so it was Sandlynn. Than I guess I have the same question for her. Sandlynn, could you post again about how you think the sort of relationship Rory had with her dad affects her now (or affected her). Thanks.

Caf, I think you could reason that all girls need someone to be around for them. Besides of course leaning on each other, it is always nice to have someone around for you in a matter like this that is a little less emotional involved and can still think straight and is there to lean on. Logan will be there for Rory to lean on and I am sure that will also be a great help to Lorelai and Emily. Them seeing Logan is taking care of their daughter and granddaughter. Lorelai I guess should be able to find some comfort in Chris, which will be difficult and well will lead to certain things ... Luke will be running around for Emily since well, I am sure she will go into a mode where all sorts of things need to be taken care off, like she also did the first time Richard ended up in hospital. She runs around and focusses on all kinds of things, in sort of an attempt to keep herself calm and have some control. Luke will be perfect in that matter (being the guy who likes to fix things and do), I am sure he will do all that is needed to keep Emily calm and help her take care of all those little things that in her mind need to be right for Richard.

Laura, I agree that Logan and Rory will show in some way how you are supposed to be there for each other in a situation like this, unlike Chris and Lorelai. I am sure we will see Logan completely focused on the Gilmores and worrying about their needs and not his own. So I am speccing a nice parralel between Luke and Logan. Backgrounds may be different, but at these moments they both set aside their own needs and are there for the girls.

Earlier on I suddenly had this thought that again Logan will speak up. Like you said Caf, Rory spoke up to Mitchum to get him there in hospital to show his support to Logan. Might Logan do the same, or try, in this matter when it comes to Chris being there for Rory or even for Lorelai. Or will Logans feelings about telling the truth will have rubbed off on Rory and will she speak up to her father herself? And I don't mean speaking up about the relationship between Lorelai and Chris, but more about how he is supposed to be there for her as her father.

So much that could happen ...

ETA I agree Laura, if Logan can arrange the best care/specialist or something for Richard, I am sure they all would appreciate that greatly. And since I don't think for one sec that Logan will only be there to show support in this matter, but will be there emotionally also, I think this will show what Logan is about perfectly. Sure he has money and he is not ashamed to have it and use it. He uses money/influence for a great reason AND also knows that emotional support is needed. Made me think of when he helped out Rory to get that Yale edition ready on time ... sure different situation but I can see some similarities.

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Old 12-15-2006, 08:57 AM
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Word on the Logan contributions. I really do hope that it is more emotional than monetary. The Gilmores have money and connections and all of that so I would much rather see Logan just being there for all three Gilmore women.
The Gilmores have money, but I think Richard was the one who always signed the checks even for minimal things (remember the payment for the landscaper in 5.03). So the women could need some help until Emily have everything under control.
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Caf, I think you could reason that all girls need someone to be around for them. Besides of course leaning on each other, it is always nice to have someone around for you in a matter like this that is a little less emotional involved and can still think straight and is there to lean on. Logan will be there for Rory to lean on and I am sure that will also be a great help to Lorelai and Emily. Them seeing Logan is taking care of their daughter and granddaughter. Lorelai I guess should be able to find some comfort in Chris, which will be difficult and well will lead to certain things ... Luke will be running around for Emily since well, I am sure she will go into a mode where all sorts of things need to be taken care off, like she also did the first time Richard ended up in hospital. She runs around and focusses on all kinds of things, in sort of an attempt to keep herself calm and have some control. Luke will be perfect in that matter (being the guy who likes to fix things and do), I am sure he will do all that is needed to keep Emily calm and help her take care of all those little things that in her mind need to be right for Richard.

Laura, I agree that Logan and Rory will show in some way how you are supposed to be there for each other in a situation like this, unlike Chris and Lorelai. I am sure we will see Logan completely focused on the Gilmores and worrying about their needs and not his own. So I am speccing a nice parralel between Luke and Logan. Backgrounds may be different, but at these moments they both set aside their own needs and are there for the girls.

Earlier on I even suddenly had this thought that again Logan will speak up. Like you said Caf, Rory spoke up to Mitchum to get him there in hospital to show his support to Logan. Might Logan do the same, or try, in this matter when it comes to Chris being there for Rory or even for Lorelai. Or will Logans feelings about telling the truth will have rubbed off on Rory and will she speak up to her father herself? And I don't mean speaking up about the relationship between Lorelai and Chris, but more about how he supposed to be there for her as her father.

So much that could happen ...

ETA I agree Laura, if Logan can arrange the best care/specialist or something for Richard, I am sure they all would appreciate that greatly. And since I don't think for one sec that Logan will only be there to show support in this matter, but will be there emotionally also, I think this will show what Logan is about perfectly. Sure he has money and he is not ashamed to have it and use it. He uses money/influence for a great reason AND also knows that emotional support is needed. Made me think of when he helped out Rory to get that Yale edition ready on time ... sure different situation but I can see some similarities
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Nice specs, Blaab. It looks like this might be THE pivotal episode this season.
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:09 AM
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did you even expect he's gonna be there for them? i didn't. in a situations like these you see who's your biggest support. when my father died, some people i thought are gonna be there for me, were not, and the ones i thought will not give a damn about me were there. i'm sure lorelai thinks that chris will be there for her, after all he's her husband, the one that proposed, and the one that said she's the one for him. it would be reasonable for him to help her get through that. but as always he cares just about himself. did he think that they're just gonna go out, have fun, watch movies and travel, and in general not working anything when they got married. marriage is not just about having fun. life is not just about having fun. that's why i don't like this guy. he never showed me that he deserves lorelai. never.
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Oh I have another one you might like George, or well I know you'll like. Sure it is a bit sweet and all. But I guess not to sweet for a guy who would like a double wedding

I am speccing that if this is the last year of this show (I hate writing that btw), in the final ep Logan and Rory will get married. Lorelai won't be married yet or well, not to the one she truely wants, since well, Rory is supposed to have it all before her. That has been Lorelais goal to begin with. After the wedding on the same night after returning from the party, which Lorelai will attend with Luke, they have been together for 2 or 3 eps, this time Luke will be the one to propose to Lorelai. And of course Lorelai will say yes. And there won't be negative anvils this time ... So the show can end after Rory is back from her honeymoon talking with Lorelai about her honeymoon to Asia, her future plans for her career and also talking about the upcoming wedding of Lorelai and Luke that is being planned by Emily

I love hope and speccing as if I have to much of it Call me a fanwanker ... please do. Not that it matters though, or would have an effect on me. Because thinking about this makes me happy and leaves me grinning. I don't care if it will actually happen, even though I am not thinking this is so unrealistic to think ...

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Or even better. Lorelai gets the call while they're fighting over the letter and Chris is like: "I don't care about your dad at the moment. Your wrote that letter for that diner guy ..."
Have we reach that level of cartoon caricature on this show. If only he had a mustache he could twirl.
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Yeah but what else is new ? Did he behave any different over the years ? That just shows once again he has not changed and probably will never change.
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