Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #115 ~ How the Grinch Stole Screentime - Page 6

lorelaisgirl · 12-08-2006, 02:15 PM

TV GUIDE PODCAST DECEMBER 8TH, 2006

DM = Daniel Manu
MA = Michael Ausiello
AC = Angel Cohn
MMcD = Maitland McDonagh

START 9.01

DM: Let’s talk about the new Gilmore Girls, this week. Angel…
AC: Start with Mike.
DM: What did Michael think?
MA: I went home and watched it at lunch time, because I live like two blocks away; and…
AC: Yeah, rub that right in.
MA: uh, I uh, there were parts that I enjoyed, there were parts of it I wasn’t so crazy about. You know, I love Lorelai and Emily still, all their interactions are—
AC: Any time their together it’s so great.
MA: it’s so great. And it was kind of an unusual poignant scene at the end on the porch where Emily was giving Lorelai some marital advise, and Lorelai I think was taking it back, cuz it kind of made sense. Uhm, the uh Luke-Christopher brawl, I was watching it thinking ‘is this something Amy would ever do?’
AC: No. That was something like, it was like, slowmo. It was very weird.
MA: With the shaky cam, it felt a little bit too NYPD Blue meet Homicide.
AC: Plus, I know I should just, I should just not watch teasers, but they’ve been teasing that fight with Luke ripping off his jacket for like, weeks now. So like, when that was it, I was, like ‘oh’, I wanted more, like, I don’t know.
DM: And haven’t we seen scenes already in teasers of like, Christopher with Lorelai after the fight? Or, or---
MA: No.
AC: No.
DM: I thought that we saw one.
MA: No.
AC: No, just up to this one.
[wawawa]
DM: That was in my dream.
AC: I don’t know, like, there was a scene, where like, Rory and Lorelai are on the phone, and was I like ‘I missed the two of them together.’ Like, I really wish there was more of the two of them together.
MA: But, you know what I really, the moment outside the store, with Luke, Lorelai and the baby.
AC: -- and the baby.
MA: That was the moment that I teased in AA a couple of weeks ago, but there is a Luke and Lorelai moment coming up that you’re gonna like. And it really was a great moment.
AC: It was.
MA: It was great to see them together again, and Dave Rosenthal wrote the episode, and I think overall it was a really entertaining episode. And I thought you know, when he writes an episode, you can--- I think it’s the closest the show comes to the Palladino dialogue.
AC: Yeah. No, the dialogue was great, I have no cripples [??] with that, it’s just the sort of like ‘where is this going?’
DM: To me, to me, my favorite sort of storyline this episode, I think, was more the stuff going on of Rory and Logan--
AC: and Marty.
DM: And Marty and the other girl from Veronica [Mars]. And I loved, to me the best single little moment, and Matt Czuchry was great in that dinner scene, that little look he gives Marty when Marty does the crack about the trust fund.
AC: --the trust fund.
MA: Ohh, yeah! It’s a go.
DM: But the way he looked at--- he lingered his look on Marty for a second, was really, you could see his wheels turning, how is he gonna get back at Marty.
MA: Right.
AC: Right.
MA: You know, that was a nice subtle moment. I totally, I saw that too.
DM: A lot of girls overreacting, what’s the big deal? It’s not like Marty and Rory dated.
MA: No, but I mean, the implication is that they have something to hide.
DM: Right.
MA: You know, by not being forthcoming. So I would have been that upset. You know. I think the real jerk in the episode was Christopher; going back to the other thing. His reaction just seeing Luke and Lorelai outside having a conversation.
AC: Right. Is she not allowed to talk to him, ever. Yeah.
MA: And he freaks out. That’s like, grounds for divorces forming there [???].
DM: Well, they’re obviously setting up. Because we know Christopher is not gonna be on the show the rest of the season.
MA: Yeah.
DM: They’re setting something up there, right?
MA: Oh yeah.
AC: He was just very angry, the entire episode. And that sort of made me uncomfortable, to like, watch him.
DM: And we actually got a mail from a listener named Hank, who kind of, you know, really hated the fact that I was giving Christopher props for ending that horrid knit-a-thon, last week. And he said ‘Christopher is buying out the knit-a-thon is a perfect example of what’s wrong with him. He’s either too self-centered or too dumb to realize that throwing money to a problem doesn’t make you friends.’ It helps though, it helps.
MA: It does help.
DM: And what do you think though, about the whole story line with Luke and the lawyer, and getting sort of semi-custody? That seems almost too serious for Gilmore Girls.
MA: I agree. That is a little bit too serious. It makes sense when you watch it, because she’s being impossible about it.
AC: She is really, really horrid.
MA: But you’re right, it’s a different show. That part of it, that’s a different show.
DM: ‘Cuz that’s something that happens in real life, it’s not like
MA: Are we gonna see a court, like is this gonna be a trial?
AC: Oh my Gosh, maybe there’ll be a cross-over episode with Law&Order.
DM: with Boston Legal.
MA: Well, could you imagine if they end the season, with this big trial and Dave Rosenthal is like ‘Eh, Amy you can have it now’. He could screw her the way she screwed him.

END 13.06

Errare humanum est.

Captain Hawkeye · 12-08-2006, 02:16 PM

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As Sandra already said: Boyfriends come and go.

And considering the length of Luke's marriage and the apparent brevity of Lorelai's, so do spouses.

To me it's interesting that most of the E & R break-up was told through the eyses of Lorelai and/or Rory. Only a couple of date scenes in ESH, the dog scenes in WOQM, and Richard's jealousy scenes in CH didn't have Lorelai and/or Rory in them. Conversely except for 1 phone scene & 1 hospital scene in ILP, NONE of Luke's post break-up SL has been seen through Lorelai and/or Rory's eyes.

In fact, Emily got fewer scenes on her date in ESH (2) than Luke had with Coach Bennett (3, not counting the scenes with April and/or Kirk) in GB.

lemon tart · 12-08-2006, 02:18 PM

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Luke is more than just the "nice neighbor" to Rory. And unless you've heard her say "I don't love Luke" you have no authority to say otherwise. While we may not have heard Rory utter the words herself, Lorelai has told the audience Rory loves Luke. That wasn't written in just because. It was making a statement. It is possible for Rory to love Luke as a good friend and someone who has been a constant in her life since she was small. And love him because he loves her mother and has protected and taken care of both of them through the years.

Conversely, find the scene where Rory herself says she loves Luke. It's not there. It's only Lorelai, which is second hand information. Has Rory ever tried to get Lorelai & Luke back together? No. She did with Emily & Richard, 2 characters we know she loves.

lorelaisgirl · 12-08-2006, 02:20 PM

I got mad at the podcast people somewhere halfway. Mad at Ausiello for skipping back to LL instead of continuing to talk about Rory; mad at Angel for saying 'like' every other word; mad at Daniel for not knowing that we didn't have a scene after the Chris/Luke 'brawl'.

And that podcast was my 700th post

pimbolina · 12-08-2006, 02:25 PM

That's one more reason to get LL back together Captain Hawkeye.
If LL are together again their separate SLs will merge into one and that would hopefully lead to more screen time with Emily/Richard. Besides the phone call in the car I can't remember one other scene with only E/R this season, and that's quite sad.

lancer1993 · 12-08-2006, 02:25 PM

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I don't think that the majority of the members of the rating systems is spoiled, imo it are only 1 % or so. The rest watchs the show, the promos maybe and read the episode description and that's it. Spoilers have no influence on their desicion to watch or not.

I agree the spoilers have little impact on the ratings it just it was easier in S5 'cause we knew the out come before it started on screen.

Capt' - Rory and Logan didn't start till S5 so a large bulk of the improved ratings were L&L, Logan just helped it along in S5.

Captain Hawkeye · 12-08-2006, 02:27 PM

Thanks for the transcript

Riska · 12-08-2006, 02:28 PM

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There are people from my childhood who I haven't stayed in contact with, but that I still love or feel very fondly towards. I'm not one of those people who thinks that Rory looks at Luke like a dad. In fact, when I read a fic where the writer does that, I tend to quit reading it. However, I can't discount that Luke did a lot for Lorelai and Rory and that they do care about each other.

Fondly towards them or the memories? There's a difference. Plus - how would you like the grown-up versions of them

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And considering the length of Luke's marriage and the apparent brevity of Lorelai's, so do spouses.

To me it's interesting that most of the E & R break-up was told through the eyses of Lorelai and/or Rory. Only a couple of date scenes in ESH, the dog scenes in WOQM, and Richard's jealousy scenes in CH didn't have Lorelai and/or Rory in them. Conversely except for 1 phone scene & 1 hospital scene in ILP, NONE of Luke's post break-up SL has been seen through Lorelai and/or Rory's eyes.

In fact, Emily got fewer scenes on her date in ESH (2) than Luke had with Coach Bennett (3, not counting the scenes with April and/or Kirk) in GB.

True, sad, but true. Still, Emily dating was much more fun than Luke. The whole separation stuff was a pleasure to watch

blaab · 12-08-2006, 02:33 PM

Thanks for the thread, Caf!

Well, screentime ... who loves who more ...

Why not jump in huh? It's not like we got new info from MA talk about

Screentime: I want Rory to have more! Lorelai=Christopher sceentime-wise. And even though I love the Luke scenes, I also think that is where more time goes to this season ...

Who loves who more, who needs who more ... I think Lorelai and Emily love eachother very much but do have a very difficult relationship at the same time. Yep, I have seen massive amounts of conflict, direct and indirectly, between them, but I believe that shows how much they love each other. If they didn't one of them would have given up over these years, if they didn't love each other, they couldn't hurt each other so much. And through all the moaning and the sighing and the passive agressive remarks I have always seen they cared. They have never stopped caring. They both always want to have a better relationship.

Does Lorelai love Luke, hell yeah. Is it fair to compare that kind of love, which is a different kind of love for her mother. Nope ... There is no comparing imo.

Does Rory love Luke, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if she did, wouldn't be suprised if she didn't. Maybe she just cares for him. I definitely think that she cares, just like I also think she cares for Sookie. Maybe more, since he has been very important to her mom, obviously also in a different way. Maybe not. We might find out in ep 11. Does she have to visit him to show this. I don't think so. I love/care for many people who were in my life while growing up, but you grow and naturally you built your own life so you don't see these people as much as before, doesn't mean you don't still care.

I really don't get all this what seems some sort of competition between how much Rory and Lorelai love other characters. First of all I find it ridiculous since people love different people in different ways and how do you compare these. I believe you can't and shouldn't, since both kinds of love are needed even if they are different. And when someone loves one that doesn't mean you can't love others also ...

caf123 · 12-08-2006, 02:33 PM

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I didn't mean to imply that SP should/would be written out, just that he would be easiest to write out.

Actually, EH would probably be easier. YMMV.

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Logan & Rory.

Bwah. Logan didn't appear at all in season 4 - unless you're talking about the grandson-of-Emily's-friend whom rumor said was originally slated to fill the Logan role.

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I'm sure Wayne's numbers will be interesting, but based on Lancer's transcripts:

Will you be supplying comparative numbers for seasons 1-6?

I'm spec'ing Craig will be the one to put them all in a pretty spreadsheet.

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GG does 30+ scenes a show, so in 4 shows Luke is in 20% of the show's scenes without a Gilmore Girl in sight

Leaving 80% free, which is plenty for both girls to have substantial storylines - PAD is the real loser here.

Seriously - most viewers aren't spoiled and don't read articles about the show. LL was a big draw - and that's where this year is going. It's being infinitely dragged out, they're over-indulging in detour C/L scenes - so how to retain the many viewers pining for LL to get back together? Not by letting Luke evaporate into the background. Much of this year has been a rather jerky version of TV 101; here's another instance.

Sure, SP has third billing, but so did Melissa for many years, without such a strong story - and it's the strength of his storyline that's having such impact, not mere screen-minutes - there were episodes this year where he scarcely appeared at all.

As always, the writers like to put a plot-centric spin when they discuss these things in public, but there are also more mundane reasons at play.

wej5541 · 12-08-2006, 02:38 PM

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Will you be supplying comparative numbers for seasons 1-6?

I'm not crazy enough to time other seasons as well.

lancer1993 · 12-08-2006, 02:39 PM

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He is not, sorry. Because if he were, she would've tried to stay in contact with him. She did not and the scenes on screen clearly showed she did not. She goes there and gets a coffee and a muffin to go without starting a talk - which you do with people you love. She doesn't try and never did to stay in contact with him beyond that. If you love someone you do. She didn't.

But Rory have not been in SH very much for a couple of years, just 'cause we don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. We have seen frak all about Rory and Lane are we lead to believe that they have not seen each other for months also?

Thanks sher for the podcast TS, love the last bit. and I wonder is MA knows about the court set, maybe he needs to check our spoilers once in a while

Riska · 12-08-2006, 02:45 PM

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But Rory have not been in SH very much for a couple of years, just 'cause we don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. We have seen frak all about Rory and Lane are we lead to believe that they have not seen each other for months also?

The reaction upon seeing each other again however is all different. With Luke Rory was pretty factual, while she wasn't with Lane. I couldn't see a single movement in Rory's face which told me that she's particularly happy to see Luke or that they had any contact from the way they talked to each other.

lorelaisgirl · 12-08-2006, 02:48 PM

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Thanks sher

hè? Did my name change without me knowing it?

lancer1993 · 12-08-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by caf123

I'm spec'ing Craig will be the one to put them all in a pretty spreadsheet.

Not likely, I'm not that crazy

BTW - I'll have the TS for ep 7.10 up in about 36 hours, as always I'll post here when it's done, I've only just got past the teaser with Mr & Mrs Dunce!

ETA

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hè? Did my name change without me knowing it?

LOL, sorry got mixed up there for a minute, it happens when you don't think before typing