Spoilers - Gilmore Girls S&S #113 ~ Chris & Luke? Nah, More Like Spike & Angel. - Page 20

Cappuccino · 12-06-2006, 05:08 PM

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If it's all about love and who she loves, then why is she having the EXACT same problems with Chris that she had with Luke? She never once compromised with Luke. The house, the bedroom suit, Rory, the wedding, etc., etc. She never fought for their relationship either. She can say he didn't let her in, she never asked either till she'd already decided ALL ON HER OWN, to end it.

How are they exactly the same ? She is so freaking stubborn right now because she is NOT in that relationship 100 %. Stubborn about moving, kids and the wedding thing I mean. Another kid with Chris - no way. After that look from her and the what ?! With their past no way is she going to trust him in that department anymore. That's why she is so stubborn about that topic.
Moving - she likes her house. She loves her house. She is not going to give that up so easily. She worked hard for it. It meant everything to her to finally move out of the shed and into a real home. She could finally give her daughter a real home and herself. She let Luke in - I mean hello they remodeled it. Luke became a part of it. The CS was his too in a way. I think she still clings to it even more is because there is still Luke in it. Luke is in every corner of that house. She might have thrown everything out that reminded her of Luke but she couldn't get rid of everything. Again she's not in that marriage so she doesn't want to move or change things.
The same goes for the wedding. She doesn't want that stupid high class, kissing everybody's rich a$$ party Emily wants to throw for her. That's not her. She already said yes and her face in FT said everything about how sincere she was about it.

She's not in it which means she plays it cool and thinks she can get away with it because she thinks Chris will take everything as it comes like she does. Thing just is little Prince Charming doesn't fit into her world, add an ex- finance into the mix and the nagging feeling his wifey is not fully committed - uh what a surprise - he's going to test his boundaries. push things and make sure she knows to whom she belongs. I'm your husband now. Things are going to change. Lorelai doesn't like changes and she definitely doesn't like being pushed into a corner or told what to do and what not.

little_earthquake · 12-06-2006, 05:15 PM

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I agree little_earthquake what was the point of the stuff Luke said in ep 7.02 if we have yet to see it on screen. But the last thing I wanted was Lorelai going into the diner like nothing had changed. Or months later we get a diner scene like she had been going there and we just didn't see it on screen.

the thing is I wouldnt mind if she was okay with seeing luke. But she avoided him in 7.05. where was the point then when its now okay with her and luke. you know there should have been at least some talking. but NOTHING!!!!

7.08 okay! it was an emerency. there was no room for that kind of talk. BUT if she's now okay with him then they should talk and it should be weird. and she should avoid the diner if she doenst wanna have that weirdness BUT she seems fine. so she could visit the diner.

the writing is bad. and I hate it.

SP talked about tension they wanna use again by splitting them up but to let them act like nothing happened wont bring this kind of tension!

I'm really upset how they show the LL scenes. there are two opportunities.

first: let them not talk. have a weirdness. have some kind of tension and let them talk later when LC are over and let them find their friendship again. then love.

second: let them act normal. let them have their talk. their banter. let her visit the diner. let her find her way back to the man she's in love with by realizing that it was her best friend luke she fell in love with.

BUT let her not act like nothing happened! let her not act like nothing matters they had before and still avoid the diner. bad writing!!!

MickeyJr3000 · 12-06-2006, 05:18 PM

To remember something about the house issue:

Lorelai agreed to the Twickham house. She just didn't want to get rid of the CS (she wanted to keep it as a recording studio). So, techinically, she compromised with Luke on that. For sure. It was only when Luke read her reaction to getting rid of the CS, that he understood that she really really loves the house and then he took the initiative to start the remodel. So he compromised too. Episode 6.02 was showing that a huge deal...compromising, arguing and resolving conflict ("You're right. You ARE in the middle")
Oh, and 6.22: "And I didn't get the purple wallpaper, because you didn't like the purple wallpaper, and if it's between you and the purple wallpaper I pick you, I pick you!" --She liked the purple wallpaper but compromised that.

I think it's all about Lorelai just coming to the realizations that she needs to get to, figure out what went wrong in the L/L relationship that caused them to crumble so badly. It's not because they can't compromise, in fact, they can. It's because they stink at communicating when they need to communicate...during all season 6, each of them, despite being together, were in their own individual bubbles. Lorelai in hers moping about her rift with Rory. Luke in his trying to figure out this LLD stuff. Then Lorelai, driven by her insecurities, going back into hers where she got more and more depressed.

lilmelodie · 12-06-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by iamsher (View Post)

Lorelai may be sad that Rory is not there for Christmas but I hope she gets used to that. If Rory plans on being an overseas correspondent, she may not always be home for the holidays.

It's just something new to get used to. I don't think I know any mom that wouldn't be a little sad that their kid isn't home for Christmas. It's all just part of the empty nest thing.

lemon tart · 12-06-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cappuccino (View Post)

How are they exactly the same ? She is so freaking stubborn right now because she is NOT in that relationship 100 %. Stubborn about moving, kids and the wedding thing I mean. Another kid with Chris - no way. After that look from her and the what ?! With their past no way is she going to trust him in that department anymore. That's why she is so stubborn about that topic.
Moving - she likes her house. She loves her house. She is not going to give that up so easily. She worked hard for it. It meant everything to her to finally move out of the shed and into a real home. She could finally give her daughter a real home and herself. She let Luke in - I mean hello they remodeled it. Luke became a part of it. The CS was his too in a way. I think she still clings to it even more is because there is still Luke in it. Luke is in every corner of that house. She might have thrown everything out that reminded her of Luke but she couldn't get rid of everything. Again she's not in that marriage so she doesn't want to move or change things.
The same goes for the wedding. She doesn't want that stupid high class, kissing everybody's rich a$$ party Emily wants to throw for her. That's not her. She already said yes and her face in FT said everything about how sincere she was about it.

She's not in it which means she plays it cool and thinks she can get away with it because she thinks Chris will take everything as it comes like she does. Thing just is little Prince Charming doesn't fit into her world, add an ex- finance into the mix and the nagging feeling his wifey is not fully committed - uh what a surprise - he's going to test his boundaries. push things and make sure she knows to whom she belongs. I'm your husband now. Things are going to change. Lorelai doesn't like changes.

She's changing Rory's room, to better accomidate Gigi, just like she did the remodel to better acomidate Luke. Neither time though does she want to do the practical thing and move to a new house. Chris nor Luke matter. Just Lorelai.

The Rory & April situations were ||ed in that she didn't let Luke help with Rory. He took his cues from her and didn't let her help with April. He was okay with is, Rory's grown. Lorelai wasn't, since April would become part of their family.

Lorelai did a wedding all by herself for Luke, no input. Here she's acting like a jackass because she doesn't want what Emily wants. Perhaps if she actively participated the party might be something she would better enjoy. But she's not giving anyone a chance, she's just sucking her thumb. Chris thinks vows might be nice, in light of Rory, Emily & Richard's obvious hurt at not being included. She's not willing to even really think about it.

Obviously she was neither in the original engagement with Luke any more than she's in this marriage with Chris.

While I agree it will be Chris that walks away because Lorelai isn't fully committed, she still hasn't learned and has no clue how to be committed to ANYONE, Luke or Chris, that isn't Rory. It goes all the way back to S2 with Max and not wanting to let him into her life. Lorelai has no clue how to share or compromise with anyone. Things were fine with Luke as long as he went along with what she wanted. Once he stopped, in the form of April, things went to hell.

Chris is very hamhandedly -- he's still Chris -- trying to have an adult give-&-take relationship with her, and she's unable to have that. Thus far, with anyone.

marykateo · 12-06-2006, 05:27 PM

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Lorelai may be sad that Rory is not there for Christmas but I hope she gets used to that. If Rory plans on being an overseas correspondent, she may not always be home for the holidays.

well i think most mothers would be sad to spend christmas without their daughter for the first time .. and especially lorelai because of the tight bond she USED to have with rory .. lately rory has cared much more for logan instead of lorelai (not a bad thing since she is growing up obviously..but still really sad to me) .. it would upset me if lorelai wasnt sad
i just hope rory is at least sad a little..

lancer1993 · 12-06-2006, 05:30 PM

So the "counting soaps" was Lorelai's way of avoiding Chris in-case he felt romantic and wanted to knock her up!

Yeah love the anvil Emily

Shu · 12-06-2006, 05:34 PM

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But she's not giving anyone a chance, she's just sucking her thumb

hey thats all that i have been saying all along...

ROCK A BYE LORELAI
ROCK A BAYE LORELAI

THE CRADLE WILL ROCK

AND DOWN WILL COME LORELAI CRADLE AND ALL

lancer1993 · 12-06-2006, 05:39 PM

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And her response: "Come here so I can kiss you...all of you!"

Guy's will do anything for that

MickeyJr3000 · 12-06-2006, 05:41 PM

To Lemon's post :

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She's changing Rory's room, to better accomidate Gigi, just like she did the remodel to better acomidate Luke. Neither time though does she want to do the practical thing and move to a new house. Chris nor Luke matter. Just Lorelai.

I feel like reminding everyone who seemingly forgot. Lorelai didn't decide to remodel the house. Luke decided to remodel it. At the time, Lorelai had agreed to move to the Twickham house but hesitated to sell or rent out the CS...she's attached to the house. But she didn't make Luke agree to live in the CS. He decided that on his own, out of a loving gesture. And her response: "Come here so I can kiss you...all of you!"

Shu · 12-06-2006, 05:46 PM

mickey you have mentioned it twice....but luke only did the remodel cause lorelai didn't want to move....she practically harassed him into it...she did her eternal pout and five hundred million reasons why she didn't want to move....i think the point stands....lorelai thinks its the mans responsibility to accomodate her....not vice versa...

the april thing was not her accommodating luke...it was her keeping her trap shut...thats not how to compromise in a relationship...but i think she learned that at home..i think lorelai grew up believeing either she acts out....or must keep her mouth shut...the gilmore's strike me as a "my way or the highway type people" and lorelai imo is no different.

NewHaven2005 · 12-06-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lancer1993 (View Post)

OMG I love this.

"Marriage is serious business, Lorelai, and if you don't take this very seriously, then this whole thing could fall apart faster than you could possibly imagine. And he'll be gone, and you'll be alone again. A ring is no guarantee."

Yep in 3 more eps!

right, i have the feeling that is exactly what she's going for: she tries to ruin the whole thing on purpose. it's a little immature...but still...she got bribed into that marriage. now she has to find a way out of it ;0)

marykateo · 12-06-2006, 05:50 PM

i have to disagree.. lorelai WOULD have moved to the twickham house for luke..and she WOULD have moved with chris... the only reason she didnt was because both guys are in love with her and they can see that she loves her house so they decided to stay there... but lorelai never said NO to either house.. she was just sad to leave the place she called home for 20 years ..i dont think that is being selfish

MickeyJr3000 · 12-06-2006, 05:53 PM

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mickey you have mentioned it twice....but luke only did the remodel cause lorelai didn't want to move....she practically harassed him into it...she did her eternal pout and five hundred million reasons why she didn't want to move....

She agreed to move out of it. She just didn't want to give it up.
I think she would have easily agreed to move into the Twickham house and keep the CS as her 'old house' that she keeps all her useless junk in. It would sit there, collecting dust all day. Or make it her 'second' bed and breakfast. Or use it a space where she can keep all her sewing stuff...she could do all her hobbies in there, use it for Halloween parties, trips to Asia...

Luke still has that bachelor pad of his...mind you he could logistically
A) Turn it back into an office like it used to be
B) Make it an extra office/spare bedroom for when Jess comes to visit, you know, so he doesn't have to deal with crying babies in the middle of the night at the Twickham house with L/L babies.

Captain Hawkeye · 12-06-2006, 05:59 PM

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How are they exactly the same ? She is so freaking stubborn right now because she is NOT in that relationship 100 %. Stubborn about moving, kids and the wedding thing I mean. Another kid with Chris - no way. After that look from her and the what ?! With their past no way is she going to trust him in that department anymore. That's why she is so stubborn about that topic.
Moving - she likes her house. She loves her house. She is not going to give that up so easily. She worked hard for it. It meant everything to her to finally move out of the shed and into a real home. She could finally give her daughter a real home and herself. She let Luke in - I mean hello they remodeled it. Luke became a part of it. The CS was his too in a way. I think she still clings to it even more is because there is still Luke in it. Luke is in every corner of that house. She might have thrown everything out that reminded her of Luke but she couldn't get rid of everything. Again she's not in that marriage so she doesn't want to move or change things.
The same goes for the wedding. She doesn't want that stupid high class, kissing everybody's rich a$$ party Emily wants to throw for her. That's not her. She already said yes and her face in FT said everything about how sincere she was about it.

The house: She never refused to move for Chris--she just refused to move OUT of STARS HOLLOW. If Chris had brought the Twickham house--or any house in SH--her reaction probably would have been the same as with Luke: passive-aggressive. She never objects to moving with Chris--just leaving SH. And it would be interesting to see how different her response to Luke would have been if Luke needed a place for April to stay.

The Wedding: Oh yeah, she compromised to high heaven with Luke. She set the date, the place, the menu, the dress & his tux. She later insisted that it all be changed (now, Maryland, etc) or the engagement had to be off.

IMO her famous quote showed how much she was NOT willing to compromise even with Luke:

LORELAI: You're gonna have to figure out how April fits into our lives, not the other way around.
LUKE: I'm trying.
LORELAI: Well, try married!

And other goodies from Partings:
LORELAI: Because I'm going crazy here. I made a commitment to you, and I need to make it happen.

LORELAI: No! I'm not waiting! It's now or never!

She may love Luke more than she does Chris, but she's not willing to compromise for him either